Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tiger5150]

Its interesting to look at Parra's response to their "failure". ***Apparently the high powered lobby mob who put the last board out has now put the current board and hierarchy on notice*** that if they don't improve next year they can start looking elsewhere as well. They have told the board they want a complete reshuffle of the coaching staff bringing in Paul Green and Shane Flanagan as assistants and appointing Tim Sheens as coaching director. They are moving on 11 players. And they finished in the top 4. Admittedly this was in the DT so may be a load of rubbish. However it does point out one of our problems as Snake keeps pointing out. We as members have no power to put pressure on the board. They really answer to no one. All we can do is wring our hands and complain on here. I suppose pulling the plug on memberships would be way of showing our discontent but i wouldn't see many doing that.

I would not be using the Parra board structure as a benchmark. They have had a more disfunctional board than the Tigers for a long time including getting board members banned by the NRL Their board is a cluster and has been overseeing MANY wooden spoons and zero premierships in 35years. Their board is effectively the Leagues Club board which is not that far different to our structure. At the end of the day Ashfield and Brydens are paying the bills. Good set up to have the boss of the key sponsor as the chairman. If anyone is going to pressure for success, it is the paymasters and between Ashfield & Brydens they control the board.

 

[851]

I’ve lost all respect for Reynolds. The guy has no integrity and is happy to do nothing for his pay cheque. The club can’t make it any clearer that he isn’t wanted. Yet he is happy to be 18th man , earning $25k a week doing absolutely nothing.

I'd be happy if we could move Josh R along but nothing I've seen from him suggests he's happy being 18th man.

The fact he was signed by the previous coach and doesn't appear to be in the plans of the current coach doesn't mean he's not keen to get on the field. In fact I'd say it's killing him not being able - or picked - to play.

It’s josh Reynolds, all he wants to do is play footy. Madge regularly applauds him for how hard he works at training and Ronnie Palmer called him the fittest at the club. Those aren’t the characteristics of a guy who’s happy to sit on the bench and not play.

Disagree. It does not look like that at all to me. Madge and co say good things about him publicly, like they say good things about Packer, because you have no chance of ever getting another club interested in them if you don't. Even then no other club is interested anyway.

It's been made abundantly clear to both of them that the coach wants them out of the club, it's been made clear by them not being picked very often at all in the run on team.

If all Reynolds wants to do is play footy, then why does he stay at a club where he is clearly not wanted? Where he a lot of the time is not even chosen to play footy? He is on a good wicket with the money he is on, he has no better options, and he's just riding it out. Hard to condemn him, as it it Ivan's fault, but there's certainly no dignity in it. Personally I'll be glad to see both their names off our books.

To be fair why would he go to England if he’s found a girl here and has good business going here can’t force him to move, and he has been offered to other clubs and I’m sure he would be keen to move if another club wants him, problem is none of them do.

At this point in time his only choice is to stay at WT, that doesn’t mean he’s moping around and doesn’t care about playing all he does his work to
Get back into the team and every coach and player says the same thing.

I know it would be nice to have him off our books but let’s not question his character or dignity, not one of us would do any different in his situation.


I dont like him as a player and I dont like him as a bloke (mutual acquaintances) but I would agree up until lately that in difficult circumstances he has seemed to maintain a reasonable attitude and put in, however him leaving at half time at Brooky, coupled with the reports that he was a no show at the awards night indicate to me that he has thrown in the towel and is a passenger collecting his salary.

Yes he is paid way too much, not his fault, but the club hasn't really treated him fairly in his time here, but for the most part he just copped it and trained hard. I have never seen any other club treat a supposed marquee signing like we have treated him, his continual non selection even though the bloke ahead of him was in worse form would have been hard to take. So if he has said to himself I am staying and collecting my money, I can't blame him,

 

[gallagher]

However it does point out one of our problems as Snake keeps pointing out. We as members have no power to put pressure on the board. They really answer to no one.

The Board answers to the owners.

We don't want members electing the Board. They do so at the Dogs and it is , apparently, a divided and divisive Board, with members belonging to various factions.

