Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[jirskyr]

How do we only have 4 spots left for next year that's scary

The fact we’re likely keeping Cini and Roberts is the club waiving the white flag in terms of recruitment

They have to say no to cini and amone.

Amone and Mikaele are the same. Bog average.


Both those players have shown signs they could develop into keepers. imo.

Waiting for some of our players to make a contribution is like leaving the porch light on for Harold Holt.


It is. The alternative is just as painful.
I hope we stop signing players over the age of 27 unless they’re already at the club.
Does anyone know who is responsible for the club’s contractual obligations with new players? Who is ultimately responsible for signing a new player?

Worked for Cronulla with Ennis and Lewis. Just because we got burned by bad decisions once doesnt mean we have to quit making good decisions.

The thing to recognise however is that Cronulla also have a significant number of bad signings - extension of Fifita (understandable at the time but he fell away badly), Dugan, Moylan, Woods, Tolman... you could also argue Johnson. It shows you that it can be a very hit-and-miss strategy within even a single club.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

The biggest recruitment and retention failure we have had revolves around a lack of on field leadership.

We lost Benji Marshall, Chris Lawrence and Elijah Taylor in quick succession.

Other players we had looked at for leadership like Packer, Mautalino, Musgrave,McQueen, Thompson and a couple of others did not work out for one reason or another.

These players were never replaced. All we got was a washed up James Tahmou.

It has been an epic failure to understand what we had lost and do very little to replace it. Imo its the main reason we are where we are right now. A laughing stock!

Regardless of who coaches this mess not much will change without some on field leadership. For that reason we need at least 3 good quality on field leaders.More if we can release some contracted players who arent shaping up.

Hastings and Doueihi are what i would call on field leaders but we need to add to that.

Tariqu Sims is a must.

Luke Thompson and John Bateman would also help if we could fluke one of them.

The cupboard is pretty bare, we have left it too late to identify the problem.

Hopefully a couple more senior players are set to be shopped around, we sure as hell need them.

In hindsight Finucane would have been perfect however the 4yrs he wanted is way too many.

I would take his 4 years with heart and leadership against the 4 years of Noffa running sideways and looking at himself in the big screens

Look at Stefano being around finucane for a few weeks and how that developed his game. Finucane was a must for us. The exact leader from a winning culture we needed. I know we got burnt by tamou but you can’t compare the two players.

I don't buy that at all.

You reckon Stefano goes into Origin camp for a week, meets Dale Finucane and suddenly he comes out a better player? 9 months with the Tigers coach doesn't do it, a week with Dale Finucane gets the job done?

I'm not saying going into camp isn't valuable, of course it is, but to suggest a week in camp takes a player immediately to another level - I don't buy that one bit.

exactly it is played out in the media that Dale is so great and good leader so we pay overs then he gets injured and the media are like oh wests tigers bought the wrong type of player again.
Stef played well because he is a very good player who is gaining experience

 

[Demps]

How do we only have 4 spots left for next year that's scary

The fact we’re likely keeping Cini and Roberts is the club waiving the white flag in terms of recruitment

They have to say no to cini and amone.

Amone and Mikaele are the same. Bog average.


Both those players have shown signs they could develop into keepers. imo.

Waiting for some of our players to make a contribution is like leaving the porch light on for Harold Holt.


It is. The alternative is just as painful.
I hope we stop signing players over the age of 27 unless they’re already at the club.
Does anyone know who is responsible for the club’s contractual obligations with new players? Who is ultimately responsible for signing a new player?

Worked for Cronulla with Ennis and Lewis. Just because we got burned by bad decisions once doesnt mean we have to quit making good decisions.

The thing to recognise however is that Cronulla also have a significant number of bad signings - extension of Fifita (understandable at the time but he fell away badly), Dugan, Moylan, Woods, Tolman... you could also argue Johnson. It shows you that it can be a very hit-and-miss strategy within even a single club.

Wow.
Indeed.

Those names mentioned ???

Hynes, Finucane and Mciness though ???

Had some form with their juniors coming along nicely.

Will Kennedy has been great and Trindal who came through the Storm system has been showing some class.

