Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[426Tlgerland]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

 

[jrtiger]

So the mate who is off contract at the end of the year would rather sit out or play koe cup or wotever to avoid playing under Madge ??, he is def not the kind of player that we need here

I never said he hasn't got a contract for next year. I spoke to him at the time that he was off contract earlier this year.

Don't worry mate, I believe you. A player could go on national television and say "I do not want to play for Michael Maguire" and people on here would say he was lying.

thanks mate. just a bit disappointing anytime someone gives info that they're downvoted into oblivion and called out and dismissed. I don't necessarily agree with my mate by any stretch but he has his opinion and he's more than entitled to it.

 

[tigerbalm]

So the mate who is off contract at the end of the year would rather sit out or play koe cup or wotever to avoid playing under Madge ??, he is def not the kind of player that we need here

I never said he hasn't got a contract for next year. I spoke to him at the time that he was off contract earlier this year.

Don't worry mate, I believe you. A player could go on national television and say "I do not want to play for Michael Maguire" and people on here would say he was lying.

thanks mate. just a bit disappointing anytime someone gives info that they're downvoted into oblivion and called out and dismissed. I don't necessarily agree with my mate by any stretch but he has his opinion and he's more than entitled to it.

Does your mate's name rhyme with Barry Plant?

 

[avocadoontoast]

So the mate who is off contract at the end of the year would rather sit out or play koe cup or wotever to avoid playing under Madge ??, he is def not the kind of player that we need here

I never said he hasn't got a contract for next year. I spoke to him at the time that he was off contract earlier this year.

Don't worry mate, I believe you. A player could go on national television and say "I do not want to play for Michael Maguire" and people on here would say he was lying.

thanks mate. just a bit disappointing anytime someone gives info that they're downvoted into oblivion and called out and dismissed. I don't necessarily agree with my mate by any stretch but he has his opinion and he's more than entitled to it.

Don't let the downvotes bother you, I appreciate the info and I think most other people on here do too. Some people on here are in denial.

 

[jrtiger]

So the mate who is off contract at the end of the year would rather sit out or play koe cup or wotever to avoid playing under Madge ??, he is def not the kind of player that we need here

I never said he hasn't got a contract for next year. I spoke to him at the time that he was off contract earlier this year.

Don't worry mate, I believe you. A player could go on national television and say "I do not want to play for Michael Maguire" and people on here would say he was lying.

thanks mate. just a bit disappointing anytime someone gives info that they're downvoted into oblivion and called out and dismissed. I don't necessarily agree with my mate by any stretch but he has his opinion and he's more than entitled to it.

Does your mate's name rhyme with Barry Plant?

haha not Harry mate. wish I was mates with him! seems a legend. he used to live in the Gong like me but unfortunately I never saw him out as he was stuck in the bubble. I live in hope we can lure him back someday. I actually think he was a better player last year than he was this year, but that might come down to teams doing their homework. I'd be throwing the bank at him come November 1.

 

[PabloX]

Thanks for the info @jrtiger.

I wonder if Bellamy is also considered an intense coach? I'm guessing your mate would play for the storm if he got the chance?

 

[tigerbalm]

Thanks for the info @jrtiger.

I wonder if Bellamy is also considered an intense coach? I'm guessing your mate would play for the storm if he got the chance?

I'd imagine winning rings for each finger and a jet ski's for each garage would help alleviate any issues with the coach.

 

[Telltails]

So the mate who is off contract at the end of the year would rather sit out or play koe cup or wotever to avoid playing under Madge ??, he is def not the kind of player that we need here

I never said he hasn't got a contract for next year. I spoke to him at the time that he was off contract earlier this year.

Don't worry mate, I believe you. A player could go on national television and say "I do not want to play for Michael Maguire" and people on here would say he was lying.

thanks mate. just a bit disappointing anytime someone gives info that they're downvoted into oblivion and called out and dismissed. I don't necessarily agree with my mate by any stretch but he has his opinion and he's more than entitled to it.

We have all heard the the rumours about Maguire and when you are losing they manifest. It won't matter how many players back him until he gets some results it's the negative stuff that will always be most potent.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I take downvotes as a badge of honour. To think you’ve ruffled someone’s feathers enough that they need to downvote, instead of verbalising why they disagree is funny to me

 

[jrtiger]

Thanks for the info @jrtiger.

I wonder if Bellamy is also considered an intense coach? I'm guessing your mate would play for the storm if he got the chance?

we never really spoke about the Storm if I'm honest. I've got a few mates in and around first grade and for the most part the last thing they wanna talk about when they get a moment to spare is footy because its just about all they do. I just asked him if he'd ever consider WT, because well, I'm a diehard. doubt there's many players who wouldn't want to go to the Storm.

 

[DJG]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

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[Pascoes_barber]

We're not signing anyone.

 

[Needaname]

So the mate who is off contract at the end of the year would rather sit out or play koe cup or wotever to avoid playing under Madge ??, he is def not the kind of player that we need here

I never said he hasn't got a contract for next year. I spoke to him at the time that he was off contract earlier this year.

I wonder how close we can get to figuring out this mate of yours. Did he re sign with his current club?

 

[Newtown]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

The Pom had the wrong oil on the Madge continuation.

 

[PJ_]

I'd still take Munster

 

[yeahcaz]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

I don’t know but I do know one thing, he has never posted when someone has asked him.

I don’t understand this rhetoric that signing a player would lift our spirits. If any of the current players off contract get you excited, seek help. All rubbish and ratbags. Wouldn’t care if we went into next season with the same squad bar Hastings and gildart

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

I don’t know but I do know one thing, he has never posted when someone has asked him.

