Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Deleted member 3518]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

Madges passion and determination to make this club successful is second to none. His emotion after each loss is hard to watch. It looks like someone’ has died. I love that about him and would wish nothing more then for him to be the man that could take us back to finals and to being a force. Unfortunately I think the game has moved past him and he can’t keep up in today as game. Our tactics aren’t working, and the players are responding to him or getting better under him. Even as a madge supporter, I think we need a change as we finally have a direction of investing in juniors and having a squad of players such as Laurie, douhei, stefano, blore, simpkin who can be anything. Someone like a John Morris (who understands the mentality of these young players )overseen by Tim sheens has to be the answer.

Yea , but I don’t think that’s ? true . What you don’t think wayno has lost a step or too ? Or even Bellamy . Even Dessy had a trip in the wilderness for 4-5 years . It’s all about support staff in 2021. The reason the top clubs , have thier assistants poached is cause they’re smart guys . I’m not saying the guys here are no good , I’m saying , that maybe there’s a voice that could be brought into the room to better get the message across . But that person might be horrendous at the overarching stress of being an NRL head coach .
My pick , is someone like dean pay. The guy can galvanise a team , and get them to work for each other . Or John Morris .
This is the key . Most of the good coaches have figured out , that it’s not thier job to work on defensive structures , or work on attacking set plays . But rather picking the right team , in the right positions , figuring out where the holes in those plays are , and organising the whole team to move in one direction.
Madge should not be the defensive coach , not the attacking coach . He should be sitting in the grandstands of Concord ( when it’s rebuilt ) watching the whole thing unfold.

We have moved to a league , where the head coaches job is too big to be organising structures and plays on the field . That’s up to the defensive and offensive coordinators. And if they can’t do it , we have to find guys who can . And thier reward for being so good ? They get to sit in a grandstand one day . Or they’re just an amazing coordinator .

 

[twentyforty]

I have to agree with Johns on this point in referring to a no go on Finucane..
“Johns said the Tigers are better off searching for 'the next Dale Finucane' who can develop at the club as they rebuild.
"Go find the Dale Finucane who is 19, 20, 21. And they're out there," he said.“

Do you not think we are doing this? But in the mean time, we need to look at now as well?

We are doing this in a hurry because there is no other way and that’s why we have to accept losing a few games and people who realise this don’t call for the coach or the halfback to be sacked after each loss. ?

 

[sleeve]

Mulitalo ruled out of Maroons side due to ineligibility.

After the Tony Carrol fiasco, the Inglis fiasco , and of course the greatest con the Grasshoper as a referee fiasco, they have finally been made to follow the rules.

 

[weststigerman]

Mulitalo ruled out of Maroons side due to ineligibility.

After the Tony Carrol fiasco, the Inglis fiasco , and of course the greatest con the Grasshoper as a referee fiasco, they have finally been made to follow the rules.

Are we signing Mulitalo?

 

[sleeve]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

Madges passion and determination to make this club successful is second to none. His emotion after each loss is hard to watch. It looks like someone’ has died. I love that about him and would wish nothing more then for him to be the man that could take us back to finals and to being a force. Unfortunately I think the game has moved past him and he can’t keep up in today as game. Our tactics aren’t working, and the players are responding to him or getting better under him. Even as a madge supporter, I think we need a change as we finally have a direction of investing in juniors and having a squad of players such as Laurie, douhei, stefano, blore, simpkin who can be anything. Someone like a John Morris (who understands the mentality of these young players )overseen by Tim sheens has to be the answer.

Yea , but I don’t think that’s ? true . What you don’t think wayno has lost a step or too ? Or even Bellamy . Even Dessy had a trip in the wilderness for 4-5 years . It’s all about support staff in 2021. The reason the top clubs , have thier assistants poached is cause they’re smart guys . I’m not saying the guys here are no good , I’m saying , that maybe there’s a voice that could be brought into the room to better get the message across . But that person might be horrendous at the overarching stress of being an NRL head coach .
My pick , is someone like dean pay. The guy can galvanise a team , and get them to work for each other . Or John Morris .
This is the key . Most of the good coaches have figured out , that it’s not thier job to work on defensive structures , or work on attacking set plays . But rather picking the right team , in the right positions , figuring out where the holes in those plays are , and organising the whole team to move in one direction.
Madge should not be the defensive coach , not the attacking coach . He should be sitting in the grandstands of Concord ( when it’s rebuilt ) watching the whole thing unfold.

