Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[batboy]

I don’t know what some on here want , Liddle is not origin class but he is a good 1st grade player , doesn’t miss many tackles has great pace , just needs to fine tune his play around the ruck maybe Farah can work on that

He was the 2nd worst hooker in the NRL this year for Try Causes and Line Break causes in defence. He's a massive liability in our middle defence. Probably coincides with his lack of stamina

This says it all. And the liddle lovers will still defend him and blame everyone else.

Buy "Liddle Lovers" do you mean Realists?
There's 16/17 Teams, 4-5 Top Class hookers in the game (Maybe less) Unless we're getting one of those (Which we're not),
Then I'd prefer much prefer Liddle Stays.... LONG TERM!!

Liddle is not at the top level, But our Team as a whole are not at that level (Yet)
Both may never be... People here need to accept that.

I've seen a gazillion sack him, sack that guy - This guy is crap posts,
But NOT ONE is followed up with a realistic, suggested player to fill the position
I'd be throwing 1.2 at B Smith, I seriously don't think that would land him....
We're just not that appealing right now... I doubt we ever were, Or even will be....

The only way we'll ever land those type of players - Is buy building a tough, mid level side that shows to be on the up. Get the numbers right and then land that big fish...
We're not there yet, And I for one... AM NOT letting the Hooker or Half go anywhere until we firmly have our hands on a much better option - Which we don't.
End of Story.

 

[batboy]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

Put his Stats beside Brandon Smith - A guy who's Spent his whole career in the top 4, Top Tier National representative and about to land a million dollars somewhere...

I don't see the Price tag difference in the work they do, Or the teams they play in.
There's only one Brandon Smith, And a couple others you'd bust the bank for. We're not in the market for them...
Liddle is as good - or better than we could sign - Or afford.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

Put his Stats beside Brandon Smith - A guy who's Spent his whole career in the top 4, Top Tier National representative and about to land a million dollars somewhere...

I don't see the Price tag difference in the work they do, Or the teams they play in.
There's only one Brandon Smith, And a couple others you'd bust the bank for. We're not in the market for them...
Liddle is as good - or better than we could sign - Or afford.

Everyone has just come to the conclusion that Simpkin is going to be a star, without having really stood out in the few games he’s played. I honestly can’t work out if the hate for Liddle is cos everyone loves Simpkin, or the love for Simpkin is cos they hate Liddle.

 

[Camel2281]

I don’t know what some on here want , Liddle is not origin class but he is a good 1st grade player , doesn’t miss many tackles has great pace , just needs to fine tune his play around the ruck maybe Farah can work on that

He was the 2nd worst hooker in the NRL this year for Try Causes and Line Break causes in defence. He's a massive liability in our middle defence. Probably coincides with his lack of stamina

None of the above is true...
None of it.
We have 40 odd points put us by most teams in most games throughout the year, And there's one bloke in the side that can't tackle?

We're a lowly team so everyone feels the need to death ride someone until they're gone so we can still be a lowly team.
Jacob Liddle is not Harry Grant (Not many young hookers are) He's got a way to go...
But there's much more upside to him that a heap of other Hookers atm.
JMK, Rein, The Brailey Brothers, Turpin, Egan, Granville/Robson... And there's others.
He's on par or better than most of those - He's also playing with lower calibre players than most of those.
He's the hooker, Not the Fullback - He's not always going to be where the ball ends up... Especially when we have no idea where it's going to end up.

He gets roasted for the Ofahengaue play the ball... But no one mentions Blore (I think) and the 3 other guys that are just standing there spectating....
There isn't another team in the comp where one of the guys in that position wouldn't get to dummy half.

As I said, He's got a way to go... But look at what's about in Hookers and Halves...
Nothing - And as Parra have just found out - We could do much worse.

It is most definitely true. NRL.com statistics says so

 

[batboy]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

Put his Stats beside Brandon Smith - A guy who's Spent his whole career in the top 4, Top Tier National representative and about to land a million dollars somewhere...

I don't see the Price tag difference in the work they do, Or the teams they play in.
There's only one Brandon Smith, And a couple others you'd bust the bank for. We're not in the market for them...
Liddle is as good - or better than we could sign - Or afford.

Everyone has just come to the conclusion that Simpkin is going to be a star, without having really stood out in the few games he’s played. I honestly can’t work out if the hate for Liddle is cos everyone loves Simpkin, or the love for Simpkin is cos they hate Liddle.

