Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[facepalmer]

Hearing Brisbane letting Bullemor negotiate for a release and it's to go to Manly is pain. He is exactly what we need. The kid is a star in waiting.

Manly do well with that play they managed to do it with Aloia now bullemore agitate for a release

i wonder if Aloiai and Bullemor have the same manager

 

[the_third]

Comments suggesting it doesn't matter as they're only reserve graders are missing the point. These players were identified by us and we made them offers. They turned us down. There is no point having a youth strategy if we're unable to sign them.

The vast majority of NRL players will resign with their current clubs. This is not an issue unique to Wests Tigers. Do you think the Wests Tigers were the only club that identified either of these guys?

They are not the only two players we've gone after. We've gone after many other players that have signed with rival clubs.

So what? We are a club that isn’t very attractive because we have spent so much time near the bottom. That won’t change overnight.

You conveniently ignore all the junior talent we have signed because we missed out on 2.

We've missed out on a lot more than two unless of course we didn't really make them an offer at all -

TPJ
JAC
LM
AJ Brimson
Lomax
Jai Arrow
HSS
Egan

Ah so now you’re changing the argument to make the list longer, sorry I didn’t realise players in their mid 20,s were classed as junior talent.

Not changing the argument at all. Egan and HSS were no doubt being recruited for our NRL side, not to sit in KOE. These are players we were linked to and have signed zero. Our miss rate is shocking.

Do you believe bringing Sheens back is an admission a cog is amiss in our recruitment wheel (note I believe Hartigan is doing a fine job)?

Hartigan is also a big piece of the recruitment team, not just Madge.

If our recruitment purportedly sucks, the blame lays with the entire team. You don't get to pick and choose who to single out.

I think whoever is identifying the talent (I imagine a mix of Hartigan and Madge) is doing a good job. They just can't close a deal. That's the issue

Yeah and you will not get an argument from me about that either. We are flush with cash so it's not about that. It's either we are refusing to pay overs to attract the talent as it appears we have had a bit of a moneyball approach of late, or they don't want to be here.

But my reply to Paws was moreso about his willingness to apportion blame toward Madge in it's entirety and absolve absolutely everyone else in the process. Never anyone else's fault but Maguire's.

It's not an unreasonable expectation the NRL coach is the No 1 cog in recruiting NRL players to a club.

Is it also unreasonable to expect your halfback to be the number 1 cog in your team?

That's the halfback who is the most marked man in the team because he poses the biggest threat to opposing teams?

You answered a question with a question and still didn’t answer my question. My point is you seem to hold the whole organisation to this amazingly high standard which you then don’t have for the halfback of our team which is the “No 1 cog” in our team.

Brooks is one of our best together with Twal. That you cannot see this is your issue.

Trent Barrett can attract JAC, Burton, TPJ, Vaughan and the Bronco's lock is now on his acquisition list. It is not an unreasonable expectation Maguire do the same for WTs. Why are you so sensitive about this? Maguire should rightly be held to account for the lack of signings to improve our roster. He is the NRL coach.

I’m happy to hold madge to account and you can see from my multiple posts I have done that. Ten years as our halfback, 3 coaches and still no finals for our number 1 cog. I admire your devotion but it is definitely clouding your judgement. Our best players are all young players that madge recruited ( Stefano, Laurie, douhei, Blore, tuilagi, mumalo)..etc…

So you hold Brooks to account for the collective failings of the club? Your argument is flawed.

That’s my point lol. You want to hold madge to account for the collective failings of the club.

He is the halfback of the team , the main man, the guy who manages the team, the game manager, the number one cog as you like to put it. So of course it’s on him. Name one other club that has persisted with a halfback that hasn’t played finals in ten years?

Our only wins this year have been against undermanned teams and potential wooden spooners. This year has been a disaster and the best argument that can be mustered for Maguire's retention is fear of who is replacement may be, not that his performance warrants retention.

On the day Maguire signed with the WTs, I was told by a former Souths' man and posted it on this forum. He had no ill feeling towards Maguire. When I asked about him, his answer was Maguire was not the coach for WTs' style of football. He was spot on with that comment.

When you are comparing Brooks with other halves, take a look at the quality of players who have left WTs- Tedesco, Moses, Woods, Simona and JAC. Look at the quality of the players who replaced them. Being at the Storm, Chooks, Panthers, Broncos etc the quality of replacement is always available. It isn't a level playing field. And before you attempt to use that as a defence for Maguire (being a Maguire apologist as you are), signed up well knowing the roster.

ZZZZZZZZzzz

 

[jirskyr]

This year has been a disaster and the best argument that can be mustered for Maguire’s retention is fear of who is replacement may be, not that his performance warrants retention.

No, the best argument that can be mustered is that you let a well-credentialed coach have a decent tenure of ~5 years to achieve sustainable results by the end of that period. And I don't just mean jagging an 8th-place somewhere, I mean consistent finals football being the goal.

This is the same reason why clubs have the "5 year plan", which has become a bit of a meme, but nevertheless it exists.

The rationale behind the 5-year strategy is it can take more than 2-3 seasons to fundamentally change the culture of a club. This includes the average 2-3 year contract of a player (where a new coach inherits a sizeable % of a roster that he cannot rapidly change) and that debutants take 2-3 years to reach the magic "50 FG games" milestone that Tim Sheens used to preach as being the benchmark for an established first-grader. Therefore you need to look beyond 3 seasons to truly shake-up a roster and playing culture.

This has been proven in the field - coaches like Brad Arthur and Ricky Stuart were able to get their clubs back into finals football within 5 years, but not within 3.

Specific to Wests Tigers, our entire head coaching tenures have been 1 season, 2 seasons, 10 seasons, 2 seasons, 2.5 seasons, 1.5 seasons, 3 seasons. It is fact that the only time we played finals football was under the 10-year guy, and we are all aware that after the premiership, it took us **5 years** to get back to playing finals football again.

And then, yes, the secondary argument is who to replace Madge with. I think it's the wrong strategy to fire Madge after 3 years, but I wouldn't cry about it if he was sacked this year. But then I look at the replacements and it's slim pickings - and you need to give the new guy 3 years, so it's high risk of being another 3 seasons with a knee-jerk hiring.

 

[facepalmer]

I am just pondering this side and I am not entirely sure how badly we need signings. The following players are 22 or under that have played significant first grade and are building combinations with the halves (Brooks/Douehi) and each other, learning on the fly and are about to all have an off season together.

Daine Laurie
Asu Kepaoa
Tommy Talau
Stefano Utoikamanu
Jake Simpkin
Tuikimihia Simpkins
Kelma Tuilagi
Shawn Blore
Alex Seyfarth

Each of these have shown quick development, some greater than others.

