Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Harvey]

We only have to look at some of the finds who will be joining us next year to realise how much we have improved. There is the young PNG winger from Brisbane, the centre Dudley Dotoi from FNQ, Chris Faagutu from Marsden and one of his team mates plus the young prop from Keebra. Years gone by we would be lamenting this talent going elsewhere. Now it is the other QLD teams lamenting the loss of this great talent to WTs. If this is failure, please bring on more of it!

A good start, but in reality none of these players mean anything until they establish themselves in first grade and commit to the club longer term.

Remember the talents of Delouise Hoeter & Lamar Liolavave. Remember when we signed gun youngsters like Australian schoolboys star Dylan Smith or NSW u/18 rep Kane Bradley?

If I was a young bloke the wests tigers are a great place to kick start a career. Given the roster turnover and the inability to sign established talent, there will likely be opportunities to put yourself in the shop window and then take your pick of opportunities available.

 

[TheDaBoss]

The Lebanese, PNG english Tigers

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We only have to look at some of the finds who will be joining us next year to realise how much we have improved. There is the young PNG winger from Brisbane, the centre Dudley Dotoi from FNQ, Chris Faagutu from Marsden and one of his team mates plus the young prop from Keebra. Years gone by we would be lamenting this talent going elsewhere. Now it is the other QLD teams lamenting the loss of this great talent to WTs. If this is failure, please bring on more of it!

A good start, but in reality none of these players mean anything until they establish themselves in first grade and commit to the club longer term.

Remember the talents of Delouise Hoeter & Lamar Liolavave. Remember when we signed gun youngsters like Australian schoolboys star Dylan Smith or NSW u/18 rep Kane Bradley?

If I was a young bloke the wests tigers are a great place to kick start a career. Given the roster turnover and the inability to sign established talent, there will likely be opportunities to put yourself in the shop window and then take your pick of opportunities available.

Good post. WTs does offer young players a good chance at the NRL. The quality of our junior recruitment appears to have improved markedly based on results this year. I think Dillon and Scolari are probably the only two remaining from the David Warwick era? Perhaps someone can confirm it?

The work done on pathways and bringing Sheens, Kimmorely and Betsy into the fold is excellent.

The big concern for me is when they hit our NRL team. If the article in the SMH is true, Maguire's position is untenable. It was untenable anyway.

 

[Roar_Power]

I actually like Madge and what he is doing here. Our poor recruitment history under his guidance is the major concern.

If the NRL squad doesn't build on this season in 2022, I think he will be flicked. There is a lot of pressure on him to get results out of this side. With 4 spots remaining to fill and a bag of cash, he really needs to lure some form players before pre-season.

 

[Tiger5150]

Disappointing to see a number of our best performers in the undefeated flegg side are not signed up.

Ogden, Hill, Pole not signed for next year (yet) and we’ve already lost Tuifua.

Pole has been signed for next year, Ogden’s manager met with Hartigan last week and Hill is highly rated by the club

From what I've heard Hill has literally been offered a bag of peanuts to stay at the club next season and there are other clubs now circling as they see an opportunity.

I would love to see Hill stay - the kid is talented and we lack serious depth on the wing, and he's a genuine finisher. I'll be filthy if the club don't retain and the imbecile in charge of retaining juniors should be out the door.

Agreed but wouldn't that be Hartigan?

Not sure - not impressed with him either way so far.

Hartigan’s an absolute myth.

This is what everyone that I know at the club tells me. I thought he was a good operator.

Really, what do they say?

Smart guy out of his depth. Hardly a vote of confidence bringing in sheens.

I remember Gould saying something a little while back when we signed Sheens. It was in code, but talked about needing footy experience in admin. At the time I thought he was talking about Hartigan.

Its funny because Hartigan gets a great wrap by those in the know on the forum like @cochise

The TPJ thing where we we in, then out, gave me the impression there isn't the one man making the big decisions.

Hartigan is crucial for this club moving forward, he knows what he is talking about and has the guts to back it up. I have more faith in him than anyone else employed in the club and that includes Tim Sheens.

Mate, whilst I don’t known Hartigan at all, I hear from multiple sources that he is very good at what he does.