I hope they're both stars - And both here long term....
As it stands, They're the only 2 NRL(ish) Hookers at the Club.
Why we'd be sending one to a top 4 team is beyond my reckoning...

We look to let him go, I could almost guarantee the Roosters, Eels, Manly & Storm would be lining up for him.

 

[Camel2281]

I don’t know what some on here want , Liddle is not origin class but he is a good 1st grade player , doesn’t miss many tackles has great pace , just needs to fine tune his play around the ruck maybe Farah can work on that

He was the 2nd worst hooker in the NRL this year for Try Causes and Line Break causes in defence. He's a massive liability in our middle defence. Probably coincides with his lack of stamina

This says it all. And the liddle lovers will still defend him and blame everyone else.

Buy "Liddle Lovers" do you mean Realists?
There's 16/17 Teams, 4-5 Top Class hookers in the game (Maybe less) Unless we're getting one of those (Which we're not),
Then I'd prefer much prefer Liddle Stays.... LONG TERM!!

Liddle is not at the top level, But our Team as a whole are not at that level (Yet)
Both may never be... People here need to accept that.

I've seen a gazillion sack him, sack that guy - This guy is crap posts,
But NOT ONE is followed up with a realistic, suggested player to fill the position
I'd be throwing 1.2 at B Smith, I seriously don't think that would land him....
We're just not that appealing right now... I doubt we ever were, Or even will be....

The only way we'll ever land those type of players - Is buy building a tough, mid level side that shows to be on the up. Get the numbers right and then land that big fish...
We're not there yet, And I for one... AM NOT letting the Hooker or Half go anywhere until we firmly have our hands on a much better option - Which we don't.
End of Story.

I'm not suggesting that we just let him go for the sake of it. I'm just correcting the lies that were written saying that he's a strong defender. He just isn't and the statistics prove it. I want any player with a WT jersey on to play well, succeed and win games. But Jacob needs to improve alot for that to occur

 

[DGilly]

Hooker is so much more than their stats. The reasons many teams can send their wingers in un touched is because of good dummy half play. We don't do that. Our attack is slow, clunky and often goes to the right over and over again. This is because Liddle is simply not good. His service is so slow and he isn't good at engaging the markers and giving our forwards more room for hit ups like Farah could. He also gets gassed early in the game and regularly misses over 5 tackles. He's a bottom 3 starting hooker. We need higher standards.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

Put his Stats beside Brandon Smith - A guy who's Spent his whole career in the top 4, Top Tier National representative and about to land a million dollars somewhere...

I don't see the Price tag difference in the work they do, Or the teams they play in.
There's only one Brandon Smith, And a couple others you'd bust the bank for. We're not in the market for them...
Liddle is as good - or better than we could sign - Or afford.

Everyone has just come to the conclusion that Simpkin is going to be a star, without having really stood out in the few games he’s played. I honestly can’t work out if the hate for Liddle is cos everyone loves Simpkin, or the love for Simpkin is cos they hate Liddle.

I hope they're both stars - And both here long term....
As it stands, They're the only 2 NRL(ish) Hookers at the Club.
Why we'd be sending one to a top 4 team is beyond my reckoning...

We look to let him go, I could almost guarantee the Roosters, Eels, Manly & Storm would be lining up for him.

But it would also expose Simpkin. We hear how Liddle isn’t an 80 minute hooker, neither is Simpkin.

 

[Camel2281]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

His running game is his strength. Unfortunately for his 10 linebreaks he's caused 13 against us. His defence, passing and stamina needs to improve.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

His running game is his strength. Unfortunately for his 10 linebreaks he's caused 13 against us. His defence, passing and stamina needs to improve.

Where the blokes around him, what were they doing?

 

[tigerballs]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

Put his Stats beside Brandon Smith - A guy who's Spent his whole career in the top 4, Top Tier National representative and about to land a million dollars somewhere...

I don't see the Price tag difference in the work they do, Or the teams they play in.
There's only one Brandon Smith, And a couple others you'd bust the bank for. We're not in the market for them...
Liddle is as good - or better than we could sign - Or afford.

I just don't get the Liddle bashing. His defence is as good as most starting hookers and I his passing game...someone in this forum started bagging him for no reason and a whole bunch of dimwits just joined in. Watch more than one game, then make a judgement.