Our Jersey Flegg side was leading the comp when it ended and boasts some great talent, especially in the forwards.

I'm excited.

 

[jirskyr]

Comments suggesting it doesn't matter as they're only reserve graders are missing the point. These players were identified by us and we made them offers. They turned us down. There is no point having a youth strategy if we're unable to sign them.

The vast majority of NRL players will resign with their current clubs. This is not an issue unique to Wests Tigers. Do you think the Wests Tigers were the only club that identified either of these guys?

They are not the only two players we've gone after. We've gone after many other players that have signed with rival clubs.

So what? We are a club that isn’t very attractive because we have spent so much time near the bottom. That won’t change overnight.

You conveniently ignore all the junior talent we have signed because we missed out on 2.

We've missed out on a lot more than two unless of course we didn't really make them an offer at all -

TPJ
JAC
LM
AJ Brimson
Lomax
Jai Arrow
HSS
Egan

Ah so now you’re changing the argument to make the list longer, sorry I didn’t realise players in their mid 20,s were classed as junior talent.

Not changing the argument at all. Egan and HSS were no doubt being recruited for our NRL side, not to sit in KOE. These are players we were linked to and have signed zero. Our miss rate is shocking.

Do you believe bringing Sheens back is an admission a cog is amiss in our recruitment wheel (note I believe Hartigan is doing a fine job)?

Hartigan is also a big piece of the recruitment team, not just Madge.

If our recruitment purportedly sucks, the blame lays with the entire team. You don't get to pick and choose who to single out.

I think whoever is identifying the talent (I imagine a mix of Hartigan and Madge) is doing a good job. They just can't close a deal. That's the issue

Yeah and you will not get an argument from me about that either. We are flush with cash so it's not about that. It's either we are refusing to pay overs to attract the talent as it appears we have had a bit of a moneyball approach of late, or they don't want to be here.

But my reply to Paws was moreso about his willingness to apportion blame toward Madge in it's entirety and absolve absolutely everyone else in the process. Never anyone else's fault but Maguire's.

It's not an unreasonable expectation the NRL coach is the No 1 cog in recruiting NRL players to a club.

Is it also unreasonable to expect your halfback to be the number 1 cog in your team?

That's the halfback who is the most marked man in the team because he poses the biggest threat to opposing teams?

You answered a question with a question and still didn’t answer my question. My point is you seem to hold the whole organisation to this amazingly high standard which you then don’t have for the halfback of our team which is the “No 1 cog” in our team.

Brooks is one of our best together with Twal. That you cannot see this is your issue.

Trent Barrett can attract JAC, Burton, TPJ, Vaughan and the Bronco's lock is now on his acquisition list. It is not an unreasonable expectation Maguire do the same for WTs. Why are you so sensitive about this? Maguire should rightly be held to account for the lack of signings to improve our roster. He is the NRL coach.

I’m happy to hold madge to account and you can see from my multiple posts I have done that. Ten years as our halfback, 3 coaches and still no finals for our number 1 cog. I admire your devotion but it is definitely clouding your judgement. Our best players are all young players that madge recruited ( Stefano, Laurie, douhei, Blore, tuilagi, mumalo)..etc…

So you hold Brooks to account for the collective failings of the club? Your argument is flawed.

That’s my point lol. You want to hold madge to account for the collective failings of the club.

He is the halfback of the team , the main man, the guy who manages the team, the game manager, the number one cog as you like to put it. So of course it’s on him. Name one other club that has persisted with a halfback that hasn’t played finals in ten years?

Our only wins this year have been against undermanned teams and potential wooden spooners. This year has been a disaster and the best argument that can be mustered for Maguire's retention is fear of who is replacement may be, not that his performance warrants retention.

On the day Maguire signed with the WTs, I was told by a former Souths' man and posted it on this forum. He had no ill feeling towards Maguire. When I asked about him, his answer was Maguire was not the coach for WTs' style of football. He was spot on with that comment.

When you are comparing Brooks with other halves, take a look at the quality of players who have left WTs- Tedesco, Moses, Woods, Simona and JAC. Look at the quality of the players who replaced them. Being at the Storm, Chooks, Panthers, Broncos etc the quality of replacement is always available. It isn't a level playing field. And before you attempt to use that as a defence for Maguire (being a Maguire apologist as you are), signed up well knowing the roster.

What is the right type of coach for the West’s Tigers though? Is it a softie that pandas to the players every whim and pats them on the head when things aren’t going our way to tell them they’re all good guys and it’s not your fault we’re playing like rubbish?

I think your mate perhaps was eluding to the fact that the above description is who the west’s tigers are, or at least who we have been for a large part of our recent history and for that reason Madge isn’t the right fit. And I’d agree if we felt that type of club and that type of view of who we want to be is to remain as it’s been for a while. I think we need to find a hard edge and develop a win at all costs mentality and for that reason we need a coach like Madge and if not him, someone of his mould.

I was informed by a man well qualified to comment. What he meant was the WTs traditionally play an expansive style of attacking football with coaches such as Sheens and Cleary being excellent tacticians, communicators and man managers. In comparison, Maguire is a very limited coach.

I will point out to you that the excellent tacticians you speak of have an all-career finals record of 11/23 (48%) and 7/14 (50% - including 2021) seasons. Michael Maguire is currently 4/8, very likely to be 4/9 (44%). Two of those coaches have achieved premierships and Ivan Cleary isn't one of them.

Also I think it's a silly argument to refer to styles of football that teams "traditionally" play. The roster turnover is so significant in short periods, no club can truly claim to have a consistent style of football across different rosters, coaches and tactical seasons. Melbourne Storm are the dominant side of the past 10 years because they adapt so readily, not because they bunker-down into one style of play year-on-year.

The response was already made by @GCfan - whatever you might claim to be able to label as a Tigers' "traditional style", the history of our styles has been fairly consistent failure. So if I agree with you and say yes, Tigers are indeed often an expansive and attacking-type team, then the 19 seasons before Madge show you how poor that style has fared. Your argument might instead be a strong proponent for picking a coach who adopts a very different playing style.

 

[the_third]

Comments suggesting it doesn't matter as they're only reserve graders are missing the point. These players were identified by us and we made them offers. They turned us down. There is no point having a youth strategy if we're unable to sign them.

The vast majority of NRL players will resign with their current clubs. This is not an issue unique to Wests Tigers. Do you think the Wests Tigers were the only club that identified either of these guys?

They are not the only two players we've gone after. We've gone after many other players that have signed with rival clubs.

So what? We are a club that isn’t very attractive because we have spent so much time near the bottom. That won’t change overnight.

You conveniently ignore all the junior talent we have signed because we missed out on 2.

