Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[frullens]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

We did this already

1, Melbourne - Munster, confident half
2, Penrith - Cleary and Romey, confident halves
3, Parramatta, Moses - Confident half
4, South's- Walker and Josh, confident halves

Look at the bottom teams...

Broncos, none
Dogs, none

Coincidence?
I think not...

Winning teams always have confident, talkative leaders in their important positions.

I think Brooks is one of the few players trying his guts out. I've seen a lot of improvement this year. I really like brooks, want him in the team.

But after the weekends disguisting display, I just feel we need someone at 7 who takes control of the team. Who after the first or 2nd try, pulls the players in, gives them a rev up and says follow me.

Brooks isn't that player.

From what I've seen Hastings is that player. So
I'd like to see Hastings at 7 next year.

I would love to see Brooks running at 6.

I'd like to see Deouhi get his hands on the ball more and still have a licence to kick. If that's at centre, lock or going to 6.

No 7 would have helped change the game on Saturday, we were down 30-0 by the time we got the ball.

I'm talking about who is taking charge when the team is behind the posts at 10-nil down.

Did you see Foran barking at the team on the weekend?

 

[BAGNF05]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

Yeah he is a bit awkward too I guess, I see him change his mind a lot which stunts the play when on the attack. I’d like to see him give early ball or try and run over someone, just simplify it.


You just described why he should be centre.

And I think this would have played into Madges decision but I’d give him another crack at some point and give him instructions to be more selfish if the early ball is not on.


I dont think Doueihi is hopeless at 6 and Im sure he will get another go there, but I think for now (IMO the rest of the season particularly if we have a mathematical chance at the 8) he is better at centre than 6 and Mbye is better for the team at 6.

The other thing that no one is considering in this discussion of whether AD should be at 6, are centres are RUBBISH and Mbye at 6 strengthens one of our centre spots.

Right we’ve worked out how we score a few more points. Now how do we stop 66 ?


Are you making the case that Doueihi is a good defender at 6?

IMO Mbye & Doueihi defence are on a par.

Nah I think they’re both just ok in defence but I believe it’s primarily a lack of aggression and desire in the key positions in the back row and at hooker. No mongrel. I’ve done that to death on here though so I won’t go into it again.

 

[Nelson]

Finucane isn't asking for $800k anymore according to the paper.

What's he asking?

No idea, but they said he lowered his price and is happy to take a short contract too.

he takes less money he will stay at melbourne, and every sane person in his position would.

tpj would be immense for us. hopefully joe o gets in his ear and the thought of leading the next generation of tigers to more wins than losses is appealing

Guess it depends on how much Melbourne can offer but definitely wouldn't be surprised to see him retire there. Wouldn't mind signing TPJ at all

I hope he wants a challenge.
And comes to the tigers.
As well as TPJ.

Hopefully they see the potential and what they can achieve with us and for us.

i'm not huge on signing finucane (age and price bracket), but if he ended here it wouldn't be the worst....

I'm not 100% sure he's that healthy either...

Last thing we need is a signing where we're expecting so much and he's as good as Josh Reynolds.

He's always taped up and getting his head smashed in... surely we'd do a medical first.

Thats my problem with Finnucane...been smashed for a decade or more and worn out

Did you watch Paul Gallen fight the best heavyweight in Australia at age 39? Toughness ages well.

I saw him be a punching bag. Our team is enough of a punching bag as is, we don't need more punching bags!

 

[BAGNF05]

Finucane isn't asking for $800k anymore according to the paper.

What's he asking?

No idea, but they said he lowered his price and is happy to take a short contract too.

he takes less money he will stay at melbourne, and every sane person in his position would.

tpj would be immense for us. hopefully joe o gets in his ear and the thought of leading the next generation of tigers to more wins than losses is appealing

Guess it depends on how much Melbourne can offer but definitely wouldn't be surprised to see him retire there. Wouldn't mind signing TPJ at all

I hope he wants a challenge.
And comes to the tigers.
As well as TPJ.

Hopefully they see the potential and what they can achieve with us and for us.

i'm not huge on signing finucane (age and price bracket), but if he ended here it wouldn't be the worst....

I'm not 100% sure he's that healthy either...

Last thing we need is a signing where we're expecting so much and he's as good as Josh Reynolds.

