Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[nrlsurvivor]

Quiet as he'll at camp Concord is sheens on leave or something.

Think it might have something to do with this period called Xmas/New year.

I think everyone is back to work Monday. That is what has happened in years gone by

Not everyone. Newspapers reporting around 10 Tigers players have Covid.

 

[tony soprano]

Zane Musgrove caught driving with a suspended license apparently

Surely it’s time to cut this bloke loose. He’s either in trouble, injured or under done.

FFS, the original comment said "apparently". But yet, the pile-on begins, from those who I'm sure have never been stupid or made a mistake in their lives. Model citizens all of them, no doubt. As if.

Okay mate. I’ve made mistakes and guess what they cost me my job. He’s made a heap and maybe it’ll cost him his job.

I don't see the connection with him, apparently, breaking a traffic/driving rule and that being justification for him being sacked as a professional NRL player. That's my point.

Mate this is his third or fourth incident. And let’s me honest driving without a license is a deliberate and know offence. He lost his licence for driving under the influence (if I remember correct) so it shows he doesn’t care for the consequences of his actions so maybe losing his job will help him in life

You’re not just saying this cos he’s provided little value, and you see this as an opportunity to cut him loose are you? ?

If course that comes into it.

Then that immediately disqualifies it then. It shouldn’t matter who it is. Everyone should be treated the same in these cases.

To an extend I agree but unfortunately we both know that’s not now things work. If this was he’s first offence you could give him more work. An employee is always going to be willing to offer additional support to someone who provides more output.

He’s not going to get punted over a minor offence.

You can't punt him over that. It's ridiculous.

Dogs punted Elliott for less

His attitude also contributed to him being punted

Elliot would of been entitled to compensation if he pursued it but I guess he thought best for himself to get out of Sydney. Lucky move by Gould.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Mbye relishing fresh chance after joining Dragons, backs Brooks to find form at Tigers
Adam Pengilly
By Adam Pengilly
January 8, 2022 — 11.56am
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A refreshed Moses Mbye has no expectation about his role at the Dragons after conceding he desperately needed a shift from Wests Tigers, who he says are close to bringing out the best in Luke Brooks.

The former State of Origin player is among a host of recruits for St George Illawarra coach Anthony Griffin, and is expected to be used in a utility role, which garnered him representative honours for Queensland.

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But after asking for an early release from his big-money contract at the Tigers and then going through an on-again, off-again switch to St George Illawarra, Mbye admits even he’s unsure what role he will play for the Red V.

Junior Amone and Jayden Sullivan are expected to battle it out for the No.6 role alongside Ben Hunt, while Griffin will have strike centres Zac Lomax and Manly recruit Moses Suli as attacking threats out wide. It means Mbye is poised for a super-sub role.

“It’s actually quite refreshing having that open mind about what I’m going to be doing,” he said. “I’ve been training pretty much in every position, and for me it’s just about making the 17 each week. That’s the goal.

“If I can just be fit, be ready and be healthy [that will be great]. In my conversations with ‘Hook’ [Griffin], I’m just willing to learn. He’s such a deep thinker of the game, but in saying that he keeps it very simple for his players.

‘You come up with an impression in your head what you think someone is going to be like, but you’re just not sure.’

Moses Mbye on Dragons coach Anthony Griffin
“I’d played against his teams before and I had no relationship with him until he got to the Dragons. You come up with an impression in your head what you think someone is going to be like, but you’re just not sure.

“If you’re from central Queensland like ‘Hook’ is, you either play footy and, if you’re not good enough, you start coaching. And if you’re not good enough to coach, you usually start refereeing. That’s usually how it goes in central Queensland.

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“But he just has good expectations of what he wants out of his players, and he lets you know when you’re not living up to those expectations.”

The utility role isn’t new to Mbye. He started at five-eighth, fullback, centre and off the bench under Michael Maguire at the Tigers last year as the 28-year-old compensated for injuries and different strategies.

St George Illawarra Dragons recruit Moses Mbye.
St George Illawarra Dragons recruit Moses Mbye.CREDIT:ST GEORGE ILLAWARRA DRAGONS

But he knew his time at one joint venture was coming to a close, and traded it in for another. He’s since watched the Tigers rebuff attempts from Newcastle to bring halfback Brooks to the Knights, having played alongside the mercurial No.7 for a lot of 2021.