We've missed out on a lot more than two unless of course we didn't really make them an offer at all -

TPJ
JAC
LM
AJ Brimson
Lomax
Jai Arrow
HSS
Egan

Ah so now you’re changing the argument to make the list longer, sorry I didn’t realise players in their mid 20,s were classed as junior talent.

Not changing the argument at all. Egan and HSS were no doubt being recruited for our NRL side, not to sit in KOE. These are players we were linked to and have signed zero. Our miss rate is shocking.

Do you believe bringing Sheens back is an admission a cog is amiss in our recruitment wheel (note I believe Hartigan is doing a fine job)?

Hartigan is also a big piece of the recruitment team, not just Madge.

If our recruitment purportedly sucks, the blame lays with the entire team. You don't get to pick and choose who to single out.

I think whoever is identifying the talent (I imagine a mix of Hartigan and Madge) is doing a good job. They just can't close a deal. That's the issue

Yeah and you will not get an argument from me about that either. We are flush with cash so it's not about that. It's either we are refusing to pay overs to attract the talent as it appears we have had a bit of a moneyball approach of late, or they don't want to be here.

But my reply to Paws was moreso about his willingness to apportion blame toward Madge in it's entirety and absolve absolutely everyone else in the process. Never anyone else's fault but Maguire's.

It's not an unreasonable expectation the NRL coach is the No 1 cog in recruiting NRL players to a club.

Is it also unreasonable to expect your halfback to be the number 1 cog in your team?

That's the halfback who is the most marked man in the team because he poses the biggest threat to opposing teams?

You answered a question with a question and still didn’t answer my question. My point is you seem to hold the whole organisation to this amazingly high standard which you then don’t have for the halfback of our team which is the “No 1 cog” in our team.

Brooks is one of our best together with Twal. That you cannot see this is your issue.

Trent Barrett can attract JAC, Burton, TPJ, Vaughan and the Bronco's lock is now on his acquisition list. It is not an unreasonable expectation Maguire do the same for WTs. Why are you so sensitive about this? Maguire should rightly be held to account for the lack of signings to improve our roster. He is the NRL coach.

I’m happy to hold madge to account and you can see from my multiple posts I have done that. Ten years as our halfback, 3 coaches and still no finals for our number 1 cog. I admire your devotion but it is definitely clouding your judgement. Our best players are all young players that madge recruited ( Stefano, Laurie, douhei, Blore, tuilagi, mumalo)..etc…

So you hold Brooks to account for the collective failings of the club? Your argument is flawed.

That’s my point lol. You want to hold madge to account for the collective failings of the club.

He is the halfback of the team , the main man, the guy who manages the team, the game manager, the number one cog as you like to put it. So of course it’s on him. Name one other club that has persisted with a halfback that hasn’t played finals in ten years?

Our only wins this year have been against undermanned teams and potential wooden spooners. This year has been a disaster and the best argument that can be mustered for Maguire's retention is fear of who is replacement may be, not that his performance warrants retention.

On the day Maguire signed with the WTs, I was told by a former Souths' man and posted it on this forum. He had no ill feeling towards Maguire. When I asked about him, his answer was Maguire was not the coach for WTs' style of football. He was spot on with that comment.

When you are comparing Brooks with other halves, take a look at the quality of players who have left WTs- Tedesco, Moses, Woods, Simona and JAC. Look at the quality of the players who replaced them. Being at the Storm, Chooks, Panthers, Broncos etc the quality of replacement is always available. It isn't a level playing field. And before you attempt to use that as a defence for Maguire (being a Maguire apologist as you are), signed up well knowing the roster.

What is the right type of coach for the West’s Tigers though? Is it a softie that pandas to the players every whim and pats them on the head when things aren’t going our way to tell them they’re all good guys and it’s not your fault we’re playing like rubbish?

I think your mate perhaps was eluding to the fact that the above description is who the west’s tigers are, or at least who we have been for a large part of our recent history and for that reason Madge isn’t the right fit. And I’d agree if we felt that type of club and that type of view of who we want to be is to remain as it’s been for a while. I think we need to find a hard edge and develop a win at all costs mentality and for that reason we need a coach like Madge and if not him, someone of his mould.

I was informed by a man well qualified to comment. What he meant was the WTs traditionally play an expansive style of attacking football with coaches such as Sheens and Cleary being excellent tacticians, communicators and man managers. In comparison, Maguire is a very limited coach.

Sheens has a losing record with 3 of the 4 clubs he coached in the NRL and the winning record was with a stacked Canberra team - even waters or Freddy could win with that bunch, maybe even seibold. His overall NRL % is just over 50%. Must be a result of his extreme tactical nous.

He did win us a premiership, so I'm grateful for that. He's not the messiah though or he would have won us more with most of his squads.

 

[cktiger]

Comments suggesting it doesn't matter as they're only reserve graders are missing the point. These players were identified by us and we made them offers. They turned us down. There is no point having a youth strategy if we're unable to sign them.

The vast majority of NRL players will resign with their current clubs. This is not an issue unique to Wests Tigers. Do you think the Wests Tigers were the only club that identified either of these guys?

They are not the only two players we've gone after. We've gone after many other players that have signed with rival clubs.

So what? We are a club that isn’t very attractive because we have spent so much time near the bottom. That won’t change overnight.

You conveniently ignore all the junior talent we have signed because we missed out on 2.

We've missed out on a lot more than two unless of course we didn't really make them an offer at all -

TPJ
JAC
LM
AJ Brimson
Lomax
Jai Arrow
HSS
Egan

Ah so now you’re changing the argument to make the list longer, sorry I didn’t realise players in their mid 20,s were classed as junior talent.

Not changing the argument at all. Egan and HSS were no doubt being recruited for our NRL side, not to sit in KOE. These are players we were linked to and have signed zero. Our miss rate is shocking.

Do you believe bringing Sheens back is an admission a cog is amiss in our recruitment wheel (note I believe Hartigan is doing a fine job)?

Hartigan is also a big piece of the recruitment team, not just Madge.

If our recruitment purportedly sucks, the blame lays with the entire team. You don't get to pick and choose who to single out.

I think whoever is identifying the talent (I imagine a mix of Hartigan and Madge) is doing a good job. They just can't close a deal. That's the issue

Yeah and you will not get an argument from me about that either. We are flush with cash so it's not about that. It's either we are refusing to pay overs to attract the talent as it appears we have had a bit of a moneyball approach of late, or they don't want to be here.

But my reply to Paws was moreso about his willingness to apportion blame toward Madge in it's entirety and absolve absolutely everyone else in the process. Never anyone else's fault but Maguire's.