For most of our history our Board was divided between Wests and Balmain and it is the main reason our club underperformed for a large part of our history. We are still trying to recover from those divisive years.

We need a united Board, not one that represents and answers to the various factions.

The independent board started in 2014 Fibro. This board has had plenty of time, the excuses have run out.

 

[Tiger5150]

I’ve lost all respect for Reynolds. The guy has no integrity and is happy to do nothing for his pay cheque. The club can’t make it any clearer that he isn’t wanted. Yet he is happy to be 18th man , earning $25k a week doing absolutely nothing.

I'd be happy if we could move Josh R along but nothing I've seen from him suggests he's happy being 18th man.

The fact he was signed by the previous coach and doesn't appear to be in the plans of the current coach doesn't mean he's not keen to get on the field. In fact I'd say it's killing him not being able - or picked - to play.

It’s josh Reynolds, all he wants to do is play footy. Madge regularly applauds him for how hard he works at training and Ronnie Palmer called him the fittest at the club. Those aren’t the characteristics of a guy who’s happy to sit on the bench and not play.

Disagree. It does not look like that at all to me. Madge and co say good things about him publicly, like they say good things about Packer, because you have no chance of ever getting another club interested in them if you don't. Even then no other club is interested anyway.

It's been made abundantly clear to both of them that the coach wants them out of the club, it's been made clear by them not being picked very often at all in the run on team.

If all Reynolds wants to do is play footy, then why does he stay at a club where he is clearly not wanted? Where he a lot of the time is not even chosen to play footy? He is on a good wicket with the money he is on, he has no better options, and he's just riding it out. Hard to condemn him, as it it Ivan's fault, but there's certainly no dignity in it. Personally I'll be glad to see both their names off our books.

To be fair why would he go to England if he’s found a girl here and has good business going here can’t force him to move, and he has been offered to other clubs and I’m sure he would be keen to move if another club wants him, problem is none of them do.

At this point in time his only choice is to stay at WT, that doesn’t mean he’s moping around and doesn’t care about playing all he does his work to
Get back into the team and every coach and player says the same thing.

I know it would be nice to have him off our books but let’s not question his character or dignity, not one of us would do any different in his situation.


I dont like him as a player and I dont like him as a bloke (mutual acquaintances) but I would agree up until lately that in difficult circumstances he has seemed to maintain a reasonable attitude and put in, however him leaving at half time at Brooky, coupled with the reports that he was a no show at the awards night indicate to me that he has thrown in the towel and is a passenger collecting his salary.

Yes he is paid way too much, not his fault, but the club hasn't really treated him fairly in his time here, but for the most part he just copped it and trained hard. I have never seen any other club treat a supposed marquee signing like we have treated him, his continual non selection even though the bloke ahead of him was in worse form would have been hard to take. So if he has said to himself I am staying and collecting my money, I can't blame him,

Entitled to your opinion 851, mines different. Even though Benji wasnt in great form (particularly defensively) I would still have picked Benji over Reynolds everyday. Benji offers a lot more in attack and has a better (stull not great) kicking game. I dont think there is that much in it, your opinion is valid, they both have strengths and weaknesses but for me the point is that JR wasnt not excelling to the point of demanding week in week out selection.

The other critical thing is, you say he "trained hard". How do you know this? Maybe that is the reason he didnt get picked. Maybe his training efforts were in line with what we saw at Brooky and the awards night. You and I dont know, but that is possible and would explain his non selection (his lack of ability would be the other possibility).

I dont blame him for hanging around and collecting his money, its a contract. If his leaving Brooky at half time and not showing up at the awards night is an indication of his attitude, I DO blame him for that. I see no evidence that he has been treated badly by the club.

 

[Shooter Mcgavin]

My signing suggestions would be to go hard at cheap youth for 2021 as it’s probably a dead year anyway with so much salary cap wasted. As of November 1 I would be looking at; Staggs, Schonig, Hynes, Hoy, Burton, Leniu just to name a few off contract that may be realistic. Re-sign the Nofoaluma Blores etc, let go of Packer, Reynolds etc. Should have a good stash built up to hopefully catch a big fish or two like Titans

 

[twentyforty]

However it does point out one of our problems as Snake keeps pointing out. We as members have no power to put pressure on the board. They really answer to no one.