We have moved to a league , where the head coaches job is too big to be organising structures and plays on the field . That’s up to the defensive and offensive coordinators. And if they can’t do it , we have to find guys who can . And thier reward for being so good ? They get to sit in a grandstand one day . Or they’re just an amazing coordinator .

Avery smart post.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Mulitalo ruled out of Maroons side due to ineligibility.

After the Tony Carrol fiasco, the Inglis fiasco , and of course the greatest con the Grasshoper as a referee fiasco, they have finally been made to follow the rules.

That sux for mulitalo though . For me if he’s represented them at young age , that should the end of it .
What so now he can only represent NZ ? What if he identifies as an Aussie ? He’s already worn the maroon . It’s the same with Luke Keary . He should have always been a maroon , because that’s who he wanted to play for . Because he’s competitive, he will do a job for us in the future , but why make him ?

The issue with Inglis , Folau , etc . Is that they were told NSW were a bunch of racists who will never look after the boys . We can thank Tony Mundine for that nugget of wisdom. So they all jumped ship . Lattrell was taking about it a week ago , that it wasn’t cool for the young boys to wear nsw blue. And he wanted to change that . In the end , we need guys who wear the jersey with pride , and vise versa . If that means a 14 year old kid , as apprised to a 13 year old kid , I don’t see the difference . It’s a bloody technicality. Seems a bit crass to enforce it to me .

 

[tigger19]

Agree need a defensive coach who’s sole focus is defensive results. Who can have an influence on team selection and make players accountable , Madge has a reluctance to drop some players while others who don’t deserve it get dropped. Team selection, bench use, and playing guys out of position has been terrible.

 

[tee95]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

Madges passion and determination to make this club successful is second to none. His emotion after each loss is hard to watch. It looks like someone’ has died. I love that about him and would wish nothing more then for him to be the man that could take us back to finals and to being a force. Unfortunately I think the game has moved past him and he can’t keep up in today as game. Our tactics aren’t working, and the players are responding to him or getting better under him. Even as a madge supporter, I think we need a change as we finally have a direction of investing in juniors and having a squad of players such as Laurie, douhei, stefano, blore, simpkin who can be anything. Someone like a John Morris (who understands the mentality of these young players )overseen by Tim sheens has to be the answer.

Yea , but I don’t think that’s ? true . What you don’t think wayno has lost a step or too ? Or even Bellamy . Even Dessy had a trip in the wilderness for 4-5 years . It’s all about support staff in 2021. The reason the top clubs , have thier assistants poached is cause they’re smart guys . I’m not saying the guys here are no good , I’m saying , that maybe there’s a voice that could be brought into the room to better get the message across . But that person might be horrendous at the overarching stress of being an NRL head coach .
My pick , is someone like dean pay. The guy can galvanise a team , and get them to work for each other . Or John Morris .
This is the key . Most of the good coaches have figured out , that it’s not thier job to work on defensive structures , or work on attacking set plays . But rather picking the right team , in the right positions , figuring out where the holes in those plays are , and organising the whole team to move in one direction.
Madge should not be the defensive coach , not the attacking coach . He should be sitting in the grandstands of Concord ( when it’s rebuilt ) watching the whole thing unfold.

We have moved to a league , where the head coaches job is too big to be organising structures and plays on the field . That’s up to the defensive and offensive coordinators. And if they can’t do it , we have to find guys who can . And thier reward for being so good ? They get to sit in a grandstand one day . Or they’re just an amazing coordinator .

I believe Shane Millard is our defensive coach, can anyone else confirm?

 

[tigger19]

The storm overpower teams in the first 20 minutes. They do this through game speed, quick play the balls, and clinical backline movements.The game plan needs to be to battle hard for the first 20, make your tackles, scrap for everything with precision kicks and kick chase.
Tigers were on the back foot from the start, missing tackles across the field and not playing smart football. The Talau dropped ball coming from the in goal was the wrong play, he was always going to get smashed, the defence was set.