It's not an unreasonable expectation the NRL coach is the No 1 cog in recruiting NRL players to a club.

Is it also unreasonable to expect your halfback to be the number 1 cog in your team?

That's the halfback who is the most marked man in the team because he poses the biggest threat to opposing teams?

You answered a question with a question and still didn’t answer my question. My point is you seem to hold the whole organisation to this amazingly high standard which you then don’t have for the halfback of our team which is the “No 1 cog” in our team.

Brooks is one of our best together with Twal. That you cannot see this is your issue.

Trent Barrett can attract JAC, Burton, TPJ, Vaughan and the Bronco's lock is now on his acquisition list. It is not an unreasonable expectation Maguire do the same for WTs. Why are you so sensitive about this? Maguire should rightly be held to account for the lack of signings to improve our roster. He is the NRL coach.

I’m happy to hold madge to account and you can see from my multiple posts I have done that. Ten years as our halfback, 3 coaches and still no finals for our number 1 cog. I admire your devotion but it is definitely clouding your judgement. Our best players are all young players that madge recruited ( Stefano, Laurie, douhei, Blore, tuilagi, mumalo)..etc…

So you hold Brooks to account for the collective failings of the club? Your argument is flawed.

That’s my point lol. You want to hold madge to account for the collective failings of the club.

He is the halfback of the team , the main man, the guy who manages the team, the game manager, the number one cog as you like to put it. So of course it’s on him. Name one other club that has persisted with a halfback that hasn’t played finals in ten years?

Of those 10 years, how many times would you say we had a squad that SHOULD have made the 8?

How many times have we come 9th?

 

[Bones]

Comments suggesting it doesn't matter as they're only reserve graders are missing the point. These players were identified by us and we made them offers. They turned us down. There is no point having a youth strategy if we're unable to sign them.

The vast majority of NRL players will resign with their current clubs. This is not an issue unique to Wests Tigers. Do you think the Wests Tigers were the only club that identified either of these guys?

They are not the only two players we've gone after. We've gone after many other players that have signed with rival clubs.

So what? We are a club that isn’t very attractive because we have spent so much time near the bottom. That won’t change overnight.

You conveniently ignore all the junior talent we have signed because we missed out on 2.

We've missed out on a lot more than two unless of course we didn't really make them an offer at all -

TPJ
JAC
LM
AJ Brimson
Lomax
Jai Arrow
HSS
Egan

Ah so now you’re changing the argument to make the list longer, sorry I didn’t realise players in their mid 20,s were classed as junior talent.

Not changing the argument at all. Egan and HSS were no doubt being recruited for our NRL side, not to sit in KOE. These are players we were linked to and have signed zero. Our miss rate is shocking.

Do you believe bringing Sheens back is an admission a cog is amiss in our recruitment wheel (note I believe Hartigan is doing a fine job)?

Hartigan is also a big piece of the recruitment team, not just Madge.

If our recruitment purportedly sucks, the blame lays with the entire team. You don't get to pick and choose who to single out.

I think whoever is identifying the talent (I imagine a mix of Hartigan and Madge) is doing a good job. They just can't close a deal. That's the issue

Yeah and you will not get an argument from me about that either. We are flush with cash so it's not about that. It's either we are refusing to pay overs to attract the talent as it appears we have had a bit of a moneyball approach of late, or they don't want to be here.

But my reply to Paws was moreso about his willingness to apportion blame toward Madge in it's entirety and absolve absolutely everyone else in the process. Never anyone else's fault but Maguire's.

It's not an unreasonable expectation the NRL coach is the No 1 cog in recruiting NRL players to a club.

Is it also unreasonable to expect your halfback to be the number 1 cog in your team?

That's the halfback who is the most marked man in the team because he poses the biggest threat to opposing teams?

You answered a question with a question and still didn’t answer my question. My point is you seem to hold the whole organisation to this amazingly high standard which you then don’t have for the halfback of our team which is the “No 1 cog” in our team.

Brooks is one of our best together with Twal. That you cannot see this is your issue.

Trent Barrett can attract JAC, Burton, TPJ, Vaughan and the Bronco's lock is now on his acquisition list. It is not an unreasonable expectation Maguire do the same for WTs. Why are you so sensitive about this? Maguire should rightly be held to account for the lack of signings to improve our roster. He is the NRL coach.

I’m happy to hold madge to account and you can see from my multiple posts I have done that. Ten years as our halfback, 3 coaches and still no finals for our number 1 cog. I admire your devotion but it is definitely clouding your judgement. Our best players are all young players that madge recruited ( Stefano, Laurie, douhei, Blore, tuilagi, mumalo)..etc…

So you hold Brooks to account for the collective failings of the club? Your argument is flawed.

That’s my point lol. You want to hold madge to account for the collective failings of the club.

He is the halfback of the team , the main man, the guy who manages the team, the game manager, the number one cog as you like to put it. So of course it’s on him. Name one other club that has persisted with a halfback that hasn’t played finals in ten years?

Of those 10 years, how many times would you say we had a squad that SHOULD have made the 8?

How many times have we come 9th?

Usually when someone answers a question with another question it’s because they know the answer will hurt their position.

And by the way, Luke Brooks didn’t debut till 2013.

 

[aturkey]

Comments suggesting it doesn't matter as they're only reserve graders are missing the point. These players were identified by us and we made them offers. They turned us down. There is no point having a youth strategy if we're unable to sign them.

The vast majority of NRL players will resign with their current clubs. This is not an issue unique to Wests Tigers. Do you think the Wests Tigers were the only club that identified either of these guys?

They are not the only two players we've gone after. We've gone after many other players that have signed with rival clubs.

So what? We are a club that isn’t very attractive because we have spent so much time near the bottom. That won’t change overnight.

You conveniently ignore all the junior talent we have signed because we missed out on 2.

We've missed out on a lot more than two unless of course we didn't really make them an offer at all -

TPJ
JAC
LM
AJ Brimson
Lomax
Jai Arrow
HSS
Egan

Ah so now you’re changing the argument to make the list longer, sorry I didn’t realise players in their mid 20,s were classed as junior talent.

Not changing the argument at all. Egan and HSS were no doubt being recruited for our NRL side, not to sit in KOE. These are players we were linked to and have signed zero. Our miss rate is shocking.

Do you believe bringing Sheens back is an admission a cog is amiss in our recruitment wheel (note I believe Hartigan is doing a fine job)?

Hartigan is also a big piece of the recruitment team, not just Madge.

If our recruitment purportedly sucks, the blame lays with the entire team. You don't get to pick and choose who to single out.

