Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[PJ_]

Hate this prick but he's not wrong
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2021-wests-tigers-loss-to-cronulla-sharks-michael-maguire-press-conference-finals-hopes/news-story/c405506b4bdac57400c19e6b128f86da

I watched it last night, he called out Madge, offered up stats, it was not very good viewing for Madge supporters, or Wests Tigers fans in general, but it was all true. The current situation is not working as Ennis said, you can't keep doing the same thing and hoping for a different result, and I agree with him, Madge needs to go

Me too.
Madge has the right ideas but it's obviously not not a fit for the tigers.
Maybe if he was given 5/6 years to mold his process but we have been unsuccessful for so long, we don't want to wait.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Hate this prick but he's not wrong
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2021-wests-tigers-loss-to-cronulla-sharks-michael-maguire-press-conference-finals-hopes/news-story/c405506b4bdac57400c19e6b128f86da

But does he know, or he is just doing what Fox people do, talk through there behind while sitting down?

So why did Lomax, Brimson, JAC, TPJ, Arrow, Mitchell and Sami turn us down?

Do you see a pattern here?

JAC, TPJ, Arrow, Mitchell all changed clubs!

also add Schuster and Saab to that list.

Wouldn't we love to have those two at present. Manly have a great strike rate with young talent.

 

[tony soprano]

Kent just said BJ and Roberts signings were not consulted to madge.

No wonder this club is a mess. Whoever made that decision needs to go

 

[jirskyr]

Hate this prick but he's not wrong
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2021-wests-tigers-loss-to-cronulla-sharks-michael-maguire-press-conference-finals-hopes/news-story/c405506b4bdac57400c19e6b128f86da

Yeah but he doesn't offer an alternative. Just haves a go at clubs without an alternative option. How does a team attract a player? Maybe we need to bring in a draft. He competition is to lopsided to Ike the EPL we.know who will be in the top4 every year.

That's the problem - the issues are obvious, "blind Freddy" as some people like to say. The solution - very difficult.

 

[Aesopian]

Hate this prick but he's not wrong
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2021-wests-tigers-loss-to-cronulla-sharks-michael-maguire-press-conference-finals-hopes/news-story/c405506b4bdac57400c19e6b128f86da

But does he know, or he is just doing what Fox people do, talk through there behind while sitting down?

So why did Lomax, Brimson, JAC, TPJ, Arrow, Mitchell and Sami turn us down?

Do you see a pattern here?

JAC, TPJ, Arrow, Mitchell all changed clubs!

Some people are in complete denial about the state of things at the club. We let in 50 points yesterday against a Sharks team with $3m sitting on the sidelines and a halves pairing that had never played before. Madge was out coached by a caretaker coach.

On top of that we can’t sign anyone who is a legitimate starter at another NRL club (we plucked Ken out of Warriors reserve grade).

To suggest we just let this play out is insanity. If we don’t make changes next year will be even worse


I don’t think anyone is in denial, except you anti Madge brigade, if you can’t see that the players we have are not putting in then no one can help you.

Thank you for proving my point.

You’re listening to P&C too much.

I’ve had my doubts on Madge for years. You’re welcome to look at my old posts if you like?

Perhaps you should objectively watch the games rather than just believe all the rubbish the club is telling you. **Madge is toast**, I’d be surprised if he’s here for next season.

#madgeontoast

 

[teddy23]

Mavrick Gyer (son of Mark after) apparently creating a lot of buzz and might leave Panthers to take up an opportunity at Melbourne

Should we maybe come to the party with more money and the potential to get game time….

Apparently the best player coming through the Jersey Flegg league

 

[851]

Hate this prick but he's not wrong
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2021-wests-tigers-loss-to-cronulla-sharks-michael-maguire-press-conference-finals-hopes/news-story/c405506b4bdac57400c19e6b128f86da

But does he know, or he is just doing what Fox people do, talk through there behind while sitting down?

So why did Lomax, Brimson, JAC, TPJ, Arrow, Mitchell and Sami turn us down?

Do you see a pattern here?

JAC, TPJ, Arrow, Mitchell all changed clubs!

Some people are in complete denial about the state of things at the club. We let in 50 points yesterday against a Sharks team with $3m sitting on the sidelines and a halves pairing that had never played before. Madge was out coached by a caretaker coach.

On top of that we can’t sign anyone who is a legitimate starter at another NRL club (we plucked Ken out of Warriors reserve grade).

To suggest we just let this play out is insanity. If we don’t make changes next year will be even worse


I don’t think anyone is in denial, except you anti Madge brigade, if you can’t see that the players we have are not putting in then no one can help you.