Cochise, do you have any truth or explanation to help us understand Simon woolfoods comments regarding hartigan, that he couldn’t get him to return a phone call or email to himself (player manager).

I’m sure there is more to this, as his reputation is the opposite of this. Hoping you can shed some light ?‍♂️?

It's worth noting that Simon Woolford is coaching Wagga Kangaroos and not a legitimate player manager. He was trying to get a couple of deals for some British players from his short ill fated coaching stint over there.

Every chance that Hartigan didn't get back to him coz Simon's a flog who doesn't actually represent the players he was spruiking. But that doesn't suit Pooper's agenda

THat is exactly my take on it

 

[Rowdy12]

My understanding is that whilst at the roosters Hartigan signed the likes of Latrell, Manu, Taukiehuo, Toupianua, Collins, Momirovski, Watson etc. His man focus is getting the best 16-19 year olds and developing them into NRL players. Considering our Flegg side was undefeated this year and 60-70% of them came from other clubs it appears he is doing the same thing for us.

 

[Harvey]

My understanding is that whilst at the roosters Hartigan signed the likes of Latrell, Manu, Taukiehuo, Toupianua, Collins, Momirovski, Watson etc. His man focus is getting the best 16-19 year olds and developing them into NRL players. Considering our Flegg side was undefeated this year and 60-70% of them came from other clubs it appears he is doing the same thing for us.

Next step is retaining those players so they come through with us rather than other clubs.

 

[Snake]

My understanding is that whilst at the roosters Hartigan signed the likes of Latrell, Manu, Taukiehuo, Toupianua, Collins, Momirovski, Watson etc. His man focus is getting the best 16-19 year olds and developing them into NRL players. Considering our Flegg side was undefeated this year and 60-70% of them came from other clubs it appears he is doing the same thing for us.

Next step is retaining those players so they come through with us rather than other clubs.

Well the club could start that by not giving long contracts to duds like Nuffie as the younger players do not see there pathway blocked ! Then they do look at other options.

 

[Tiger5150]

I have dealt with him when my young bloke was at Roosters. He shouldn’t be anywhere near a senior squad. He couldn’t nail any role at the Roosters and was moved around for a couple of years. Whoever signed him to the GM role should be shown the door. Please tell me how you see him as the way forward. He failed in his roles at Roosters

Could you please tell us what he specifically does to make him fail. What was he like in your dealings with him to not like him?

Im guessing didnt rate his son

 

[Snake]

I have dealt with him when my young bloke was at Roosters. He shouldn’t be anywhere near a senior squad. He couldn’t nail any role at the Roosters and was moved around for a couple of years. Whoever signed him to the GM role should be shown the door. Please tell me how you see him as the way forward. He failed in his roles at Roosters

Could you please tell us what he specifically does to make him fail. What was he like in your dealings with him to not like him?

Im guessing didnt rate his son

Sour grapes??

 

[Tiger_claws]

I have dealt with him when my young bloke was at Roosters. He shouldn’t be anywhere near a senior squad. He couldn’t nail any role at the Roosters and was moved around for a couple of years. Whoever signed him to the GM role should be shown the door. Please tell me how you see him as the way forward. He failed in his roles at Roosters

 

[Harvey]

I have dealt with him when my young bloke was at Roosters. He shouldn’t be anywhere near a senior squad. He couldn’t nail any role at the Roosters and was moved around for a couple of years. Whoever signed him to the GM role should be shown the door. Please tell me how you see him as the way forward. He failed in his roles at Roosters

Could you please tell us what he specifically does to make him fail. What was he like in your dealings with him to not like him?

Im guessing didnt rate his son

Be interested to hear a bit more detail. Maybe it was similar to the commentary around Hill, suffered an injury and was basically discarded.

 

[Lukic]

Plot twist: It's Luke Brooks' dad and he's filthy Hartigan's come to move his son on again.