I think whoever is identifying the talent (I imagine a mix of Hartigan and Madge) is doing a good job. They just can't close a deal. That's the issue

Yeah and you will not get an argument from me about that either. We are flush with cash so it's not about that. It's either we are refusing to pay overs to attract the talent as it appears we have had a bit of a moneyball approach of late, or they don't want to be here.

But my reply to Paws was moreso about his willingness to apportion blame toward Madge in it's entirety and absolve absolutely everyone else in the process. Never anyone else's fault but Maguire's.

It's not an unreasonable expectation the NRL coach is the No 1 cog in recruiting NRL players to a club.

Is it also unreasonable to expect your halfback to be the number 1 cog in your team?

That's the halfback who is the most marked man in the team because he poses the biggest threat to opposing teams?

You answered a question with a question and still didn’t answer my question. My point is you seem to hold the whole organisation to this amazingly high standard which you then don’t have for the halfback of our team which is the “No 1 cog” in our team.

Brooks is one of our best together with Twal. That you cannot see this is your issue.

Trent Barrett can attract JAC, Burton, TPJ, Vaughan and the Bronco's lock is now on his acquisition list. It is not an unreasonable expectation Maguire do the same for WTs. Why are you so sensitive about this? Maguire should rightly be held to account for the lack of signings to improve our roster. He is the NRL coach.

I’m happy to hold madge to account and you can see from my multiple posts I have done that. Ten years as our halfback, 3 coaches and still no finals for our number 1 cog. I admire your devotion but it is definitely clouding your judgement. Our best players are all young players that madge recruited ( Stefano, Laurie, douhei, Blore, tuilagi, mumalo)..etc…

So you hold Brooks to account for the collective failings of the club? Your argument is flawed.

That’s my point lol. You want to hold madge to account for the collective failings of the club.

He is the halfback of the team , the main man, the guy who manages the team, the game manager, the number one cog as you like to put it. So of course it’s on him. Name one other club that has persisted with a halfback that hasn’t played finals in ten years?

Our only wins this year have been against undermanned teams and potential wooden spooners. This year has been a disaster and the best argument that can be mustered for Maguire's retention is fear of who is replacement may be, not that his performance warrants retention.

On the day Maguire signed with the WTs, I was told by a former Souths' man and posted it on this forum. He had no ill feeling towards Maguire. When I asked about him, his answer was Maguire was not the coach for WTs' style of football. He was spot on with that comment.

When you are comparing Brooks with other halves, take a look at the quality of players who have left WTs- Tedesco, Moses, Woods, Simona and JAC. Look at the quality of the players who replaced them. Being at the Storm, Chooks, Panthers, Broncos etc the quality of replacement is always available. It isn't a level playing field. And before you attempt to use that as a defence for Maguire (being a Maguire apologist as you are), signed up well knowing the roster.

What is the right type of coach for the West’s Tigers though? Is it a softie that pandas to the players every whim and pats them on the head when things aren’t going our way to tell them they’re all good guys and it’s not your fault we’re playing like rubbish?

I think your mate perhaps was eluding to the fact that the above description is who the west’s tigers are, or at least who we have been for a large part of our recent history and for that reason Madge isn’t the right fit. And I’d agree if we felt that type of club and that type of view of who we want to be is to remain as it’s been for a while. I think we need to find a hard edge and develop a win at all costs mentality and for that reason we need a coach like Madge and if not him, someone of his mould.

I was informed by a man well qualified to comment. What he meant was the WTs traditionally play an expansive style of attacking football with coaches such as Sheens and Cleary being excellent tacticians, communicators and man managers. In comparison, Maguire is a very limited coach.

I will point out to you that the excellent tacticians you speak of have an all-career finals record of 11/23 (48%) and 7/14 (50% - including 2021) seasons. Michael Maguire is currently 4/8, very likely to be 4/9 (44%). Two of those coaches have achieved premierships and Ivan Cleary isn't one of them.

Also I think it's a silly argument to refer to styles of football that teams "traditionally" play. The roster turnover is so significant in short periods, no club can truly claim to have a consistent style of football across different rosters, coaches and tactical seasons. Melbourne Storm are the dominant side of the past 10 years because they adapt so readily, not because they bunker-down into one style of play year-on-year.

The response was already made by @GCfan - whatever you might claim to be able to label as a Tigers' "traditional style", the history of our styles has been fairly consistent failure. So if I agree with you and say yes, Tigers are indeed often an expansive and attacking-type team, then the 19 seasons before Madge show you how poor that style has fared. Your argument might instead be a strong proponent for picking a coach who adopts a very different playing style.

We have a playing style? I haven't seen it

 

[TigerWest]

I am just pondering this side and I am not entirely sure how badly we need signings. The following players are 22 or under that have played significant first grade and are building combinations with the halves (Brooks/Douehi) and each other, learning on the fly and are about to all have an off season together.

Daine Laurie
Asu Kepaoa
Tommy Talau
Stefano Utoikamanu
Jake Simpkin
Tuikimihia Simpkins
Kelma Tuilagi
Shawn Blore
Alex Seyfarth

Each of these have shown quick development, some greater than others.

Our Jersey Flegg side was leading the comp when it ended and boasts some great talent, especially in the forwards.

I'm excited.

Totally agree, but I just think we are a hard butt forward and back away from achieving nirvana?

I remember the Storm and Parra games, where they just ran over us, we looked like kids playing against men, but the future is certainly looking bright.

 

[Demps]

I am just pondering this side and I am not entirely sure how badly we need signings. The following players are 22 or under that have played significant first grade and are building combinations with the halves (Brooks/Douehi) and each other, learning on the fly and are about to all have an off season together.

Daine Laurie
Asu Kepaoa
Tommy Talau
Stefano Utoikamanu
Jake Simpkin
Tuikimihia Simpkins
Kelma Tuilagi
Shawn Blore
Alex Seyfarth

Each of these have shown quick development, some greater than others.

Our Jersey Flegg side was leading the comp when it ended and boasts some great talent, especially in the forwards.

I'm excited.

Totally agree, but I just think we are a hard butt forward and back away from achieving nirvana?

I remember the Storm and Parra games, where they just ran over us, we looked like kids playing against men, but the future is certainly looking bright.

Lucky for you...
We got Olly G and #13 Jacko boy coming.

Premiership threat in the making!

 

[TigerWest]

Comments suggesting it doesn't matter as they're only reserve graders are missing the point. These players were identified by us and we made them offers. They turned us down. There is no point having a youth strategy if we're unable to sign them.

The vast majority of NRL players will resign with their current clubs. This is not an issue unique to Wests Tigers. Do you think the Wests Tigers were the only club that identified either of these guys?

They are not the only two players we've gone after. We've gone after many other players that have signed with rival clubs.