A lot of dead wood like you mentioned but a lot of luck going there way with other recruits and players coming through.
Unlucky to miss the finals but who cares, I hate the sharks.

 

[TigerWest]

How do we only have 4 spots left for next year that's scary

The fact we’re likely keeping Cini and Roberts is the club waiving the white flag in terms of recruitment

They have to say no to cini and amone.

Amone and Mikaele are the same. Bog average.


Both those players have shown signs they could develop into keepers. imo.

Waiting for some of our players to make a contribution is like leaving the porch light on for Harold Holt.


It is. The alternative is just as painful.
I hope we stop signing players over the age of 27 unless they’re already at the club.
Does anyone know who is responsible for the club’s contractual obligations with new players? Who is ultimately responsible for signing a new player?

As I understand it, Hartigan (after discussion with Madge) put forward a proposal to Pascoe and the board for sign off?
I seem to remember that that was a bit of an issue, because of some lag time in getting the green light?
Pretty sure this was brought about because of Ivan?

So the experts get approval from the pen pushers.

From the blokes who control the money? Probably thank Ivan for that?

 

[happy_tiger]

Bullimore to sign 3 yr deal with Manly .....

 

[twentyforty]

How do we only have 4 spots left for next year that's scary

The fact we’re likely keeping Cini and Roberts is the club waiving the white flag in terms of recruitment

They have to say no to cini and amone.

Amone and Mikaele are the same. Bog average.


Both those players have shown signs they could develop into keepers. imo.

Waiting for some of our players to make a contribution is like leaving the porch light on for Harold Holt.


It is. The alternative is just as painful.
I hope we stop signing players over the age of 27 unless they’re already at the club.
Does anyone know who is responsible for the club’s contractual obligations with new players? Who is ultimately responsible for signing a new player?

As I understand it, Hartigan (after discussion with Madge) put forward a proposal to Pascoe and the board for sign off?
I seem to remember that that was a bit of an issue, because of some lag time in getting the green light?
Pretty sure this was brought about because of Ivan?

So the experts get approval from the pen pushers.

Surprised?
Just like the process most organisations use for major expenditure items which may have implications for further developments.
What you going to have the Coach to make the decision on his own? Way to disaster.

Comparing football with commerce is getting us places.


It seems logical that Hartigan would have the responsibility of identifying and hiring in collaboration with Madge. I’m curious now, at what stage of the process would the board be made aware of Hartigan’s intentions? And what is the scope of the boards involvement, other than monitoring expenditures?

Let’s deal with an actual example?
Hartigan, Maguire and Pascoe travel to QLD, presumably to show interest in TPJ.
What happened after that?
Why did the chair need to make a public announcement stating WT did not make an offer? Was he acting on board instructions?
Why then, did media reports indicate that we were back in the race? After we were advised of a divided club over this contract proposal?
The point is, if responsibilities are grey and/or being usurped, how can any of us accurately rate an individual performance?

 

[TigerWest]

The biggest recruitment and retention failure we have had revolves around a lack of on field leadership.

We lost Benji Marshall, Chris Lawrence and Elijah Taylor in quick succession.

Other players we had looked at for leadership like Packer, Mautalino, Musgrave,McQueen, Thompson and a couple of others did not work out for one reason or another.

These players were never replaced. All we got was a washed up James Tahmou.

It has been an epic failure to understand what we had lost and do very little to replace it. Imo its the main reason we are where we are right now. A laughing stock!

Regardless of who coaches this mess not much will change without some on field leadership. For that reason we need at least 3 good quality on field leaders.More if we can release some contracted players who arent shaping up.

Hastings and Doueihi are what i would call on field leaders but we need to add to that.

Tariqu Sims is a must.

Luke Thompson and John Bateman would also help if we could fluke one of them.

The cupboard is pretty bare, we have left it too late to identify the problem.

Hopefully a couple more senior players are set to be shopped around, we sure as hell need them.

In hindsight Finucane would have been perfect however the 4yrs he wanted is way too many.