The Board answers to the owners.

We don't want members electing the Board. They do so at the Dogs and it is , apparently, a divided and divisive Board, with members belonging to various factions.

For most of our history our Board was divided between Wests and Balmain and it is the main reason our club underperformed for a large part of our history. We are still trying to recover from those divisive years.

We need a united Board, not one that represents and answers to the various factions.

Yes but the majority of the board is made up of board members of the owner..

So they answer to themselves

Who exactly is the owner of Wests Tigers football club?

My point is that the WT is like an unwanted child whose parents are a complex organisational structure with other priorities.
It’s a structure which encourages self preservation and comfort. Who exactly feels the pain of a bad signing decision? Who feels it in the pocket when profits are low or non existent?
Conversely, when we drill into the organisational structure of a successful club like the chooks, we find the owner is also the chairman.

 

[Russell]

I don't really understand the hate on Reynolds and Packer.

This situation is not their fault, they're not up to standard anymore and will not/should not get picked if we don't need them/they don't improve. Ivan gave them these contracts, they have every right to see it out and work away at trying to come back into grade. If it doesn't happen, sucks for us and them.

Blame Ivan.

No point in blaming Ivan he isn’t here to take the heat. Blame the two lads for not being up to standard.
If you’re a top paid employee at a major firm and you under perform, you get the punt. Simple!

No you don't if you have a contract.

You can be terminated and paid out, otherwise how does court sound.

 

[Tiger5150]

However it does point out one of our problems as Snake keeps pointing out. We as members have no power to put pressure on the board. They really answer to no one.

The Board answers to the owners.

We don't want members electing the Board. They do so at the Dogs and it is , apparently, a divided and divisive Board, with members belonging to various factions.

For most of our history our Board was divided between Wests and Balmain and it is the main reason our club underperformed for a large part of our history. We are still trying to recover from those divisive years.

We need a united Board, not one that represents and answers to the various factions.

Yes but the majority of the board is made up of board members of the owner..

So they answer to themselves

Who exactly is the owner of Wests Tigers football club?


My point is that the WT is like an unwanted child whose parents are a complex organisational structure with other priorities.
It’s a structure which encourages self preservation and comfort. Who exactly feels the pain of a bad signing decision? Who feels it in the pocket when profits are low or non existent?

The guys paying the bills, Ashfield and Brydens. The guys that control the board. Why would they not be encouraging success? FWIW they have been successful in achieving off field success (membership numbers and profits), they need to translate it to on field.

Conversely, when we drill into the organisational structure of a successful club like the chooks, we find the owner is also the chairman.

The Roosters are owned by Eastern Suburbs District Rugby League Football Club Limited. Nick Politis is the Chairman but is no longer an (official) sponsor, he also doesnt own the Roosters. Tigers Chairman is our major sponsor.

 

[JC99]

I’ve lost all respect for Reynolds. The guy has no integrity and is happy to do nothing for his pay cheque. The club can’t make it any clearer that he isn’t wanted. Yet he is happy to be 18th man , earning $25k a week doing absolutely nothing.

I'd be happy if we could move Josh R along but nothing I've seen from him suggests he's happy being 18th man.

The fact he was signed by the previous coach and doesn't appear to be in the plans of the current coach doesn't mean he's not keen to get on the field. In fact I'd say it's killing him not being able - or picked - to play.

It’s josh Reynolds, all he wants to do is play footy. Madge regularly applauds him for how hard he works at training and Ronnie Palmer called him the fittest at the club. Those aren’t the characteristics of a guy who’s happy to sit on the bench and not play.

Disagree. It does not look like that at all to me. Madge and co say good things about him publicly, like they say good things about Packer, because you have no chance of ever getting another club interested in them if you don't. Even then no other club is interested anyway.