So what? We are a club that isn’t very attractive because we have spent so much time near the bottom. That won’t change overnight.

You conveniently ignore all the junior talent we have signed because we missed out on 2.

We've missed out on a lot more than two unless of course we didn't really make them an offer at all -

TPJ
JAC
LM
AJ Brimson
Lomax
Jai Arrow
HSS
Egan

Ah so now you’re changing the argument to make the list longer, sorry I didn’t realise players in their mid 20,s were classed as junior talent.

Not changing the argument at all. Egan and HSS were no doubt being recruited for our NRL side, not to sit in KOE. These are players we were linked to and have signed zero. Our miss rate is shocking.

Do you believe bringing Sheens back is an admission a cog is amiss in our recruitment wheel (note I believe Hartigan is doing a fine job)?

Hartigan is also a big piece of the recruitment team, not just Madge.

If our recruitment purportedly sucks, the blame lays with the entire team. You don't get to pick and choose who to single out.

I think whoever is identifying the talent (I imagine a mix of Hartigan and Madge) is doing a good job. They just can't close a deal. That's the issue

Yeah and you will not get an argument from me about that either. We are flush with cash so it's not about that. It's either we are refusing to pay overs to attract the talent as it appears we have had a bit of a moneyball approach of late, or they don't want to be here.

But my reply to Paws was moreso about his willingness to apportion blame toward Madge in it's entirety and absolve absolutely everyone else in the process. Never anyone else's fault but Maguire's.

It's not an unreasonable expectation the NRL coach is the No 1 cog in recruiting NRL players to a club.

Is it also unreasonable to expect your halfback to be the number 1 cog in your team?

That's the halfback who is the most marked man in the team because he poses the biggest threat to opposing teams?

You answered a question with a question and still didn’t answer my question. My point is you seem to hold the whole organisation to this amazingly high standard which you then don’t have for the halfback of our team which is the “No 1 cog” in our team.

Brooks is one of our best together with Twal. That you cannot see this is your issue.

Trent Barrett can attract JAC, Burton, TPJ, Vaughan and the Bronco's lock is now on his acquisition list. It is not an unreasonable expectation Maguire do the same for WTs. Why are you so sensitive about this? Maguire should rightly be held to account for the lack of signings to improve our roster. He is the NRL coach.

I’m happy to hold madge to account and you can see from my multiple posts I have done that. Ten years as our halfback, 3 coaches and still no finals for our number 1 cog. I admire your devotion but it is definitely clouding your judgement. Our best players are all young players that madge recruited ( Stefano, Laurie, douhei, Blore, tuilagi, mumalo)..etc…

So you hold Brooks to account for the collective failings of the club? Your argument is flawed.

That’s my point lol. You want to hold madge to account for the collective failings of the club.

He is the halfback of the team , the main man, the guy who manages the team, the game manager, the number one cog as you like to put it. So of course it’s on him. Name one other club that has persisted with a halfback that hasn’t played finals in ten years?

Our only wins this year have been against undermanned teams and potential wooden spooners. This year has been a disaster and the best argument that can be mustered for Maguire's retention is fear of who is replacement may be, not that his performance warrants retention.

On the day Maguire signed with the WTs, I was told by a former Souths' man and posted it on this forum. He had no ill feeling towards Maguire. When I asked about him, his answer was Maguire was not the coach for WTs' style of football. He was spot on with that comment.

When you are comparing Brooks with other halves, take a look at the quality of players who have left WTs- Tedesco, Moses, Woods, Simona and JAC. Look at the quality of the players who replaced them. Being at the Storm, Chooks, Panthers, Broncos etc the quality of replacement is always available. It isn't a level playing field. And before you attempt to use that as a defence for Maguire (being a Maguire apologist as you are), signed up well knowing the roster.

**Former Souths CEO Shane Richardson urges Wests Tigers not to sack Michael Maguire**
By WWOS staff
Apr 27th, 2021

Richardson was the last man to sack Maguire three years after he delivered the club a 2014 grand final victory for the Rabbitohs. The Tigers coach is under scrutiny from parts of the Wests board who want to remove him as head coach after their dismal start to the year.

Following through on the plan would be crazy according to Richardson.

**"Madge is a great coach, I think he's outstanding**. To me its absolutely ludicrous that they are thinking about letting Madge go in the short-term," he told Nine News.

"If they are going to make a decision, it should be made at the end of the season. Not now, where I think he'll take them to another level."

**Richardson believes Maguire needs time to rebuild the club and he's not afraid of making unpopular decisions.**

"He doesn't make them lightly. He doesn't make them to suit himself, he makes them because he believes they're right. They're not always right you've got to get 7/10, once you get 6 out of 10 you're in trouble. But Madge is a 7/10 plus decision maker."

The Tigers denied they were looking at a coaching change after their 40-6 hammering to Manly on Sunday, releasing a statement declaring they were united in the face of adversity.

Michael Maguire talking with Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe (left). (Getty)
"Contrary to media reports, Wests Tigers can vehemently deny there are crisis meetings being held at the club," a statement read.

"Whilst disappointed with recent results, all at Wests Tigers remain firmly united and committed to producing a strong and competitive season together, and ready to get back to work tomorrow in preparation for Round 8."

Maguire recently signed a two-year extension until the end of 2023. He reportedly has a clause in his contract that allows the club to cut him from the job without having to pay out the rest of his contract.

 

[TigerWest]

Tactically Madge struggles I believe. I think he likes to be in control of everything. He needs a really good assistant

He's the head coach, he is in control of everything? Assistants do his requirements.

 

[TigerWest]

Hearing Brisbane letting Bullemor negotiate for a release and it's to go to Manly is pain. He is exactly what we need. The kid is a star in waiting.

Wow, manly? I'd happily take anyone in their starting backrow

It’s interesting how many rate the clubs recruitment types but there is a large amount of player movement happening through out the league our club NOTHING ! A couple of Re signings .

Yes we are losing like 6 or so players and not 1 signing lately at all to get excited about.. You would have to think 1 soon even if not a top line player

So do you think that the club is just sitting on it's hands?

 

[twentyforty]

Comments suggesting it doesn't matter as they're only reserve graders are missing the point. These players were identified by us and we made them offers. They turned us down. There is no point having a youth strategy if we're unable to sign them.

The vast majority of NRL players will resign with their current clubs. This is not an issue unique to Wests Tigers. Do you think the Wests Tigers were the only club that identified either of these guys?

They are not the only two players we've gone after. We've gone after many other players that have signed with rival clubs.

So what? We are a club that isn’t very attractive because we have spent so much time near the bottom. That won’t change overnight.

You conveniently ignore all the junior talent we have signed because we missed out on 2.