 

[tony soprano]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

Madges passion and determination to make this club successful is second to none. His emotion after each loss is hard to watch. It looks like someone’ has died. I love that about him and would wish nothing more then for him to be the man that could take us back to finals and to being a force. Unfortunately I think the game has moved past him and he can’t keep up in todays game. Our tactics aren’t working, and the players arent responding to him or getting better under him. Even as a madge supporter, I think we need a change as we finally have a direction of investing in juniors and having a squad of players such as Laurie, douhei, stefano, blore, simpkin who can be anything. Someone like a John Morris (who understands the mentality of these young players )overseen by Tim sheens has to be the answer.

Totally agree. Think the game has gone back to a sheens style team.

 

[Krammy]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

Madges passion and determination to make this club successful is second to none. His emotion after each loss is hard to watch. It looks like someone’ has died. I love that about him and would wish nothing more then for him to be the man that could take us back to finals and to being a force. Unfortunately I think the game has moved past him and he can’t keep up in todays game. Our tactics aren’t working, and the players arent responding to him or getting better under him. Even as a madge supporter, I think we need a change as we finally have a direction of investing in juniors and having a squad of players such as Laurie, douhei, stefano, blore, simpkin who can be anything. Someone like a John Morris (who understands the mentality of these young players )overseen by Tim sheens has to be the answer.

Totally agree. Think the game has gone back to a sheens style team.

I have thought the same thing ever since the rule changes.

 

[Russell]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

Tim sheens. Maguire can’t build a team from ground up.

How do you know that?

My conclusion is drawn based on his past five seasons coaching.

I thought he was rebuilding, literally from the ground up?

Sheens (or who ever coaches) will obviously push to get the side they want, so that will mean another 5 years to get the side up to speed? Can’t see it happening.

I wouldn't appoint Sheens but he won the comp in his 2nd year at the club.

He can still coach. Got a bunch of farmers to beat England last night.

Thanx for that - saves me watching!

 

[avocadoontoast]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

Tim sheens. Maguire can’t build a team from ground up.

How do you know that?

My conclusion is drawn based on his past five seasons coaching.

I thought he was rebuilding, literally from the ground up?

Sheens (or who ever coaches) will obviously push to get the side they want, so that will mean another 5 years to get the side up to speed? Can’t see it happening.

I wouldn't appoint Sheens but he won the comp in his 2nd year at the club.

He can still coach. Got a bunch of farmers to beat England last night.

Thanx for that - saves me watching!

Well it was on more than 24 hours ago.

 

[TigerWest]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

Tim sheens. Maguire can’t build a team from ground up.

How do you know that?

My conclusion is drawn based on his past five seasons coaching.

I thought he was rebuilding, literally from the ground up?

Sheens (or who ever coaches) will obviously push to get the side they want, so that will mean another 5 years to get the side up to speed? Can’t see it happening.

I wouldn't appoint Sheens but he won the comp in his 2nd year at the club.

He can still coach. Got a bunch of farmers to beat England last night.

“A bunch of farmers” interesting way to describe the team and our new half?
But don’t let facts get in the way though, will you.?

 

[earl]

The storm overpower teams in the first 20 minutes. They do this through game speed, quick play the balls, and clinical backline movements.The game plan needs to be to battle hard for the first 20, make your tackles, scrap for everything with precision kicks and kick chase.
Tigers were on the back foot from the start, missing tackles across the field and not playing smart football. The Talau dropped ball coming from the in goal was the wrong play, he was always going to get smashed, the defence was set.

They go out all attack don't they with power and speed right across the park. If you can stay with them and possibly tire them out you have a chance but that isn't easy.

There was there no problem with that play from Talau from an option perspective but his execution was extremely poor. He makes so many mistakes.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

Tim sheens. Maguire can’t build a team from ground up.

How do you know that?

My conclusion is drawn based on his past five seasons coaching.

I thought he was rebuilding, literally from the ground up?

Sheens (or who ever coaches) will obviously push to get the side they want, so that will mean another 5 years to get the side up to speed? Can’t see it happening.

I wouldn't appoint Sheens but he won the comp in his 2nd year at the club.

He can still coach. Got a bunch of farmers to beat England last night.

“A bunch of farmers” interesting way to describe the team and our new half?
But don’t let facts get in the way though, will you.?

Outside of Hastings and maybe Sezer how many guys would make any NRL team?