He's always taped up and getting his head smashed in... surely we'd do a medical first.

Thats my problem with Finnucane...been smashed for a decade or more and worn out

Did you watch Paul Gallen fight the best heavyweight in Australia at age 39? Toughness ages well.

I saw him be a punching bag. Our team is enough of a punching bag as is, we don't need more punching bags!

I think that’s selling him short

 

[cochise]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

We did this already

1, Melbourne - Munster, confident half
2, Penrith - Cleary and Romey, confident halves
3, Parramatta, Moses - Confident half
4, South's- Walker and Josh, confident halves

Look at the bottom teams...

Broncos, none
Dogs, none

Coincidence?
I think not...

Winning teams always have confident, talkative leaders in their important positions.

I think Brooks is one of the few players trying his guts out. I've seen a lot of improvement this year. I really like brooks, want him in the team.

But after the weekends disguisting display, I just feel we need someone at 7 who takes control of the team. Who after the first or 2nd try, pulls the players in, gives them a rev up and says follow me.

Brooks isn't that player.

From what I've seen Hastings is that player. So
I'd like to see Hastings at 7 next year.

I would love to see Brooks running at 6.

I'd like to see Deouhi get his hands on the ball more and still have a licence to kick. If that's at centre, lock or going to 6.

No 7 would have helped change the game on Saturday, we were down 30-0 by the time we got the ball.

I'm talking about who is taking charge when the team is behind the posts at 10-nil down.

Did you see Foran barking at the team on the weekend?

That doesn't need to be your half though

 

[tee95]

This might be a dumb idea, feel free to let me know but what if we played Brooks at 6 and Adam at 7? I’m not too concerned about the lack of ball from him to our backs at this point, might help with our error rate 😂 with any luck Adams time in the centre’s might give him a new angle on things all jokes aside 🤞

 

[yeahcaz]

Still wouldn’t be surprised to see Hastings play 13 next season. Any team that is serious has a 13 with at least some ball playing, some with serious ball playing. Joe O isn’t that, seyfarth has shown glimpses but id say Hastings is ideal for the modern day.

If that does happen, would like for us to target a leader at 7 and play Brooks at 6 if he has to be there.

 

[sleeve]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

We did this already

1, Melbourne - Munster, confident half
2, Penrith - Cleary and Romey, confident halves
3, Parramatta, Moses - Confident half
4, South's- Walker and Josh, confident halves

Look at the bottom teams...

Broncos, none
Dogs, none

Coincidence?
I think not...

Winning teams always have confident, talkative leaders in their important positions.

I think Brooks is one of the few players trying his guts out. I've seen a lot of improvement this year. I really like brooks, want him in the team.

But after the weekends disguisting display, I just feel we need someone at 7 who takes control of the team. Who after the first or 2nd try, pulls the players in, gives them a rev up and says follow me.

Brooks isn't that player.

From what I've seen Hastings is that player. So
I'd like to see Hastings at 7 next year.

I would love to see Brooks running at 6.

I'd like to see Deouhi get his hands on the ball more and still have a licence to kick. If that's at centre, lock or going to 6.

No 7 would have helped change the game on Saturday, we were down 30-0 by the time we got the ball.

I'm talking about who is taking charge when the team is behind the posts at 10-nil down.

Did you see Foran barking at the team on the weekend?

Foran is a 6

 

[twentyforty]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

We did this already

1, Melbourne - Munster, confident half
2, Penrith - Cleary and Romey, confident halves
3, Parramatta, Moses - Confident half
4, South's- Walker and Josh, confident halves

Look at the bottom teams...

Broncos, none
Dogs, none

Coincidence?
I think not...

Winning teams always have confident, talkative leaders in their important positions.

I think Brooks is one of the few players trying his guts out. I've seen a lot of improvement this year. I really like brooks, want him in the team.

But after the weekends disguisting display, I just feel we need someone at 7 who takes control of the team. Who after the first or 2nd try, pulls the players in, gives them a rev up and says follow me.

Brooks isn't that player.

From what I've seen Hastings is that player. So
I'd like to see Hastings at 7 next year.

I would love to see Brooks running at 6.

I'd like to see Deouhi get his hands on the ball more and still have a licence to kick. If that's at centre, lock or going to 6.

No 7 would have helped change the game on Saturday, we were down 30-0 by the time we got the ball.