We've missed out on a lot more than two unless of course we didn't really make them an offer at all -

TPJ
JAC
LM
AJ Brimson
Lomax
Jai Arrow
HSS
Egan

Ah so now you’re changing the argument to make the list longer, sorry I didn’t realise players in their mid 20,s were classed as junior talent.

Not changing the argument at all. Egan and HSS were no doubt being recruited for our NRL side, not to sit in KOE. These are players we were linked to and have signed zero. Our miss rate is shocking.

Do you believe bringing Sheens back is an admission a cog is amiss in our recruitment wheel (note I believe Hartigan is doing a fine job)?

Hartigan is also a big piece of the recruitment team, not just Madge.

If our recruitment purportedly sucks, the blame lays with the entire team. You don't get to pick and choose who to single out.

I think whoever is identifying the talent (I imagine a mix of Hartigan and Madge) is doing a good job. They just can't close a deal. That's the issue

Yeah and you will not get an argument from me about that either. We are flush with cash so it's not about that. It's either we are refusing to pay overs to attract the talent as it appears we have had a bit of a moneyball approach of late, or they don't want to be here.

But my reply to Paws was moreso about his willingness to apportion blame toward Madge in it's entirety and absolve absolutely everyone else in the process. Never anyone else's fault but Maguire's.

It's not an unreasonable expectation the NRL coach is the No 1 cog in recruiting NRL players to a club.

Is it also unreasonable to expect your halfback to be the number 1 cog in your team?

That's the halfback who is the most marked man in the team because he poses the biggest threat to opposing teams?

You answered a question with a question and still didn’t answer my question. My point is you seem to hold the whole organisation to this amazingly high standard which you then don’t have for the halfback of our team which is the “No 1 cog” in our team.

Brooks is one of our best together with Twal. That you cannot see this is your issue.

Trent Barrett can attract JAC, Burton, TPJ, Vaughan and the Bronco's lock is now on his acquisition list. It is not an unreasonable expectation Maguire do the same for WTs. Why are you so sensitive about this? Maguire should rightly be held to account for the lack of signings to improve our roster. He is the NRL coach.

I’m happy to hold madge to account and you can see from my multiple posts I have done that. Ten years as our halfback, 3 coaches and still no finals for our number 1 cog. I admire your devotion but it is definitely clouding your judgement. Our best players are all young players that madge recruited ( Stefano, Laurie, douhei, Blore, tuilagi, mumalo)..etc…

So you hold Brooks to account for the collective failings of the club? Your argument is flawed.

That’s my point lol. You want to hold madge to account for the collective failings of the club.

He is the halfback of the team , the main man, the guy who manages the team, the game manager, the number one cog as you like to put it. So of course it’s on him. Name one other club that has persisted with a halfback that hasn’t played finals in ten years?

Our only wins this year have been against undermanned teams and potential wooden spooners. This year has been a disaster and the best argument that can be mustered for Maguire's retention is fear of who is replacement may be, not that his performance warrants retention.

On the day Maguire signed with the WTs, I was told by a former Souths' man and posted it on this forum. He had no ill feeling towards Maguire. When I asked about him, his answer was Maguire was not the coach for WTs' style of football. He was spot on with that comment.

When you are comparing Brooks with other halves, take a look at the quality of players who have left WTs- Tedesco, Moses, Woods, Simona and JAC. Look at the quality of the players who replaced them. Being at the Storm, Chooks, Panthers, Broncos etc the quality of replacement is always available. It isn't a level playing field. And before you attempt to use that as a defence for Maguire (being a Maguire apologist as you are), signed up well knowing the roster.


**Former Souths CEO Shane Richardson urges Wests Tigers not to sack Michael Maguire**
By WWOS staff
Apr 27th, 2021

Richardson was the last man to sack Maguire three years after he delivered the club a 2014 grand final victory for the Rabbitohs. The Tigers coach is under scrutiny from parts of the Wests board who want to remove him as head coach after their dismal start to the year.

Following through on the plan would be crazy according to Richardson.

**"Madge is a great coach, I think he's outstanding**. To me its absolutely ludicrous that they are thinking about letting Madge go in the short-term," he told Nine News.

"If they are going to make a decision, it should be made at the end of the season. Not now, where I think he'll take them to another level."

**Richardson believes Maguire needs time to rebuild the club and he's not afraid of making unpopular decisions.**

"He doesn't make them lightly. He doesn't make them to suit himself, he makes them because he believes they're right. They're not always right you've got to get 7/10, once you get 6 out of 10 you're in trouble. But Madge is a 7/10 plus decision maker."

The Tigers denied they were looking at a coaching change after their 40-6 hammering to Manly on Sunday, releasing a statement declaring they were united in the face of adversity.

Michael Maguire talking with Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe (left). (Getty)
"Contrary to media reports, Wests Tigers can vehemently deny there are crisis meetings being held at the club," a statement read.

"Whilst disappointed with recent results, all at Wests Tigers remain firmly united and committed to producing a strong and competitive season together, and ready to get back to work tomorrow in preparation for Round 8."

Maguire recently signed a two-year extension until the end of 2023. He reportedly has a clause in his contract that allows the club to cut him from the job without having to pay out the rest of his contract.

This is what we can expect when fans become board members. ☹️

 

[TigerWest]

I am just pondering this side and I am not entirely sure how badly we need signings. The following players are 22 or under that have played significant first grade and are building combinations with the halves (Brooks/Douehi) and each other, learning on the fly and are about to all have an off season together.

Daine Laurie
Asu Kepaoa
Tommy Talau
Stefano Utoikamanu
Jake Simpkin
Tuikimihia Simpkins
Kelma Tuilagi
Shawn Blore
Alex Seyfarth

Each of these have shown quick development, some greater than others.

Our Jersey Flegg side was leading the comp when it ended and boasts some great talent, especially in the forwards.

I'm excited.

Totally agree, but I just think we are a hard butt forward and back away from achieving nirvana?

I remember the Storm and Parra games, where they just ran over us, we looked like kids playing against men, but the future is certainly looking bright.

Lucky for you...
We got Olly G and #13 Jacko boy coming.

Premiership threat in the making!

Are you thinking we need more Lebanese players?

Are there any left?

 

[PJ_]

Comments suggesting it doesn't matter as they're only reserve graders are missing the point. These players were identified by us and we made them offers. They turned us down. There is no point having a youth strategy if we're unable to sign them.

The vast majority of NRL players will resign with their current clubs. This is not an issue unique to Wests Tigers. Do you think the Wests Tigers were the only club that identified either of these guys?

They are not the only two players we've gone after. We've gone after many other players that have signed with rival clubs.

So what? We are a club that isn’t very attractive because we have spent so much time near the bottom. That won’t change overnight.