 

[Tiger_claws]

No sour grapes here. My son was a solid 20s player but was never going to cut it at NRL level. I witnessed Hartigan implement a program for 12,13 and 14 year olds. It was thrown out 18 months later and Brian Gray returned to junior management to undo the mess. I then saw first hand Hartigan coach. The training standards he and his assistant Anasta had wouldn’t cut it in park footy. Lucky the Roosters had Tony Barnes and Artie Kitinas to fix up the rubbish Hartigan had coached into players. Also for the record Latrell wasn’t signed by Hartigan his manager at the time Steve Deacon dealt directly with Peter O’Sullivan as did my son. I am also pretty sure Manu was signed by O’Sullivan after a recommendation from Craig Walker (kiwi and roosters welfare man at the time. My original post said clearly he shouldn’t be near our top squad and I stand by that on facts and my own observations. He should only be involved in a junior recruitment/scout level. He is in way over his head. Nice bloke but not a GM.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

No sour grapes here. My son was a solid 20s player but was never going to cut it at NRL level. I witnessed Hartigan implement a program for 12,13 and 14 year olds. It was thrown out 18 months later and Brian Gray returned to junior management to undo the mess. I then saw first hand Hartigan coach. The training standards he and his assistant Anasta had wouldn’t cut it in park footy. Lucky the Roosters had Tony Barnes and Artie Kitinas to fix up the rubbish Hartigan had coached into players. Also for the record Latrell wasn’t signed by Hartigan his manager at the time Steve Deacon dealt directly with Peter O’Sullivan as did my son. I am also pretty sure Manu was signed by O’Sullivan after a recommendation from Craig Walker (kiwi and roosters welfare man at the time. My original post said clearly he shouldn’t be near our top squad and I stand by that on facts and my own observations. He should only be involved in a junior recruitment/scout level. He is in way over his head. Nice bloke but not a GM.

Thanks for posting

 

[tony soprano]

No sour grapes here. My son was a solid 20s player but was never going to cut it at NRL level. I witnessed Hartigan implement a program for 12,13 and 14 year olds. It was thrown out 18 months later and Brian Gray returned to junior management to undo the mess. I then saw first hand Hartigan coach. The training standards he and his assistant Anasta had wouldn’t cut it in park footy. Lucky the Roosters had Tony Barnes and Artie Kitinas to fix up the rubbish Hartigan had coached into players. Also for the record Latrell wasn’t signed by Hartigan his manager at the time Steve Deacon dealt directly with Peter O’Sullivan as did my son. I am also pretty sure Manu was signed by O’Sullivan after a recommendation from Craig Walker (kiwi and roosters welfare man at the time. My original post said clearly he shouldn’t be near our top squad and I stand by that on facts and my own observations. He should only be involved in a junior recruitment/scout level. He is in way over his head. Nice bloke but not a GM.

Thanks mate I really appreciate your input/info some on here think hartigan can walk on water with no first hand experience like yourself.

I'd appreciate any further info you have.

 

[Tiger_claws]

All good mate. I don’t want to be a negative poster but I just want to point out what I have experienced. People think it’s sour grapes but my son left roosters for trial and train contract elsewhere. Hartigan was already removed from his position so he had absolutely nothing to do with my son’s decision.

 

[cochise]

Hey Cochise, heard our head of performance is giving it away, gray, (he was tapped I was told), and there getting rid of Ronnie as well, have you heard this?

Ron was expected to transition in to his Pathways role this year, when Hodgo left that all got held up a bit until Betsey and Kimmorley were employed. I would expect him to move into that role next year. I would like to see Farah heavily involved with the 1st grade side, especially the onfield duties.

 

[tony soprano]

All good mate. I don’t want to be a negative poster but I just want to point out what I have experienced. People think it’s sour grapes but my son left roosters for trial and train contract elsewhere. Hartigan was already removed from his position so he had absolutely nothing to do with my son’s decision.

It's fascinating insight.

I just shake my head and think how bad pascoe is with foot all decisions.

Hopefully sheens makes football related decisions from here pascoe should be totally removed from that. Pascoe has been eaten by the wolves with his football decisions has really hurt the club.

 

[cochise]

My understanding is that whilst at the roosters Hartigan signed the likes of Latrell, Manu, Taukiehuo, Toupianua, Collins, Momirovski, Watson etc. His man focus is getting the best 16-19 year olds and developing them into NRL players. Considering our Flegg side was undefeated this year and 60-70% of them came from other clubs it appears he is doing the same thing for us.

Spot on mate, that is why we have invested in the Pathways the way we have to make sure these guys have the best chance of transitioning to the NRL.