Brooks has seriously been our best player for about 6 weeks now.

If we lose Brooks, people will really appreciate quickly how much defence he does.

Brooks is without doubt the best footballer in the team. It must be so frustrating at times for him to see the missed opportunities unfolding, but he just bites his lip and says nothing. And this is what happens when he should be less serious and vocalise the event pre and post. If he gets that going on the park then his leadership qualities will go to another level imo.

 

[sleeve]

Can someone with the skills i don't possess, please tell us the players we have brought from Melbourne, and the success rate.?

 

[sleeve]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

We did this already

1, Melbourne - Munster, confident half
2, Penrith - Cleary and Romey, confident halves
3, Parramatta, Moses - Confident half
4, South's- Walker and Josh, confident halves

Look at the bottom teams...

Broncos, none
Dogs, none

Coincidence?
I think not...

Winning teams always have confident, talkative leaders in their important positions.

I think Brooks is one of the few players trying his guts out. I've seen a lot of improvement this year. I really like brooks, want him in the team.

But after the weekends disguisting display, I just feel we need someone at 7 who takes control of the team. Who after the first or 2nd try, pulls the players in, gives them a rev up and says follow me.

Brooks isn't that player.

From what I've seen Hastings is that player. So
I'd like to see Hastings at 7 next year.

I would love to see Brooks running at 6.

I'd like to see Deouhi get his hands on the ball more and still have a licence to kick. If that's at centre, lock or going to 6.

No 7 would have helped change the game on Saturday, we were down 30-0 by the time we got the ball.


Brooks has seriously been our best player for about 6 weeks now.

If we lose Brooks, people will really appreciate quickly how much defence he does.

Brooks is without doubt the best footballer in the team. It must be so frustrating at times for him to see the missed opportunities unfolding, but he just bites his lip and says nothing. And this is what happens when he should be less serious and vocalise the event pre and post. If he gets that going on the park then his leadership qualities will go to another level imo.

Great post.

 

[twentyforty]

Can someone with the skills i don't possess, please tell us the players we have brought from Melbourne, and the success rate.?

There has only been about 6 and to my mind only 1 of them has had success at WT. Harry Grant.
I might add, his circumstances were different weren’t they.

 

[tony soprano]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

We did this already

1, Melbourne - Munster, confident half
2, Penrith - Cleary and Romey, confident halves
3, Parramatta, Moses - Confident half
4, South's- Walker and Josh, confident halves

Look at the bottom teams...

Broncos, none
Dogs, none

Coincidence?
I think not...

Winning teams always have confident, talkative leaders in their important positions.

I think Brooks is one of the few players trying his guts out. I've seen a lot of improvement this year. I really like brooks, want him in the team.

But after the weekends disguisting display, I just feel we need someone at 7 who takes control of the team. Who after the first or 2nd try, pulls the players in, gives them a rev up and says follow me.

Brooks isn't that player.

From what I've seen Hastings is that player. So
I'd like to see Hastings at 7 next year.

I would love to see Brooks running at 6.

I'd like to see Deouhi get his hands on the ball more and still have a licence to kick. If that's at centre, lock or going to 6.

No 7 would have helped change the game on Saturday, we were down 30-0 by the time we got the ball.


Brooks has seriously been our best player for about 6 weeks now.

If we lose Brooks, people will really appreciate quickly how much defence he does.

Brooks is without doubt the best footballer in the team. It must be so frustrating at times for him to see the missed opportunities unfolding, but he just bites his lip and says nothing. And this is what happens when he should be less serious and vocalise the event pre and post. If he gets that going on the park then his leadership qualities will go to another level imo.

Brooks has become too predictable doing same plays over the past 5 years teams must have him figured out. They need to get some coaches in, like parra got johns in to help Mitch Moses game. Why hasn’t this been done at our club? Is it Madge has issues delegating.

 

[twentyforty]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

We did this already

1, Melbourne - Munster, confident half
2, Penrith - Cleary and Romey, confident halves
3, Parramatta, Moses - Confident half
4, South's- Walker and Josh, confident halves

Look at the bottom teams...

Broncos, none
Dogs, none

Coincidence?
I think not...

Winning teams always have confident, talkative leaders in their important positions.

I think Brooks is one of the few players trying his guts out. I've seen a lot of improvement this year. I really like brooks, want him in the team.