Thank you for proving my point.

You’re listening to P&C too much.

I’ve had my doubts on Madge for years. You’re welcome to look at my old posts if you like?

Perhaps you should objectively watch the games rather than just believe all the rubbish the club is telling you. Madge is toast, I’d be surprised if he’s here for next season.

Exactly I had grave fears when we signed him, there was a reason souths sacked their premiership winning coach, which we conveniently overlooked, and now we are souths circa 2016/17

 

[jirskyr]

This is what guys like you don’t understand . You see things as 10 years when in reality it’s closer to 2 . The sharks had 3 million of cap sitting on the sidelines ? Did they ? Because who was taking that money in the current market , if not for those players ? They had , just like everyone , thier over the hill over paid players sitting on the sidelines . If anything this season was a changing of the guard for many clubs . Including our own .

Specifically about the Sharks they are in a very similar predicament to Tigers except their junior players are a bit more developed than ours, a few years ahead. Obviously they decided to change the coach and they got a few key signings.

My mate is a big Sharks fan and I watched the match with him on zoom yesterday. Despite the magnitude of the win, the reality as a Sharks fan is that they are 1 win better so far than Tigers in 2021, and that win was yesterday. He has no confidence that they'll make the finals, nor that they'll be competitive if they do make the finals. He's not entirely sold on Hynes as a starting half and how long Finucane will last, with Sharks basically selling off their original 2021 halves pairing of Johnson and The Chad.

So yeah Sharkies have several million in wasted contracts - Fifita, Dugan, Moylan, Johnson - and half those guys not even playing. That's their own fault, it's not some kind of drastic injury toll, it's also players who are severely out of form and dropped.

We discussed, I think if you play the Tigers Sharks game again next week, same venue, you might get a very different result. Such is the nature of the sides from 7th and down on the ladder. Newcastle may find themselves in the finals and if so their campaign will include two losses to Tigers. Sharks lost to Bulldogs earlier in the year.

None of this is to excuse the Tigers, it's just I don't think Sharks are the poster boys for how to improve. We need to be comparing ourselves to the Top 4 and really nobody else.

 

[craigtob]

The reason we can’t attract top line players is the coach
Souths moved him on, now look how Souths are going on and off the field
Players only play as good as allowed and our coach is killing them big time.

 

[jirskyr]

I’ve seen this comment a number of times now but with no elaboration. Would love some structures or plays detailed to show was Madge outcoached?

Apparently Sharks had a master plan to punch through the middle with wingers and Tigers didn't see it coming? No team ever has wingers take hitups...

 

[Deleted member 3518]

This is what guys like you don’t understand . You see things as 10 years when in reality it’s closer to 2 . The sharks had 3 million of cap sitting on the sidelines ? Did they ? Because who was taking that money in the current market , if not for those players ? They had , just like everyone , thier over the hill over paid players sitting on the sidelines . If anything this season was a changing of the guard for many clubs . Including our own .

Specifically about the Sharks they are in a very similar predicament to Tigers except their junior players are a bit more developed than ours, a few years ahead. Obviously they decided to change the coach and they got a few key signings.

My mate is a big Sharks fan and I watched the match with him on zoom yesterday. Despite the magnitude of the win, the reality as a Sharks fan is that they are 1 win better so far than Tigers in 2021, and that win was yesterday. He has no confidence that they'll make the finals, nor that they'll be competitive if they do make the finals. He's not entirely sold on Hynes as a starting half and how long Finucane will last, with Sharks basically selling off their original 2021 halves pairing of Johnson and The Chad.

So yeah Sharkies have several million in wasted contracts - Fifita, Dugan, Moylan, Johnson - and half those guys not even playing. That's their own fault, it's not some kind of drastic injury toll, it's also players who are severely out of form and dropped.

We discussed, I think if you play the Tigers Sharks game again next week, same venue, you might get a very different result. Such is the nature of the sides from 7th and down on the ladder. Newcastle may find themselves in the finals and if so their campaign will include two losses to Tigers. Sharks lost to Bulldogs earlier in the year.

None of this is to excuse the Tigers, it's just I don't think Sharks are the poster boys for how to improve. We need to be comparing ourselves to the Top 4 and really nobody else.

I agree with this ?. Thier wingers absolutely destroyed us yesterday . How often do they have that kind of affect on the result .

 

[coivtny]

Kent just said BJ and Roberts signings were not consulted to madge.