You conveniently ignore all the junior talent we have signed because we missed out on 2.

We've missed out on a lot more than two unless of course we didn't really make them an offer at all -

TPJ
JAC
LM
AJ Brimson
Lomax
Jai Arrow
HSS
Egan

Ah so now you’re changing the argument to make the list longer, sorry I didn’t realise players in their mid 20,s were classed as junior talent.

Not changing the argument at all. Egan and HSS were no doubt being recruited for our NRL side, not to sit in KOE. These are players we were linked to and have signed zero. Our miss rate is shocking.

Do you believe bringing Sheens back is an admission a cog is amiss in our recruitment wheel (note I believe Hartigan is doing a fine job)?

Hartigan is also a big piece of the recruitment team, not just Madge.

If our recruitment purportedly sucks, the blame lays with the entire team. You don't get to pick and choose who to single out.

I think whoever is identifying the talent (I imagine a mix of Hartigan and Madge) is doing a good job. They just can't close a deal. That's the issue

Yeah and you will not get an argument from me about that either. We are flush with cash so it's not about that. It's either we are refusing to pay overs to attract the talent as it appears we have had a bit of a moneyball approach of late, or they don't want to be here.

But my reply to Paws was moreso about his willingness to apportion blame toward Madge in it's entirety and absolve absolutely everyone else in the process. Never anyone else's fault but Maguire's.

It's not an unreasonable expectation the NRL coach is the No 1 cog in recruiting NRL players to a club.

Is it also unreasonable to expect your halfback to be the number 1 cog in your team?

That's the halfback who is the most marked man in the team because he poses the biggest threat to opposing teams?

You answered a question with a question and still didn’t answer my question. My point is you seem to hold the whole organisation to this amazingly high standard which you then don’t have for the halfback of our team which is the “No 1 cog” in our team.

Brooks is one of our best together with Twal. That you cannot see this is your issue.

Trent Barrett can attract JAC, Burton, TPJ, Vaughan and the Bronco's lock is now on his acquisition list. It is not an unreasonable expectation Maguire do the same for WTs. Why are you so sensitive about this? Maguire should rightly be held to account for the lack of signings to improve our roster. He is the NRL coach.

I’m happy to hold madge to account and you can see from my multiple posts I have done that. Ten years as our halfback, 3 coaches and still no finals for our number 1 cog. I admire your devotion but it is definitely clouding your judgement. Our best players are all young players that madge recruited ( Stefano, Laurie, douhei, Blore, tuilagi, mumalo)..etc…

So you hold Brooks to account for the collective failings of the club? Your argument is flawed.

That’s my point lol. You want to hold madge to account for the collective failings of the club.

He is the halfback of the team , the main man, the guy who manages the team, the game manager, the number one cog as you like to put it. So of course it’s on him. Name one other club that has persisted with a halfback that hasn’t played finals in ten years?

Our only wins this year have been against undermanned teams and potential wooden spooners. This year has been a disaster and the best argument that can be mustered for Maguire's retention is fear of who is replacement may be, not that his performance warrants retention.

On the day Maguire signed with the WTs, I was told by a former Souths' man and posted it on this forum. He had no ill feeling towards Maguire. When I asked about him, his answer was Maguire was not the coach for WTs' style of football. He was spot on with that comment.

When you are comparing Brooks with other halves, take a look at the quality of players who have left WTs- Tedesco, Moses, Woods, Simona and JAC. Look at the quality of the players who replaced them. Being at the Storm, Chooks, Panthers, Broncos etc the quality of replacement is always available. It isn't a level playing field. And before you attempt to use that as a defence for Maguire (being a Maguire apologist as you are), signed up well knowing the roster.


**Former Souths CEO Shane Richardson urges Wests Tigers not to sack Michael Maguire**
By WWOS staff
Apr 27th, 2021

Richardson was the last man to sack Maguire three years after he delivered the club a 2014 grand final victory for the Rabbitohs. The Tigers coach is under scrutiny from parts of the Wests board who want to remove him as head coach after their dismal start to the year.

Following through on the plan would be crazy according to Richardson.

**"Madge is a great coach, I think he's outstanding**. To me its absolutely ludicrous that they are thinking about letting Madge go in the short-term," he told Nine News.

"If they are going to make a decision, it should be made at the end of the season. Not now, where I think he'll take them to another level."

**Richardson believes Maguire needs time to rebuild the club and he's not afraid of making unpopular decisions.**

"He doesn't make them lightly. He doesn't make them to suit himself, he makes them because he believes they're right. They're not always right you've got to get 7/10, once you get 6 out of 10 you're in trouble. But Madge is a 7/10 plus decision maker."

The Tigers denied they were looking at a coaching change after their 40-6 hammering to Manly on Sunday, releasing a statement declaring they were united in the face of adversity.

Michael Maguire talking with Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe (left). (Getty)
"Contrary to media reports, Wests Tigers can vehemently deny there are crisis meetings being held at the club," a statement read.

"Whilst disappointed with recent results, all at Wests Tigers remain firmly united and committed to producing a strong and competitive season together, and ready to get back to work tomorrow in preparation for Round 8."

Maguire recently signed a two-year extension until the end of 2023. He reportedly has a clause in his contract that allows the club to cut him from the job without having to pay out the rest of his contract.

So a guy who sacked Madge is advising us not to sack Madge if we wanted to? Yeah ok bud.

 

[PJ_]

I am just pondering this side and I am not entirely sure how badly we need signings. The following players are 22 or under that have played significant first grade and are building combinations with the halves (Brooks/Douehi) and each other, learning on the fly and are about to all have an off season together.

Daine Laurie
Asu Kepaoa
Tommy Talau
Stefano Utoikamanu
Jake Simpkin
Tuikimihia Simpkins
Kelma Tuilagi
Shawn Blore
Alex Seyfarth

Each of these have shown quick development, some greater than others.

Our Jersey Flegg side was leading the comp when it ended and boasts some great talent, especially in the forwards.

I'm excited.

Totally agree, but I just think we are a hard butt forward and back away from achieving nirvana?

I remember the Storm and Parra games, where they just ran over us, we looked like kids playing against men, but the future is certainly looking bright.

Lucky for you...
We got Olly G and #13 Jacko boy coming.

Premiership threat in the making!

Are you thinking we need more Lebanese players?

Are there any left?

Never have enough

 

[BalmainJnr]

This thread feels more and more like it was merged with the lament thread.

 

[avocadoontoast]

This thread feels more and more like it was merged with the lament thread.

Let’s get it back on track.

I think we need a middle, 2 centres, a winger with pace and a good 2nd rower. Thompson and Lomax would be great signings for next year.