I would take his 4 years with heart and leadership against the 4 years of Noffa running sideways and looking at himself in the big screens

Look at Stefano being around finucane for a few weeks and how that developed his game. Finucane was a must for us. The exact leader from a winning culture we needed. I know we got burnt by tamou but you can’t compare the two players.

I don't buy that at all.

You reckon Stefano goes into Origin camp for a week, meets Dale Finucane and suddenly he comes out a better player? 9 months with the Tigers coach doesn't do it, a week with Dale Finucane gets the job done?

I'm not saying going into camp isn't valuable, of course it is, but to suggest a week in camp takes a player immediately to another level - I don't buy that one bit.

I thought Brandy was taking all the credit, if you listen to him in commentary ?

 

[twentyforty]

The biggest recruitment and retention failure we have had revolves around a lack of on field leadership.

We lost Benji Marshall, Chris Lawrence and Elijah Taylor in quick succession.

Other players we had looked at for leadership like Packer, Mautalino, Musgrave,McQueen, Thompson and a couple of others did not work out for one reason or another.

These players were never replaced. All we got was a washed up James Tahmou.

It has been an epic failure to understand what we had lost and do very little to replace it. Imo its the main reason we are where we are right now. A laughing stock!

Regardless of who coaches this mess not much will change without some on field leadership. For that reason we need at least 3 good quality on field leaders.More if we can release some contracted players who arent shaping up.

Hastings and Doueihi are what i would call on field leaders but we need to add to that.

Tariqu Sims is a must.

Luke Thompson and John Bateman would also help if we could fluke one of them.

The cupboard is pretty bare, we have left it too late to identify the problem.

Hopefully a couple more senior players are set to be shopped around, we sure as hell need them.

In hindsight Finucane would have been perfect however the 4yrs he wanted is way too many.

I would take his 4 years with heart and leadership against the 4 years of Noffa running sideways and looking at himself in the big screens

Look at Stefano being around finucane for a few weeks and how that developed his game. Finucane was a must for us. The exact leader from a winning culture we needed. I know we got burnt by tamou but you can’t compare the two players.

I don't buy that at all.

You reckon Stefano goes into Origin camp for a week, meets Dale Finucane and suddenly he comes out a better player? 9 months with the Tigers coach doesn't do it, a week with Dale Finucane gets the job done?

I'm not saying going into camp isn't valuable, of course it is, but to suggest a week in camp takes a player immediately to another level - I don't buy that one bit.

I thought Brandy was taking all the credit, if you listen to him in commentary ?

The only people not taking any credit are the Eels

 

[bptiger 0]

Here’s something just out of left field , try and convince the Morris twins to play one more year and offer them a coaching roll after that , I think they would have a great affect on our young backline , sign woods and Simms for two years if they don’t want to much money , I think we could get a winning culture out of that four while we chase some younger talent .

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Here’s something just out of left field , try and convince the Morris twins to play one more year and offer them a coaching roll after that , I think they would have a great affect on our young backline , sign woods and Simms for two years if they don’t want to much money , I think we could get a winning culture out of that four while we chase some younger talent .

No way will Brett play again. Josh, highly unlikely.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

Here’s something just out of left field , try and convince the Morris twins to play one more year and offer them a coaching roll after that , I think they would have a great affect on our young backline , sign woods and Simms for two years if they don’t want to much money , I think we could get a winning culture out of that four while we chase some younger talent .

I think I’m going to be sick…..

 

[Demps]

Here’s something just out of left field , try and convince the Morris twins to play one more year and offer them a coaching roll after that , I think they would have a great affect on our young backline , sign woods and Simms for two years if they don’t want to much money , I think we could get a winning culture out of that four while we chase some younger talent .

Morris twins ?

One legit had his career ended this year. Lol.

 

[jadtiger]

Here’s something just out of left field , try and convince the Morris twins to play one more year and offer them a coaching roll after that , I think they would have a great affect on our young backline , sign woods and Simms for two years if they don’t want to much money , I think we could get a winning culture out of that four while we chase some younger talent .

Pass

 

[tigerman 0]

Surey we can also get Cliffy Lyons out of retirement to mentor AD too. Still has a good short kicking game apparently

 

[TYGA]

Bullimore to sign 3 yr deal with Manly .....