No wonder this club is a mess. Whoever made that decision needs to go

If that's true it shows just how dysfunctional this club is. How could you sign two players without knowing the coach valued them as players? How can a coach be accountable if he doesn't have a huge say in the players he wants? I don't believe Kent is correct.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I’ve seen this comment a number of times now but with no elaboration. Would love some structures or plays detailed to show was Madge outcoached?


Apparently Sharks had a master plan to punch through the middle with wingers and Tigers didn't see it coming? No team ever has wingers take hitups...

Yea , the plan was run at Walters , when the front rowers are caught at the ruck . He should have been hooked after the first try . Especially considering they’d just had the half time break , and Simpkins had had a 30 min rest by that point .

 

[jirskyr]

Kent just said BJ and Roberts signings were not consulted to madge.

No wonder this club is a mess. Whoever made that decision needs to go

If that's true it shows just how dysfunctional this club is. How could you sign two players without knowing the coach valued them as players? How can a coach be accountable if he doesn't have a huge say in the players he wants? I don't believe Kent is correct.

Aye but is it true?

 

[hsvjones]

So after Watching the Ennis thing on FoxSports its hard to argue with what they said and he has the runs under the belt to make these comments.
They acknowledged our junior recruitment and I have been saying for ages we need to get in some hard nose NRL experience players to help development them. I know people have been asking for Madge to be sacked but lets be fair here because in his first 3 seasons here he has had some terrible salary cap problems and the Marquee players on our books have really given nothing - Packer, Reynolds, Mbye, etc... We could of had Belly or Robinson here and I still think the same problems exist. For me personally I think Pascoe is the one that should be held accountable for this mess and he seems to be the one involved in player recruitment and that just falls over every time. I believe Madge finds a player he needs and talks to him enough to get him in the door for it to fall over when finalising a deal or NO deal in our case. Happen to many times to say this is not a problem..

I can understand the noise for Madge but for me I think next year is the deal breaker for Madge but I also think as a club we need to get over past BAD deals and try again.. If there is a player out there that WILL add to this team and I mean leadership, Demands excellence, Team first attitude we have to pay overs for this player as we will not get him if we don't. I am not saying paying massive over for like 3 players like Dogs have done but gee wiz we need to start the domino effect somehow.

Players I would not mind paying over for are - B Smith or H Grant, Manu, I would even look at Thompson if Dogs are contributing..

I know all won't agree but thats just my thoughts

 

[jirskyr]

Mavrick Gyer (son of Mark after) apparently creating a lot of buzz and might leave Panthers to take up an opportunity at Melbourne

Should we maybe come to the party with more money and the potential to get game time….

Apparently the best player coming through the Jersey Flegg league

Who calls their kid Mavrick? Not even how you spell the word. What some parents do to their poor kids.

 

[coivtny]

Kent just said BJ and Roberts signings were not consulted to madge.

No wonder this club is a mess. Whoever made that decision needs to go

If that's true it shows just how dysfunctional this club is. How could you sign two players without knowing the coach valued them as players? How can a coach be accountable if he doesn't have a huge say in the players he wants? I don't believe Kent is correct.

Aye but is it true?

I'm saying no but, then again, nothing about WT surprises me.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Kent just said BJ and Roberts signings were not consulted to madge.

No wonder this club is a mess. Whoever made that decision needs to go

If that's true it shows just how dysfunctional this club is. How could you sign two players without knowing the coach valued them as players? How can a coach be accountable if he doesn't have a huge say in the players he wants? I don't believe Kent is correct.

It screams a moneyball , type decision if true . And that’s a big IF. Hang on wasn’t there a photo of Jimmy having lunch with Madge , prior to us signing him ?

 

[Milky]

Imagine if Madge had some brains.
We could've done some recruiting and opened up with

1 Laurie
2 Corey Thompson
3 Paul Momorovski
4 Hymel Hunt or some one
5 Kane Bradley

Instead of BJ, Jet, Others.

Don’t make me downvote you lol

Haha some one beat ya to it...

Long contracts for guys like Nofo.
Stay suffering.

Surely someone will pick up Nofo for 350k, I’m happy to pay 200k per year to get him outta here…

 

[hsvjones]

Mavrick Gyer (son of Mark after) apparently creating a lot of buzz and might leave Panthers to take up an opportunity at Melbourne

Should we maybe come to the party with more money and the potential to get game time….

Apparently the best player coming through the Jersey Flegg league

Mark was on the radio yesterday and they were talking about his son and he stays out of this contract stuff apparently.. He did say he has 2 very good clubs chasing him in Storm and Panthers so very unlikely he comes here with our current situation.