 

[batboy]

I don’t know what some on here want , Liddle is not origin class but he is a good 1st grade player , doesn’t miss many tackles has great pace , just needs to fine tune his play around the ruck maybe Farah can work on that

He was the 2nd worst hooker in the NRL this year for Try Causes and Line Break causes in defence. He's a massive liability in our middle defence. Probably coincides with his lack of stamina

This says it all. And the liddle lovers will still defend him and blame everyone else.

Buy "Liddle Lovers" do you mean Realists?
There's 16/17 Teams, 4-5 Top Class hookers in the game (Maybe less) Unless we're getting one of those (Which we're not),
Then I'd prefer much prefer Liddle Stays.... LONG TERM!!

Liddle is not at the top level, But our Team as a whole are not at that level (Yet)
Both may never be... People here need to accept that.

I've seen a gazillion sack him, sack that guy - This guy is crap posts,
But NOT ONE is followed up with a realistic, suggested player to fill the position
I'd be throwing 1.2 at B Smith, I seriously don't think that would land him....
We're just not that appealing right now... I doubt we ever were, Or even will be....

The only way we'll ever land those type of players - Is buy building a tough, mid level side that shows to be on the up. Get the numbers right and then land that big fish...
We're not there yet, And I for one... AM NOT letting the Hooker or Half go anywhere until we firmly have our hands on a much better option - Which we don't.
End of Story.

I'm not suggesting that we just let him go for the sake of it. I'm just correcting the lies that were written saying that he's a strong defender. He just isn't and the statistics prove it. I want any player with a WT jersey on to play well, succeed and win games. But Jacob needs to improve alot for that to occur

Which statistics are you referring to? - His 92(ish) % Tackle efficiency?
If we had a goal kicker that kicked that well, He'd be the pride of the team....

 

[batboy]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

Put his Stats beside Brandon Smith - A guy who's Spent his whole career in the top 4, Top Tier National representative and about to land a million dollars somewhere...

I don't see the Price tag difference in the work they do, Or the teams they play in.
There's only one Brandon Smith, And a couple others you'd bust the bank for. We're not in the market for them...
Liddle is as good - or better than we could sign - Or afford.

I just don't get the Liddle bashing. His defence is as good as most starting hookers and I his passing game...someone in this forum started bagging him for no reason and a whole bunch of dimwits just joined in. Watch more than one game, then make a judgement.

Truth...
Ofahengaue gets up to play the ball and there was no Dummy Half....
Liddle was nailed to the cross soon after.

 

[loklok]

We need to get the front engine firing this year to see more of liddle .He had major injuries from the start of his career .I'd rather he stay with simpkin in unison again .Yea it's same old story but both are young

 

[batboy]

Hooker is so much more than their stats. The reasons many teams can send their wingers in un touched is because of good dummy half play. We don't do that. Our attack is slow, clunky and often goes to the right over and over again. This is because Liddle is simply not good. His service is so slow and he isn't good at engaging the markers and giving our forwards more room for hit ups like Farah could. He also gets gassed early in the game and regularly misses over 5 tackles. He's a bottom 3 starting hooker. We need higher standards.

He's not a bottom 3 Starting Hooker....
He's just not... He's in a bottom 3 side.
There is far worse hookers that played Finals last year.

 

[Camel2281]

I don’t know what some on here want , Liddle is not origin class but he is a good 1st grade player , doesn’t miss many tackles has great pace , just needs to fine tune his play around the ruck maybe Farah can work on that

He was the 2nd worst hooker in the NRL this year for Try Causes and Line Break causes in defence. He's a massive liability in our middle defence. Probably coincides with his lack of stamina

This says it all. And the liddle lovers will still defend him and blame everyone else.

Buy "Liddle Lovers" do you mean Realists?
There's 16/17 Teams, 4-5 Top Class hookers in the game (Maybe less) Unless we're getting one of those (Which we're not),
Then I'd prefer much prefer Liddle Stays.... LONG TERM!!

Liddle is not at the top level, But our Team as a whole are not at that level (Yet)
Both may never be... People here need to accept that.

I've seen a gazillion sack him, sack that guy - This guy is crap posts,
But NOT ONE is followed up with a realistic, suggested player to fill the position
I'd be throwing 1.2 at B Smith, I seriously don't think that would land him....
We're just not that appealing right now... I doubt we ever were, Or even will be....

