Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Todd Packer]

Never mentioned for a reason. And you are confirming that Sullivan has signed?

NRL 360 pretty much did tonight.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Anyone watch 360 tonight?

Anasta sounded like a bloke that was trying to sell a "Game Managing" 7 to me....
Also seemed concerned with the length of the contracts we're giving young halves...
Why'd that be you think?

He has one on his books currently at the club in Conti though I do wonder if all is not as it seems with Souths and Illias..

NRL 360 pretty much did tonight.

Fair enough. Thats half way official maybe.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Im feeling it also.

 

[bptiger 0]

Dearden’s a very loyal character and is indebted to Payten for allowing him to flourish. it will take a huge offer to prise him away from Townsville.

If the figure quoted of $600,000 for 3 years then if we offered him $850,000 over 4 years that’s a big difference

 

[tony soprano]

He has one on his books currently at the club in Conti though I do wonder if all is not as it seems with Souths and Illias..

He does only play good against tigers.

 

[tony soprano]

U guys a

I would bet that's what it is....
Souths aren't getting rid of Campbell Graham, Mitchell or Walker,
Unless they're playing Wighton at lock or 14...
That Leaves 1 centre spot for him - And I just don't see a way they can pay him that much money to play centre
with some of the other big money names they have....
Arrow apparently signed for 800k a Year,
Murray - Walker on about the same...
Now Wighton on 800, And LM on a Motsa....

I feel like you, Something is lop sided there and Ilias might be feeling the tap coming....

U guys r too smart.

 

[earl]

But aren’t the forwards more a means to an end, rather than an end in themselves.
They can do lots of good work but not having finishers means it’s a waste of time and energy
Eventually this reduces the forwards performance coz having no finishers means their toil is wasted.

I basically agree but I think you are selling them a little short. Forwards bust the line in the middle and out wide now and score points. Pole busted over on the weekend. Stef has a couple of times I think this season. Edge backrowers are now the target for halves just as much as centres.

I'm not trying to argue that backs aren't important though or that your halves aren't critical. It's okay to want our players to perform better than what they have. We haven't had too many top performers. Api has been fantastic. I haven't seen performances like he has put in from a Tigers player for years. He deserves a massive wrap. Have any other players performed as well as Api has in their respective positions ?

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

The black population of South Africa is about 7 times the white population and their first love is soccer !

Sorry I must have misunderstood I thought you were suggesting they were good at it, my bad.

 

[jrtiger]

If the figure quoted of $600,000 for 3 years then if we offered him $850,000 over 4 years that’s a big difference

cost of living in Sydney adds up. keep in mind its NQ's initial offer. still early days, they might be forced to go higher.

 

[Todd Packer]

cost of living in Sydney adds up. keep in mind its NQ's initial offer. still early days, they might be forced to go higher.

He can rent a home unit in Mt Druitt and cycle to training.
Problem solved.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Anasta is a wanker. Those are my only thoughts.

 

[Todd Packer]

https://www.realestate.com.au/property-unit-nsw-mount+druitt-437340940

He can rent this beauty. Only $320 per week. Tommy will love it!

 

[Tomatosoup912]

Once again great stats but your jumping to conclusions.
Our backs are rubbish. No arguments there.

As you stated as fact majority of the points scored are from 10 meters out and in the middle of the field.
Who scores them by chance? The backs?

I know that simply a game is won and losses by points scored and conceded but it’s not a matter of out scoring a team to win the game as Tim believes. It’s about wearing down the opposition, giving them nothing and gaining everything. The best sides are still the best defensive sides. Do you have a stat to dispute that?

Our forwards are an improvement on last year. But as Earl mentioned we still expect more. Is that wrong to want?

So to clarify one point, the heat map was representative of where the play the ball was that immediately preceded points. The very large proportion of those tries are scored by backs.

Aside from that I agree with everything else you have highlighted. The top 4 teams are all high performers in a measure that reflects defence of expected points, a measure that we are below par.