It's been made abundantly clear to both of them that the coach wants them out of the club, it's been made clear by them not being picked very often at all in the run on team.

If all Reynolds wants to do is play footy, then why does he stay at a club where he is clearly not wanted? Where he a lot of the time is not even chosen to play footy? He is on a good wicket with the money he is on, he has no better options, and he's just riding it out. Hard to condemn him, as it it Ivan's fault, but there's certainly no dignity in it. Personally I'll be glad to see both their names off our books.

To be fair why would he go to England if he’s found a girl here and has good business going here can’t force him to move, and he has been offered to other clubs and I’m sure he would be keen to move if another club wants him, problem is none of them do.

At this point in time his only choice is to stay at WT, that doesn’t mean he’s moping around and doesn’t care about playing all he does his work to
Get back into the team and every coach and player says the same thing.

I know it would be nice to have him off our books but let’s not question his character or dignity, not one of us would do any different in his situation.


I dont like him as a player and I dont like him as a bloke (mutual acquaintances) but I would agree up until lately that in difficult circumstances he has seemed to maintain a reasonable attitude and put in, however him leaving at half time at Brooky, coupled with the reports that he was a no show at the awards night indicate to me that he has thrown in the towel and is a passenger collecting his salary.

How true is that awards night thing? I never read that anywhere except here, the media would’ve jumped all over that story I’m sure. Worst thing he did was leave the manly game but that doesn’t take away from everything else he does.

He’s not the kind of bloke to slack off and the players and coaches back that up, problem is he’s overpaid and underperforming and no other clubs want to touch him, I reckon he would jump at the chance to move to bulldogs or somewhere else in the NRL to play more first grade

 

[tigerap]

The days of so called big name players getting the big biscuits and underperforming are over

 

[TigerWest]

The days of so called big name players getting the big biscuits and underperforming are over

There are a lot of clubs with bigger problems than us.

I don’t think you can ever guarantee a player will perform to the standards that he was signed for.

 

[twentyforty]

However it does point out one of our problems as Snake keeps pointing out. We as members have no power to put pressure on the board. They really answer to no one.

The Board answers to the owners.

We don't want members electing the Board. They do so at the Dogs and it is , apparently, a divided and divisive Board, with members belonging to various factions.

For most of our history our Board was divided between Wests and Balmain and it is the main reason our club underperformed for a large part of our history. We are still trying to recover from those divisive years.

We need a united Board, not one that represents and answers to the various factions.

Yes but the majority of the board is made up of board members of the owner..

So they answer to themselves

Who exactly is the owner of Wests Tigers football club?


My point is that the WT is like an unwanted child whose parents are a complex organisational structure with other priorities.
It’s a structure which encourages self preservation and comfort. Who exactly feels the pain of a bad signing decision? Who feels it in the pocket when profits are low or non existent?

The guys paying the bills, Ashfield and Brydens. The guys that control the board. Why would they not be encouraging success? FWIW they have been successful in achieving off field success (membership numbers and profits), they need to translate it to on field.

Conversely, when we drill into the organisational structure of a successful club like the chooks, we find the owner is also the chairman.

The Roosters are owned by Eastern Suburbs District Rugby League Football Club Limited. Nick Politis is the Chairman but is no longer an (official) sponsor, he also doesnt own the Roosters. Tigers Chairman is our major sponsor.

As of today, the company Wests Magpies Pty Ltd (which is made up of 33% WSDRLFC
and 66% Wests Ashfield Leagues Club) are majority owners/shareholders of the Wests Tigers NRL Franchise.

The Wests Tigers Name/Brand and Logo are controlled trademarks of the ARL Commission,
hence they cannot be re-named or altered by

A sponsor, such as Brydens, simply buys advertising.

You’ve named the roosters parent company.

 

[Tiger5150]

However it does point out one of our problems as Snake keeps pointing out. We as members have no power to put pressure on the board. They really answer to no one.

The Board answers to the owners.

We don't want members electing the Board. They do so at the Dogs and it is , apparently, a divided and divisive Board, with members belonging to various factions.