The only way we'll ever land those type of players - Is buy building a tough, mid level side that shows to be on the up. Get the numbers right and then land that big fish...
We're not there yet, And I for one... AM NOT letting the Hooker or Half go anywhere until we firmly have our hands on a much better option - Which we don't.
End of Story.

I'm not suggesting that we just let him go for the sake of it. I'm just correcting the lies that were written saying that he's a strong defender. He just isn't and the statistics prove it. I want any player with a WT jersey on to play well, succeed and win games. But Jacob needs to improve alot for that to occur

Which statistics are you referring to? - His 92(ish) % Tackle efficiency?
If we had a goal kicker that kicked that well, He'd be the pride of the team....

87% actually. And his 10 try and 13 linebreak causes in 20 matches. He missed 65 tackles last season, second most for the club (funnily enough the apparently great defensive half Brooks missed the most tackles in 70 for the season). He needs to be better

 

[earl]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

Put his Stats beside Brandon Smith - A guy who's Spent his whole career in the top 4, Top Tier National representative and about to land a million dollars somewhere...

I don't see the Price tag difference in the work they do, Or the teams they play in.
There's only one Brandon Smith, And a couple others you'd bust the bank for. We're not in the market for them...
Liddle is as good - or better than we could sign - Or afford.

Everyone has just come to the conclusion that Simpkin is going to be a star, without having really stood out in the few games he’s played. I honestly can’t work out if the hate for Liddle is cos everyone loves Simpkin, or the love for Simpkin is cos they hate Liddle.

I hope they're both stars - And both here long term....
As it stands, They're the only 2 NRL(ish) Hookers at the Club.
Why we'd be sending one to a top 4 team is beyond my reckoning...

We look to let him go, I could almost guarantee the Roosters, Eels, Manly & Storm would be lining up for him.

But it would also expose Simpkin. We hear how Liddle isn’t an 80 minute hooker, neither is Simpkin.

We need another hooker. Liddle can't go 80 minutes consistently if at all. I think Simpkin should spend more time in reserve grade. It's a problem position.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Hooker is so much more than their stats. The reasons many teams can send their wingers in un touched is because of good dummy half play. We don't do that. Our attack is slow, clunky and often goes to the right over and over again. This is because Liddle is simply not good. His service is so slow and he isn't good at engaging the markers and giving our forwards more room for hit ups like Farah could. He also gets gassed early in the game and regularly misses over 5 tackles. He's a bottom 3 starting hooker. We need higher standards.

He's not a bottom 3 Starting Hooker....
He's just not... He's in a bottom 3 side.
There is far worse hookers that played Finals last year.

Brailey and Croker

 

[Camel2281]

Maybe liddle is gassed after 30 minutes, and maybe it’s because he’s doing the defence for the rest of our lazy forwards

Liddle is the new brooks. Every excuse in the book why his passing was horrendous. Why in key moments he wasn’t at dummy half, why he dropped of tackles, why he was gassed after 30 minutes. It’s everybody’s fault but his.

First sentence is dead on. He’s the new scapegoat.

He was terrible that’s what he was. Would happily drive him and brooks to redcliffe. Let’s give these guys another 5 years and see if they will improve. Wonder if brooks csn get to 500 games with no finals at the tigers. Can you imagine the banner and the party at Leichhardt oval for him.

10 line breaks for Liddle. One of our only shining lights in attack. If he was terrible, God knows how you would describe some others

Put his Stats beside Brandon Smith - A guy who's Spent his whole career in the top 4, Top Tier National representative and about to land a million dollars somewhere...

I don't see the Price tag difference in the work they do, Or the teams they play in.
There's only one Brandon Smith, And a couple others you'd bust the bank for. We're not in the market for them...
Liddle is as good - or better than we could sign - Or afford.

I just don't get the Liddle bashing. His defence is as good as most starting hookers and I his passing game...someone in this forum started bagging him for no reason and a whole bunch of dimwits just joined in. Watch more than one game, then make a judgement.

Truth...
Ofahengaue gets up to play the ball and there was no Dummy Half....
Liddle was nailed to the cross soon after.

Standing with hands on hips was Lids

 

[earl]

He needs to be better

Yep. The whole spine has to be better as well. We are an ordinary team. We need a lot of improvements all over the park.