“You keep seeing guys like Brooksy used as a bit of a punching bag, but he’s just an exceptional player,” Mbye said. “It’s going to take one little thing to unlock him and he’ll be away. He just needed a few more people around him to give him the knowledge and information and he’ll be fine.

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“I think what they’ve gone and done now is get some real experienced guys with [Tim] Sheens and [Nathan] Cayless, and I think they’ll be a real threat this year. I think they’re definitely moving in the right direction.

“But for me, I knew I needed a change. I didn’t have a preference where I wanted to go, but I just knew I needed a change from the Tigers. I was fortunate enough to get an opportunity at the Dragons.

“There’s a really massive crop of young talent at this club. There’s four or five really exceptional juniors through the system and the way they carry themselves with absolute maturity, and they look like they know what they want exactly out of the game while being willing to learn ... I’ve enjoyed training besides those guys.”

 

[clontarfkid]

Mbye puts a lot of preparation inmto these staements,and is comprehensively the best spoken player in the NRL...
A real shame he never translated that into effort ,committment or leadership on the field
Seems happy to play 14 rather than carve out a starting spot
Says it all

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Mbye puts a lot of preparation inmto these staements,and is comprehensively the best spoken player in the NRL...
A real shame he never translated that into effort ,committment or leadership on the field
Seems happy to play 14 rather than carve out a starting spot
Says it all

That’s the kind of player he is. No one can definitively say what his best position is because he does not have one. He’s a spare parts kind of player. So is Doueihi to an extent, but he’s a better player than Mbye.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Madge is desperate to have Musgrave regain the mongrel he showed when at Souths. Charging at the line without fear and getting post contact metres is an area where we lack in.
I would think Sheens would have read the riot act to him regarding his latest indiscretion. (well one would hope)
As he said recently "I'm not afraid to upset people"

The unfortunately reality is that the mad dogs that you want in your team (at least some of your roster), that personality type that makes them a little unhinged, to strike fear into opponents, charge into the line, yearn for contact and collision, have that wild look in the eye, toe the line between legal and illegal... it usually doesn't just turn off when they leave the field.

So if you want the odd fearsome lunatic in your side, unfortunately you need to expect and potentially accept some off-field nonsense (of course there is a clear limit to what is acceptable), and that's not even mentioning the other contributing factors for footballers getting in trouble - ego, money, youth, lack of intellect, being protected and championed your whole life, no experience as a Regular Joe etc.

The handful of players that can be absolute scary monsters on-field, then mostly sensible, reliable humans off-field... they end up becoming legends of the game like Gareth Ellis, Gorden Tallis etc. Maybe even Tallis is a stride to far to say he was sensible and reliable during his playing career.

Kenny Edwards is my poster-boy for "gone too far lunacy". That bloke was completely unhinged and scary for all the right and wrong reasons. If you can stay generally on the positive side of the Kenny Edwards scale, you might be alright.

Kenny Edwards didn't strike fear into anybody though, he was a laughing stock all around the league.

Yeah he did - fear of being bitten or other mental decisions. Epitome of a loose cannon..

Madge is desperate to have Musgrave regain the mongrel he showed when at Souths. Charging at the line without fear and getting post contact metres is an area where we lack in.
I would think Sheens would have read the riot act to him regarding his latest indiscretion. (well one would hope)
As he said recently "I'm not afraid to upset people"

The unfortunately reality is that the mad dogs that you want in your team (at least some of your roster), that personality type that makes them a little unhinged, to strike fear into opponents, charge into the line, yearn for contact and collision, have that wild look in the eye, toe the line between legal and illegal... it usually doesn't just turn off when they leave the field.

So if you want the odd fearsome lunatic in your side, unfortunately you need to expect and potentially accept some off-field nonsense (of course there is a clear limit to what is acceptable), and that's not even mentioning the other contributing factors for footballers getting in trouble - ego, money, youth, lack of intellect, being protected and championed your whole life, no experience as a Regular Joe etc.

The handful of players that can be absolute scary monsters on-field, then mostly sensible, reliable humans off-field... they end up becoming legends of the game like Gareth Ellis, Gorden Tallis etc. Maybe even Tallis is a stride to far to say he was sensible and reliable during his playing career.