For most of our history our Board was divided between Wests and Balmain and it is the main reason our club underperformed for a large part of our history. We are still trying to recover from those divisive years.

We need a united Board, not one that represents and answers to the various factions.

Yes but the majority of the board is made up of board members of the owner..

So they answer to themselves

Who exactly is the owner of Wests Tigers football club?


My point is that the WT is like an unwanted child whose parents are a complex organisational structure with other priorities.
It’s a structure which encourages self preservation and comfort. Who exactly feels the pain of a bad signing decision? Who feels it in the pocket when profits are low or non existent?

The guys paying the bills, Ashfield and Brydens. The guys that control the board. Why would they not be encouraging success? FWIW they have been successful in achieving off field success (membership numbers and profits), they need to translate it to on field.

Conversely, when we drill into the organisational structure of a successful club like the chooks, we find the owner is also the chairman.

The Roosters are owned by Eastern Suburbs District Rugby League Football Club Limited. Nick Politis is the Chairman but is no longer an (official) sponsor, he also doesnt own the Roosters. Tigers Chairman is our major sponsor.


As of today, the company Wests Magpies Pty Ltd (which is made up of 33% WSDRLFC
and 66% Wests Ashfield Leagues Club) are majority owners/shareholders of the Wests Tigers NRL Franchise.

The Wests Tigers Name/Brand and Logo are controlled trademarks of the ARL Commission,
hence they cannot be re-named or altered by

A sponsor, such as Brydens, simply buys advertising.

You’ve named the roosters parent company.

Not true. You said that the Roosters were owned by Politis. They are not privately owned, they are owned by the Football Club. Politis does not own the Roosters.

I am aware of what a sponsor is. I am also aware that our major sponsor pours in the majority of cash, probably only behind the NRL & Ashfield and the point is that the person paying the money is the Chairman which of course is the point that you were trying to make regarding Politis.

 

[Needaname]

A bit of a whisper from Souths, JAC will sign for next season.

heard anything else from around the traps mate?

Heard an interesting story, names have been changed to protect the guilty:
A couple of players on cheap contracts but in good form are playing golf with a used car salesman. The used car salesman bets the players $25,000 each he can outdrive them on a particular hole. The players easily hit the ball further than the used car salesman and collect $25,000. Won the bets fair and square, nothing to see here...and re-signed again for unders...

Poor Flanagan. Must have an absolutely terrible golf swing.

 

[851]

I’ve lost all respect for Reynolds. The guy has no integrity and is happy to do nothing for his pay cheque. The club can’t make it any clearer that he isn’t wanted. Yet he is happy to be 18th man , earning $25k a week doing absolutely nothing.

I'd be happy if we could move Josh R along but nothing I've seen from him suggests he's happy being 18th man.

The fact he was signed by the previous coach and doesn't appear to be in the plans of the current coach doesn't mean he's not keen to get on the field. In fact I'd say it's killing him not being able - or picked - to play.

It’s josh Reynolds, all he wants to do is play footy. Madge regularly applauds him for how hard he works at training and Ronnie Palmer called him the fittest at the club. Those aren’t the characteristics of a guy who’s happy to sit on the bench and not play.

Disagree. It does not look like that at all to me. Madge and co say good things about him publicly, like they say good things about Packer, because you have no chance of ever getting another club interested in them if you don't. Even then no other club is interested anyway.

It's been made abundantly clear to both of them that the coach wants them out of the club, it's been made clear by them not being picked very often at all in the run on team.

If all Reynolds wants to do is play footy, then why does he stay at a club where he is clearly not wanted? Where he a lot of the time is not even chosen to play footy? He is on a good wicket with the money he is on, he has no better options, and he's just riding it out. Hard to condemn him, as it it Ivan's fault, but there's certainly no dignity in it. Personally I'll be glad to see both their names off our books.

To be fair why would he go to England if he’s found a girl here and has good business going here can’t force him to move, and he has been offered to other clubs and I’m sure he would be keen to move if another club wants him, problem is none of them do.