That’s the type of player we need to sign.

 

[crazycat]

How do we only have 4 spots left for next year that's scary

The fact we’re likely keeping Cini and Roberts is the club waiving the white flag in terms of recruitment

They have to say no to cini and amone.

Amone and Mikaele are the same. Bog average.


Both those players have shown signs they could develop into keepers. imo.

Waiting for some of our players to make a contribution is like leaving the porch light on for Harold Holt.


It is. The alternative is just as painful.
I hope we stop signing players over the age of 27 unless they’re already at the club.
Does anyone know who is responsible for the club’s contractual obligations with new players? Who is ultimately responsible for signing a new player?

As I understand it, Hartigan (after discussion with Madge) put forward a proposal to Pascoe and the board for sign off?
I seem to remember that that was a bit of an issue, because of some lag time in getting the green light?
Pretty sure this was brought about because of Ivan?

So the experts get approval from the pen pushers.

Surprised?
Just like the process most organisations use for major expenditure items which may have implications for further developments.
What you going to have the Coach to make the decision on his own? Way to disaster.

Comparing football with commerce is getting us places.


It seems logical that Hartigan would have the responsibility of identifying and hiring in collaboration with Madge. I’m curious now, at what stage of the process would the board be made aware of Hartigan’s intentions? And what is the scope of the boards involvement, other than monitoring expenditures?

Let’s deal with an actual example?
Hartigan, Maguire and Pascoe travel to QLD, presumably to show interest in TPJ.
What happened after that?
Why did the chair need to make a public announcement stating WT did not make an offer? Was he acting on board instructions?
Why then, did media reports indicate that we were back in the race? After we were advised of a divided club over this contract proposal?
The point is, if responsibilities are grey and/or being usurped, how can any of us accurately rate an individual performance?

It's a point, but really no one is doing a bid like that by themselves.
Yes we can't ask McGuire why we did not sign TPJ without asking Pascoe and Hartigan.

Ultimately it comes down to motivation. If I was TPJ and I got offered "have a premiership ring with Penrith then join the Dogs for 3 years with Burton and the Fox" I am a little excited. VS sign up with the Tigers, play with Joe O and Tamou...

I cannot see us, getting TPJ's signature when the Dogs make an offer like that. It is one clever move.

So what do we do?

IMHO, players like to play with friends. Sign people in similar playing groups. Engage in a similar mentality to Fortress Manly. Wests Tigers did this before and we did not realise it.
Chris Heighington, Fulton, Keith Galloway did not move around very much till Chris H left the tigers. We had a solid stable pack for a long time (problems, yes but stability). You add Ellis and Payten you realise how formidable that pack was.
Then you add Juniors like Fifita and Woods and we go to the top 4.

When Chris Heighington left, the fortress mentality was broken. People like playing with their friends and you can negotiate a salary accordingly. Sure some will be poached with stupid offers, but they have to make overs to get them away.

^the Big 4 destroyed that mentality. We should have realized that Mitch Moses did not want to play here no matter who his uncle was. Then the pushing out of Farah, Marshall, etc.
Now what, we became mercenary made good signings and wow were 13th.

I don't know how we make a group like what we had. How we form a group of forwards that like to play with each other and keep some stability in the back line. I do know we have to STOP with single year plans.

Forget about the 8.

Focus on team development and defense. Get the right players, the right leadership and the right coaches to bring the most out of them. But accept a 3 year plan and front end the cap accordingly. Yes I am talking 2024.

 

[twentyforty]

How do we only have 4 spots left for next year that's scary

The fact we’re likely keeping Cini and Roberts is the club waiving the white flag in terms of recruitment

They have to say no to cini and amone.

Amone and Mikaele are the same. Bog average.


Both those players have shown signs they could develop into keepers. imo.

Waiting for some of our players to make a contribution is like leaving the porch light on for Harold Holt.


It is. The alternative is just as painful.
I hope we stop signing players over the age of 27 unless they’re already at the club.
Does anyone know who is responsible for the club’s contractual obligations with new players? Who is ultimately responsible for signing a new player?