Combined Nations All Stars 19-player squad

Jake Connor (Hull FC), Kenny Edwards (Huddersfield Giants), Jackson Hastings (Wigan Warriors), Liam Kay (Wakefield Trinity), Kruise Leeming (Leeds Rhinos), Ricky Leutele (Huddersfield Giants), Peter Mata’utia (Castleford Tigers), Suaia Matagi (Castleford Tigers), Jermaine McGillvary (Huddersfield Giants), Junior Moors (Featherstone Rovers), Pauli Pauli (Salford Red Devils), Nathan Peats (Leigh Centurions), Matt Prior (Leeds Rhinos), Chris Satae (Hull FC), Andre Savelio (Hull FC), Aidan Sezer (Huddersfield Giants), Ken Sio (Salford Red Devils), Kelepi Tanginoa (Wakefield Trinity), Luke Yates (Huddersfield Giants).

 

[Russell]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

The thing about Australian school boys is they look really good.. against school boys.

Thanks for that pearl of wisdom , but talent is talent . Just because they never develop the physicality , and mentality doesn’t mean you don’t target the elite juniors .
And we have them in the club . They’re here . So this garbage about not having talent is just that . Garbage . We have to figure out how to get that talent to translate .

No doubt they are talented some of these young players, you don’t make a National team at any level without talent. But to go from elite junior to professional NRL player you need a few things - great mentors, the right attitude and a lot of luck. And that might get you a debut. I’ve watched first hand as many super talented juniors failed to crack NRL. I will continue to say it, until our systems are right and we have good senior players we are going to continue to see these young guys fall short of expectations. Craig Fitzgibbon was a dud junior who played on a wing, look what good systems did for him.

That’s my point . I think are agreeing here . The issue is the pathways , and development , not lack of talent . So when people say things like “we don’t have the talent that Melbourne do” . I call bull crap !!! We do so have the talent . We just as a club arnt nurturing them in a system that is not only conducive to them maximising thier talents individually, but from a fans perspective , maximising the Ws for the club .

You reckon that problem is across most clubs? They always talk about lack of talent when expansion comes up but I think it's more lack of development.

Yea I do mate . I think too many jobs for the boys , nepotism , in fighting in junior leagues (Wests are the absolute worst for this) , and most of all , IMO , we should have Balmain and Wests , when identified , playing together from a very young age . The fact Wests hate Balmain , and get “wests” legends in. ,and the same for balmain , is just dinosaur stuff .

The junior teams should all be Wests tigers for starters .
But it will never get agreed to , because Balmain and Wests hate each other , or some garbage like that . As if it’s 1975 .

One sg ball, matts team? Would they need to abandon one junior area?

No I don’t think so . I think that’s where the academy would come in . Identify them early have them train together and grow together . The issue is , which is a minor one really , there are no longer say 60 spots available for rep honours between the 2 districts , but rather 30 now . But that’s no different to every other club anyway .
We could bus in the kids from Balmain , like the roosters and manly do , to C-town ( yes C -town) where the academy should be . There should photos of benji and Robbie , Lawry , Ellis , sheens Galea , skando , Hodgson . Plastered everywhere . And a hallway with door , that only ever opens when you get called up to the show. Or some symbolic gesture , that you have graduated to concord .

No mention at all of Balmain , Wests , other than , maybe some museum like room that commemorates our history .
And it’s taught about , but never ever dwelled upon . It has to be about Wests tigers .

Agree - great idea that should have been identified yonks ago. Good luck with West Tigers - can't even get Reggies called that.

Disagree with Campbelltown though. Academy should be at the centre of excellence - we have nothing at Campbelltown.

Let's hope something along these lines eventuates.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

Tim sheens. Maguire can’t build a team from ground up.

How do you know that?

My conclusion is drawn based on his past five seasons coaching.

I thought he was rebuilding, literally from the ground up?

Sheens (or who ever coaches) will obviously push to get the side they want, so that will mean another 5 years to get the side up to speed? Can’t see it happening.

I wouldn't appoint Sheens but he won the comp in his 2nd year at the club.

He can still coach. Got a bunch of farmers to beat England last night.

“A bunch of farmers” interesting way to describe the team and our new half?
But don’t let facts get in the way though, will you.?

Outside of Hastings and maybe Sezer how many guys would make any NRL team?