Kenny Edwards is my poster-boy for "gone too far lunacy". That bloke was completely unhinged and scary for all the right and wrong reasons. If you can stay generally on the positive side of the Kenny Edwards scale, you might be alright.

Kenny Edwards didn't strike fear into anybody though, he was a laughing stock all around the league.

Yeah he did - fear of being bitten or other mental decisions. Epitome of a loose cannon..

Did he bite someone on the field? Cannot remember that, was it in ESL?

Only remember him for consistently being an embarrassment to himself and the NRL by always faking injury. The bloke was a ponce.

 

[cktiger]

Mbye puts a lot of preparation inmto these staements,and is comprehensively the best spoken player in the NRL...
A real shame he never translated that into effort ,committment or leadership on the field
Seems happy to play 14 rather than carve out a starting spot
Says it all

Mbye doing his best to trick the Tigers into sticking with Brooks… gives his new team a better chance.

 

[innsaneink]

“It’s going to take one little thing to unlock him and he’ll be away. He just needed a few more people around him to give him the knowledge and information and he’ll be fine.



All good now

 

[JC99]

The recency bias towards Musgrove is astounding. Two poor performances while struggling with injury and all of a sudden he's a dud signing and we gotta tear up his contract for a driving offence (won't happen)

Majority of his games he's been good for us. He provides good impact off the bench, causes defenders a lot of problems and his post contact metres are excellent. His main issue has been injury which is out of everyone's control, hopefully he gets fit and plays a whole season this year!

Attitude stinks. Not a smart guy. Too many stuff ups now. Madges worst decision to hand him a long contract IMO.

He's clearly dumb off the field but his attitude towards actual footy seems good. A driving offence where he didn't endanger anyone isn't that bad I reckon

I'd say you would have to play to have a good attitude to footy. What about 12 games in 3 yrs when your actions get you suspended does not show a good attitude.

Oh yes, definitely a bad attitude that's caused him to be injured. I think he'd rather be on the field than in rehab...

 

[kiwitiger]

The recency bias towards Musgrove is astounding. Two poor performances while struggling with injury and all of a sudden he's a dud signing and we gotta tear up his contract for a driving offence (won't happen)

Majority of his games he's been good for us. He provides good impact off the bench, causes defenders a lot of problems and his post contact metres are excellent. His main issue has been injury which is out of everyone's control, hopefully he gets fit and plays a whole season this year!

Attitude stinks. Not a smart guy. Too many stuff ups now. Madges worst decision to hand him a long contract IMO.

He's clearly dumb off the field but his attitude towards actual footy seems good. A driving offence where he didn't endanger anyone isn't that bad I reckon

I'd say you would have to play to have a good attitude to footy. What about 12 games in 3 yrs when your actions get you suspended does not show a good attitude.

Oh yes, definitely a bad attitude that's caused him to be injured. I think he'd rather be on the field than in rehab...

Got himself stood down for a year then suspended after the maori vs aboriginal game. Not always injury. Infact over half the time off was because he was not allowed to play. His fault no one else. Not bad luck

 

[JC99]

The recency bias towards Musgrove is astounding. Two poor performances while struggling with injury and all of a sudden he's a dud signing and we gotta tear up his contract for a driving offence (won't happen)

Majority of his games he's been good for us. He provides good impact off the bench, causes defenders a lot of problems and his post contact metres are excellent. His main issue has been injury which is out of everyone's control, hopefully he gets fit and plays a whole season this year!

Attitude stinks. Not a smart guy. Too many stuff ups now. Madges worst decision to hand him a long contract IMO.

He's clearly dumb off the field but his attitude towards actual footy seems good. A driving offence where he didn't endanger anyone isn't that bad I reckon

I'd say you would have to play to have a good attitude to footy. What about 12 games in 3 yrs when your actions get you suspended does not show a good attitude.

Oh yes, definitely a bad attitude that's caused him to be injured. I think he'd rather be on the field than in rehab...