As I understand it, Hartigan (after discussion with Madge) put forward a proposal to Pascoe and the board for sign off?
I seem to remember that that was a bit of an issue, because of some lag time in getting the green light?
Pretty sure this was brought about because of Ivan?

So the experts get approval from the pen pushers.

Surprised?
Just like the process most organisations use for major expenditure items which may have implications for further developments.
What you going to have the Coach to make the decision on his own? Way to disaster.

Comparing football with commerce is getting us places.


It seems logical that Hartigan would have the responsibility of identifying and hiring in collaboration with Madge. I’m curious now, at what stage of the process would the board be made aware of Hartigan’s intentions? And what is the scope of the boards involvement, other than monitoring expenditures?

Let’s deal with an actual example?
Hartigan, Maguire and Pascoe travel to QLD, presumably to show interest in TPJ.
What happened after that?
Why did the chair need to make a public announcement stating WT did not make an offer? Was he acting on board instructions?
Why then, did media reports indicate that we were back in the race? After we were advised of a divided club over this contract proposal?
The point is, if responsibilities are grey and/or being usurped, how can any of us accurately rate an individual performance?

It's a point, but really no one is doing a bid like that by themselves.
Yes we can't ask McGuire why we did not sign TPJ without asking Pascoe and Hartigan.

Ultimately it comes down to motivation. If I was TPJ and I got offered "have a premiership ring with Penrith then join the Dogs for 3 years with Burton and the Fox" I am a little excited. VS sign up with the Tigers, play with Joe O and Tamou...

I cannot see us, getting TPJ's signature when the Dogs make an offer like that. It is one clever move.

So what do we do?

IMHO, players like to play with friends. Sign people in similar playing groups. Engage in a similar mentality to Fortress Manly. Wests Tigers did this before and we did not realise it.
Chris Heighington, Fulton, Keith Galloway did not move around very much till Chris H left the tigers. We had a solid stable pack for a long time (problems, yes but stability). You add Ellis and Payten you realise how formidable that pack was.
Then you add Juniors like Fifita and Woods and we go to the top 4.

When Chris Heighington left, the fortress mentality was broken. People like playing with their friends and you can negotiate a salary accordingly. Sure some will be poached with stupid offers, but they have to make overs to get them away.

^the Big 4 destroyed that mentality. We should have realized that Mitch Moses did not want to play here no matter who his uncle was. Then the pushing out of Farah, Marshall, etc.
Now what, we became mercenary made good signings and wow were 13th.

I don't know how we make a group like what we had. How we form a group of forwards that like to play with each other and keep some stability in the back line. I do know we have to STOP with single year plans.

Forget about the 8.

Focus on team development and defense. Get the right players, the right leadership and the right coaches to bring the most out of them. But accept a 3 year plan and front end the cap accordingly. Yes I am talking 2024.

I don’t disagree with any of that, you’ve made a couple of good points. I kind of think in terms of building a house, as opposed to painting it. If I may? Firstly, you lay the foundations and build from the ground up. When painting it you paint from the top down. We don’t have strong foundations but we insist on painting to make it look good.

 

[BZN]

It’s perfect. Sheens to stay on for parthways and mentor Ciraldo when Bennett is gone. Look it all comes down to $$$$ and we need to give these guys whatever they ask for to defect

$$$ dont buy happiness @Eyeofthetiger-0

 

[BZN]


Much disrespect to MCK.
Should've had his own banner.

Lumping him with Plodders & Nuffies is a scummy move...

Honestly, the graphic is good.
MCK in the middle.

About the only one I'd consider to have actually had a go whilst he was here.
The others are all forgettable.

Good luck to him at Souths.
Ultimate 18th man.
??

MCK and Brooks are very similar in some ways @Demps
Both have played brilliant games but not enough 'good games'.


.

 

[supercoach]

Here’s something just out of left field , try and convince the Morris twins to play one more year and offer them a coaching roll after that , I think they would have a great affect on our young backline , sign woods and Simms for two years if they don’t want to much money , I think we could get a winning culture out of that four while we chase some younger talent .

No way will Brett play again. Josh, highly unlikely.

DBuy both and use one for spare sparts