I don’t understand this rhetoric that signing a player would lift our spirits. If any of the current players off contract get you excited, seek help. All rubbish and ratbags. Wouldn’t care if we went into next season with the same squad bar Hastings and gildart

It’s probably my biggest pet hate when people call for him to give an update. If he’s not posting, it’s for a reason. He posts when he’s ready.

 

[2041]

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .

The NSWRL introduced a draft in 1991. Some players and coaches challenged it in the courts and the High Court upheld the challenge and the draft was thrown out. It lasted a year.

Fast forward to today. Imagine, say, Easts and other glamour clubs being denied the opportunity to pick the eyes out of the best juniors. How long before Polites challenged it in the courts ?

The only reason a draft works in the AFL is because everybody is prepared to accept it. It wouldn't survive if it were challenged in the courts.

That is not necessarily true, restraints of trade can win court challenges if they can be proven to be fair and reasonable. Examples of arguments for fair and reasonable restraints of trade include that they are important for the viability of the organisation and thus actually protect wages. It is why the salary cap would likely survive a legal challenge. If a sporting organisation could argue that the competition is more viable because of a draft than it could possibly survive a legal challenge.

I guess it’s theoretically possible to design a draft that will survive a court challenge in Australia. Or perhaps it would be better to get everyone’s agreement beforehand not to challenge it in the courts (similar to the AFL).

From time to time the NRL has re-considered a draft, but has not pressed on. I suspect because it sees the challenges which would be difficult, if not impossible, to overcome.

As you say, the viability of the NRL is an important consideration, which the court is obliged to consider. This was raised in the original case. However, the appeal Court found that while the NSWRL was seeking to assist the evenness of the competition, the Court did not accept that the draft was necessary to ensure the financial stability of the clubs.

You also mention that a draft could be approved if demonstrated to be fair and reasonable. But this was the sticking point on appeal. Part of this was the way the draft had been designed, but the fundamental objection for the court was that the draft is contrary to the common law principle that parties should be free to trade as they wish.

Justice Wilcox held that if you are compelling a person to enter into the service of someone they have not chosen, then the justification must be extra-ordinarily compelling for it to be said to be reasonable.

Moreover, Wilcox regarded the proposed internal draft as both anticompetitive and an illegal collective boycott. He said that: “It is difficult to see what policy purpose is achieved by leaving inviolate arrangements under which potential employers agree not to compete amongst themselves ...It is certainly not in the interests of employees.”

I only raised the NSWRL’s attempt to introduce a draft because a number of people keep saying that the NRL should introduce a draft. It is clearly easier said than done.

Good debate and points raised. I think this year the huge gap between the top say 6 teams and the rest has been widely discussed in commentary teams. The fact that the Titans made the finals winning - was it 10 games out of 24, highlights the gulf. If this shows up again next year it is quite possible that a draft or 'other way' of making the game fairer may come into play. I remember another poster mentioning something like a 'points allocation' for each team with players being given ratings. Who knows, but at the moment the salary cap is a farce.


I have been saying this for ages

Sydney Rugby Union uses this approach and if it was adhered to it would work well. Currently the system is being rorted by the top teams

Players are allowed points for being a 1st grade player, a super rugby player, Australian player or Second tier nations player. But if you are junior or played more than 1 season at the club you can get discounts e.g.; for the Tigers
Chris Lawrence played for Australia allocated 10 points but discounts for being a junior and years of service he would cost the club 1 point. Now Cooper Cronk when he went to Easts, played for Australia 10 points, not a junior or never played for the club before he costs the club 10 points. Each club is allocated 100 points for first grade for that day. Simple solution and if managed effectively is a great way to spread talent

This idea comes up every so often and there's a reason why it's never been seriously explored in the NRL: because it would never get past the players union - and quite rightly so, because it's dreadful. Imagine if teams were forced to put a star player weighting on, say, Aaron Woods (multiple caps for Australia and NSW). He'd never get a contract at all, even at bargain basement level, his agent and the union would be livid and would probably sue for restraint of trade.

Oh yeah, and the system would also kill off international rugby league for good. Imagine if some young kid gets offered a place in the Samoa squad for a world cup and, say, Craig Bellamy doesn't want him to take the extra X points for being an international rep. He just says "up to you if you want to play international football, but we don't have cap room to re-sign another international for next year". All of a sudden players are dropping like flies with mystery injuries before international games.

Plus, you're now effectively placing cap management in the hands of rep selectors. Remember when Nathan Merritt got called up for the Blues and played the worst game in origin history? Well, under the rep points system he's now worth less to any club as well because he's officially a rep player and they can't have too many of them.

The problem with all these "how to fix the salary cap" ideas is that they sound great in the pub but when you actually consider the ramifications and how they would play out in roster management they tend to fall apart. Mind you, you could say the same about most of the recent rule changes and that hasn't stopped the halfwits running the show from pushing them through, so we'll probably get some nonsense like this if it appeals to V'Landys.

 

[yeahcaz]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

I don’t know but I do know one thing, he has never posted when someone has asked him.

I don’t understand this rhetoric that signing a player would lift our spirits. If any of the current players off contract get you excited, seek help. All rubbish and ratbags. Wouldn’t care if we went into next season with the same squad bar Hastings and gildart

It’s probably my biggest pet hate when people call for him to give an update. If he’s not posting, it’s for a reason. He posts when he’s ready.

Think mine would be people posting in here every 3-4 days saying “when will we sign someone” or “our recruitment is doing nothing while other clubs blah blah” like it’s going to make a difference.

 

[frullens]

Where is the POM on our current purchasing of players , was always pretty good with updates , hope he can bring some good solid updates and potential signings this week , just need a couple positives for the week

The Pom had the wrong oil on the Madge continuation.

No he didn't - pom said somthing along the lines of madge has survived but club will pick hes assistants.