Got himself stood down for a year then suspended after the maori vs aboriginal game. Not always injury. Infact over half the time off was because he was not allowed to play. His fault no one else. Not bad luck

He was fully cleared of all the charges he faced that caused him to be stood down for a year so no, not really his fault is it, he should've been playing the whole time. Sure a few weeks suspension is his fault but majority of the year he was dealing with his foot injury. Had multiple surgeries on it

 

[Cobarcats]

This topic has gone AWOL, Start a rumour please someone, something that everyone will like.
I've got one, Benny Elias wants to coach Weststigers hee hee ha ha

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Mbye puts a lot of preparation inmto these staements,and is comprehensively the best spoken player in the NRL...
A real shame he never translated that into effort ,committment or leadership on the field
Seems happy to play 14 rather than carve out a starting spot
Says it all

That’s the kind of player he is. No one can definitively say what his best position is because he does not have one. He’s a spare parts kind of player. So is Doueihi to an extent, but he’s a better player than Mbye.

I think at the same age they are very comparable.
They are both multi skilled players which = risk that a coach plugs a hole with them because they just aren’t brilliant at 1 position but are capable in others & play in teams that struggle hence why they become a utility. They are also great trainers which = coach will pick them to play over others. Once they get put into the basket of a utility they are stuck in it.

AD age was is a utility before Mbye was and doesn’t have a position locked in.

 

[tiger_scott]

Te Maire Martin has just signed a dev contract with the Broncos. Do we offer him a spot in our 30, if he has an out built in? From memory he went pretty well in the Toyota cup team.

 

[Demps]

Te Maire Martin has just signed a dev contract with the Broncos. Do we offer him a spot in our 30, if he has an out built in? From memory he went pretty well in the Toyota cup team.

No.

I hope it works out for him, he probably thought he would never play again after his brain injury concerns.
I really hope it works out for him, he's a good guy and a talented player.

Adam Reynolds and TMM is a pairing that would bring much skill and excitement.
Good luck to him.

 

[jirskyr]

This topic has gone AWOL, Start a rumour please someone, something that everyone will like.
I've got one, Benny Elias wants to coach Weststigers hee hee ha ha

I'm just hoping someone starts up about Jacob Liddle again.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Te Maire Martin has just signed a dev contract with the Broncos. Do we offer him a spot in our 30, if he has an out built in? From memory he went pretty well in the Toyota cup team.

No. We need backs not halves.

 

[crazycat]

Just say no to Fergo

I'd say yes bloke can play and cover a few positions.

Cant catch High Balls,

If Blake Fergusson, HELL no.

You only hire a guy like that as a super cheapie if your going to the finals. I.e. your Souths and ypu want a spare back rower. He gets over the line.
But far out he wrecks a team.

 

[crazycat]

Mbye puts a lot of preparation inmto these staements,and is comprehensively the best spoken player in the NRL...
A real shame he never translated that into effort ,committment or leadership on the field
Seems happy to play 14 rather than carve out a starting spot
Says it all

That’s the kind of player he is. No one can definitively say what his best position is because he does not have one. He’s a spare parts kind of player. So is Doueihi to an extent, but he’s a better player than Mbye.

I think at the same age they are very comparable.
They are both multi skilled players which = risk that a coach plugs a hole with them because they just aren’t brilliant at 1 position but are capable in others & play in teams that struggle hence why they become a utility. They are also great trainers which = coach will pick them to play over others. Once they get put into the basket of a utility they are stuck in it.

AD age was is a utility before Mbye was and doesn’t have a position locked in.

Nah there are Massive differences between Mbye and AD.

Mbye, had such a strong passing game. He never seemed to get 5/8 but the way Mbye plays is he passes and brings people into the action. Defensively he is able to get in position and just speedhump!

AD is very different. He goes it himself, he passes less and IMHO better at Center. Also you can play AD without regret, cant say the same for Mbye.

What were we thinking:
Offload 200k corey Thompson
Import 750k mbye with assistance. Impact about equal to Thompson.
Ignore two twins who went on to the finals with easts. Honestly, both Morris's would have been close to 750k then.

 

[900Large 0]

This topic has gone AWOL, Start a rumour please someone, something that everyone will like.
I've got one, Benny Elias wants to coach Weststigers hee hee ha ha

Speaking of Benny, I hear a rumour he has bought the Wardell Pub on the Far Nth Coast of NSW. wonder if ther'll be a push now for the Ballina Tigers!