I really thought this was the year for the Tigers, I have to get a Tatoo on my arse in a few weeks as a result of a bet I had with a mate that we would make the 8. I thought the quality we had brought in to the pack would finally allow our halves and outside backs to convert opportunities. For something like the first 8 weeks we lead the comp in field position and hadn't won a game. The teams in 2nd, 3rd and 4th were Panthers, Storm and Broncos. It lead me to the perspective that while our forwards could be improved our backs are just so far below NRL standard imo. A deep dive into some other stats and a keen eye on our backs has just grown that opinion for me.

We all want improvement and I absolutely support any fan wanting it. I was just trying to provide a perspective that our backs are in significantly more need of an upgrade than our pack that I think is a tick above NRL average.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Hoops and Braith are right

We need an organizing 7

Fainu and sullivan are flashy 6s

Who’s our 7?

Sezer?

Then why do we need Fainu and sullivan on $500k each?

None of them are a 7.

Tigers Fck up coming up again

Plus my cousins sponsor the dragons - said sullivan has bad hammys… and he’s a bludger happy he’s leaving lol

Seriously do not get why any of us fans worry about the actual salary range .. what do we care if they get 4,5,6. over 2-e years as if we have any idea, understanding or clue about any of it… ffs we never get the correct figures and for us to waste time on here saying oh I’d pay them 500, 000 but no way is he worth 600,000 as if any of that makes a difference to us is absolutely ridiculous

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Once again great stats but your jumping to conclusions.
Our backs are rubbish. No arguments there.

As you stated as fact majority of the points scored are from 10 meters out and in the middle of the field.
Who scores them by chance? The backs?

I know that simply a game is won and losses by points scored and conceded but it’s not a matter of out scoring a team to win the game as Tim believes. It’s about wearing down the opposition, giving them nothing and gaining everything. The best sides are still the best defensive sides. Do you have a stat to dispute that?

Our forwards are an improvement on last year. But as Earl mentioned we still expect more. Is that wrong to want?

Exactly this, Stats are just measuring certain reliable indicators, they contribute to our understanding, but the map is not the terrain… meaning that certain things that are very very hard to quantify usually determine the outcome,, for instance a missed tackle can look the same on the stat sheet but the way it is missed, where, how badly missed, and who it was on all determine its importance to the outcome

 

[tigerballs]

He has one on his books currently at the club in Conti though I do wonder if all is not as it seems with Souths and Illias..

Illias is unwanted at Souths. Walker to 7 and Wighton at 6 next year.

 

[Vicious]

Illias is unwanted at Souths. Walker to 7 and Wighton at 6 next year.

Unless South’s go deep into the finals this season, it’s highly likely Illias will be the scapegoat.
Would we want Illias if available ?
I would definitely take him at the right price.

 

[Oldman]

Just to follow up on your post Y, Gibson played once for NSW so wouldn’t call him a star player and I’m sure we both saw Bennett play and he wasn’t anything flash either.
I repeat what I said that being a star player doesn’t necessarily translate to coaching ( but eg.in Bozo Fultons case it was different, great player, great coach.

Ever heard of a bloke named Churchill or Bath ?
If I recollect they were not to bad at playing the game.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

I basically agree but I think you are selling them a little short. Forwards bust the line in the middle and out wide now and score points. Pole busted over on the weekend. Stef has a couple of times I think this season. Edge backrowers are now the target for halves just as much as centres.

I'm not trying to argue that backs aren't important though or that your halves aren't critical. It's okay to want our players to perform better than what they have. We haven't had too many top performers. Api has been fantastic. I haven't seen performances like he has put in from a Tigers player for years. He deserves a massive wrap. Have any other players performed as well as Api has in their respective positions ?

Precisely, and our lazy, pretend structure frauds are never trailing through in support but always standing back out wide planning for the big move that they never actually run the actual shape correct for.. I am so over the lazy halves we have marched out week in week out all season this year!

 

[tigerballs]

Precisely, and our lazy, pretend structure frauds are never trailing through in support but always standing back out wide planning for the big move that they never actually run the actual shape correct for.. I am so over the lazy halves we have marched out week in week out all season this year!

I don't think they're lazy, they're just not very good.