Combined Nations All Stars 19-player squad

Jake Connor (Hull FC), Kenny Edwards (Huddersfield Giants), Jackson Hastings (Wigan Warriors), Liam Kay (Wakefield Trinity), Kruise Leeming (Leeds Rhinos), Ricky Leutele (Huddersfield Giants), Peter Mata’utia (Castleford Tigers), Suaia Matagi (Castleford Tigers), Jermaine McGillvary (Huddersfield Giants), Junior Moors (Featherstone Rovers), Pauli Pauli (Salford Red Devils), Nathan Peats (Leigh Centurions), Matt Prior (Leeds Rhinos), Chris Satae (Hull FC), Andre Savelio (Hull FC), Aidan Sezer (Huddersfield Giants), Ken Sio (Salford Red Devils), Kelepi Tanginoa (Wakefield Trinity), Luke Yates (Huddersfield Giants).

Sevillio was supposed to be a once in a generation backrower , now he plays for hull.
That team would run last in the NRL . England have fallen a very long way .

 

[avocadoontoast]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

Tim sheens. Maguire can’t build a team from ground up.

How do you know that?

My conclusion is drawn based on his past five seasons coaching.

I thought he was rebuilding, literally from the ground up?

Sheens (or who ever coaches) will obviously push to get the side they want, so that will mean another 5 years to get the side up to speed? Can’t see it happening.

I wouldn't appoint Sheens but he won the comp in his 2nd year at the club.

He can still coach. Got a bunch of farmers to beat England last night.

“A bunch of farmers” interesting way to describe the team and our new half?
But don’t let facts get in the way though, will you.?

Outside of Hastings and maybe Sezer how many guys would make any NRL team?

Combined Nations All Stars 19-player squad

Jake Connor (Hull FC), Kenny Edwards (Huddersfield Giants), Jackson Hastings (Wigan Warriors), Liam Kay (Wakefield Trinity), Kruise Leeming (Leeds Rhinos), Ricky Leutele (Huddersfield Giants), Peter Mata’utia (Castleford Tigers), Suaia Matagi (Castleford Tigers), Jermaine McGillvary (Huddersfield Giants), Junior Moors (Featherstone Rovers), Pauli Pauli (Salford Red Devils), Nathan Peats (Leigh Centurions), Matt Prior (Leeds Rhinos), Chris Satae (Hull FC), Andre Savelio (Hull FC), Aidan Sezer (Huddersfield Giants), Ken Sio (Salford Red Devils), Kelepi Tanginoa (Wakefield Trinity), Luke Yates (Huddersfield Giants).

Sevillio was supposed to be a once in a generation backrower , now he plays for hull.
That team would run last in the NRL . England have fallen a very long way .

That team would struggle to win KOE cup.

 

[sleeve]

Mulitalo ruled out of Maroons side due to ineligibility.

After the Tony Carrol fiasco, the Inglis fiasco , and of course the greatest con the Grasshoper as a referee fiasco, they have finally been made to follow the rules.

That sux for mulitalo though . For me if he’s represented them at young age , that should the end of it .
What so now he can only represent NZ ? What if he identifies as an Aussie ? He’s already worn the maroon . It’s the same with Luke Keary . He should have always been a maroon , because that’s who he wanted to play for . Because he’s competitive, he will do a job for us in the future , but why make him ?

The issue with Inglis , Folau , etc . Is that they were told NSW were a bunch of racists who will never look after the boys . We can thank Tony Mundine for that nugget of wisdom. So they all jumped ship . Lattrell was taking about it a week ago , that it wasn’t cool for the young boys to wear nsw blue. And he wanted to change that . In the end , we need guys who wear the jersey with pride , and vise versa . If that means a 14 year old kid , as apprised to a 13 year old kid , I don’t see the difference . It’s a bloody technicality. Seems a bit crass to enforce it to me .

Let's be serious, rules are rules, Origin is for NSW and QLD players, and a stepping stone for the Australian jumper.
Not for Kiwis, islanders or others. Kiwis are loyal to NZ not to Australia, I'm surrounded by them, and they will only buy Watties baked beans and always wear black. Ifeel sorry for the kid, but even if he played i doubt he would get another QLD jumper, and that would mean he can't play for NZ in the future. That is not good for the NZ rugby league.
If people don't think qld selectors were not aware of this you are naive.