But after the weekends disguisting display, I just feel we need someone at 7 who takes control of the team. Who after the first or 2nd try, pulls the players in, gives them a rev up and says follow me.

Brooks isn't that player.

From what I've seen Hastings is that player. So
I'd like to see Hastings at 7 next year.

I would love to see Brooks running at 6.

I'd like to see Deouhi get his hands on the ball more and still have a licence to kick. If that's at centre, lock or going to 6.

No 7 would have helped change the game on Saturday, we were down 30-0 by the time we got the ball.


Brooks has seriously been our best player for about 6 weeks now.

If we lose Brooks, people will really appreciate quickly how much defence he does.

Brooks is without doubt the best footballer in the team. It must be so frustrating at times for him to see the missed opportunities unfolding, but he just bites his lip and says nothing. And this is what happens when he should be less serious and vocalise the event pre and post. If he gets that going on the park then his leadership qualities will go to another level imo.

Brooks has become too predictable doing same plays over the past 5 years teams must have him figured out. They need to get some coaches in, like parra got johns in to help Mitch Moses game. Why hasn’t this been done at our club? Is it Madge has issues delegating.

I don’t know Tony, if Madge has trouble delegating responsibility or even tasks? I agree with your view that Brooks has become predicable, the whole team is predictable. I think it’s because of their inexperience? Sometimes predictability can work in their favour and open opportunities that otherwise wouldn’t exist? Just to get an accurate gauge on what’s going on I wouldn’t mind seeing the outcome of a Madge extension to the Jack Gibson move, whereby Madge hands over the team to his Captain 20 minutes before kickoff.

 

[ConePuncher]

I see people calling for Hastings to be #13, do we know he has the defense to hold the middle? Our attack is okay at the moment, it's our defence that needs re-enforcement.

I would move Brooks to #6 as a runner, and have Hastings ordering the troops at #7. Doueihi and Gildart at #3 and #4, then Noffa, Maumalo, and Laurie in their respective positions.

Do we have any updates on TPJ? Last week there were reports he was set to sign immediately, the delay has me wondering if we've got him or not.

 

[Tcat]

I see people calling for Hastings to be #13, do we know he has the defense to hold the middle? Our attack is okay at the moment, it's our defence that needs re-enforcement.

I would move Brooks to #6 as a runner, and have Hastings ordering the troops at #7. Doueihi and Gildart at #3 and #4, then Noffa, Maumalo, and Laurie in their respective positions.

Do we have any updates on TPJ? Last week there were reports he was set to sign immediately, the delay has me wondering if we've got him or not.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it ends up mate.

 

[GCfan]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

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I think some people are too afraid to admit Brooks has failed us for so long, no matter who's outside Jim in the halves.


I think people who have already decided that Brooks is the problem have invented a narrative that Doueihi was moved from 6 because his "dominant" nature overplayed Brooks. Its a fabrication.

Doueihi was moved from 6 because he stagnates our attack and takes wrong options.

Got kick happy against Parra I think

I would like to see some more of those floating bombs again though. He can kick me from centre can’t he??

 

[clontarfkid]

I see people calling for Hastings to be #13, do we know he has the defense to hold the middle? Our attack is okay at the moment, it's our defence that needs re-enforcement.

I would move Brooks to #6 as a runner, and have Hastings ordering the troops at #7. Doueihi and Gildart at #3 and #4, then Noffa, Maumalo, and Laurie in their respective positions.

Do we have any updates on TPJ? Last week there were reports he was set to sign immediately, the delay has me wondering if we've got him or not.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it ends up mate.

Thats about the best weve got atm...but I have grave reservations about strike and speed in the three quarters,and defence of the fullback.
We still need more options out wide

 

[hsvjones]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

Because we have to do something... We have waited 10 + Years and if we were to get him we will be getting others.

Our forwards are good and getting better. We need two quality outside backs and a decent partner for Brooks. Honestly, what do you think Finucane is going to do for us? Make 65 tackles on the left edge, over rule the refs bad calls and then run 360 metres for 6 tries?

He would bring the number 1 thing we lack - LEADERSHIP.. On and off the field.
Agree we do have some great young forwards but there current leadership is from Packer and hate to say it but Tamou.. If you think they are the best leaders for these guys moving forward we are in for a lot more pain IMO.