At this point in time his only choice is to stay at WT, that doesn’t mean he’s moping around and doesn’t care about playing all he does his work to
Get back into the team and every coach and player says the same thing.

I know it would be nice to have him off our books but let’s not question his character or dignity, not one of us would do any different in his situation.


I dont like him as a player and I dont like him as a bloke (mutual acquaintances) but I would agree up until lately that in difficult circumstances he has seemed to maintain a reasonable attitude and put in, however him leaving at half time at Brooky, coupled with the reports that he was a no show at the awards night indicate to me that he has thrown in the towel and is a passenger collecting his salary.

Yes he is paid way too much, not his fault, but the club hasn't really treated him fairly in his time here, but for the most part he just copped it and trained hard. I have never seen any other club treat a supposed marquee signing like we have treated him, his continual non selection even though the bloke ahead of him was in worse form would have been hard to take. So if he has said to himself I am staying and collecting my money, I can't blame him,


Entitled to your opinion 851, mines different. Even though Benji wasnt in great form (particularly defensively) I would still have picked Benji over Reynolds everyday. Benji offers a lot more in attack and has a better (stull not great) kicking game. I dont think there is that much in it, your opinion is valid, they both have strengths and weaknesses but for me the point is that JR wasnt not excelling to the point of demanding week in week out selection.

The other critical thing is, you say he "trained hard". How do you know this? Maybe that is the reason he didnt get picked. Maybe his training efforts were in line with what we saw at Brooky and the awards night. You and I dont know, but that is possible and would explain his non selection (his lack of ability would be the other possibility).

I dont blame him for hanging around and collecting his money, its a contract. If his leaving Brooky at half time and not showing up at the awards night is an indication of his attitude, I DO blame him for that. I see no evidence that he has been treated badly by the club.

I have seen no proof he left the awards night, Madge said he trained very well, and we looked our best this year with Brooks and Grub in the halves, almost rolled Penrith.
Benji has his moments, but shocking defence and low percentage plays are just not cutting it at NRL level, he should have been dropped.
But looking forward Grub was keen to go back to the dogs, but the dogs board stopped it, no club is willing to take him, what is he supposed to do, walk away and give up $800k

 

[happy_tiger]

A bit of a whisper from Souths, JAC will sign for next season.

heard anything else from around the traps mate?

Heard an interesting story, names have been changed to protect the guilty:
A couple of players on cheap contracts but in good form are playing golf with a used car salesman. The used car salesman bets the players $25,000 each he can outdrive them on a particular hole. The players easily hit the ball further than the used car salesman and collect $25,000. Won the bets fair and square, nothing to see here...and re-signed again for unders...

Poor Flanagan. Must have an absolutely terrible golf swing.

Needs to help with his scorecard perhaps ......1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 =4

 

[Tiger5150]

I’ve lost all respect for Reynolds. The guy has no integrity and is happy to do nothing for his pay cheque. The club can’t make it any clearer that he isn’t wanted. Yet he is happy to be 18th man , earning $25k a week doing absolutely nothing.

I'd be happy if we could move Josh R along but nothing I've seen from him suggests he's happy being 18th man.

The fact he was signed by the previous coach and doesn't appear to be in the plans of the current coach doesn't mean he's not keen to get on the field. In fact I'd say it's killing him not being able - or picked - to play.

It’s josh Reynolds, all he wants to do is play footy. Madge regularly applauds him for how hard he works at training and Ronnie Palmer called him the fittest at the club. Those aren’t the characteristics of a guy who’s happy to sit on the bench and not play.

Disagree. It does not look like that at all to me. Madge and co say good things about him publicly, like they say good things about Packer, because you have no chance of ever getting another club interested in them if you don't. Even then no other club is interested anyway.

It's been made abundantly clear to both of them that the coach wants them out of the club, it's been made clear by them not being picked very often at all in the run on team.

If all Reynolds wants to do is play footy, then why does he stay at a club where he is clearly not wanted? Where he a lot of the time is not even chosen to play footy? He is on a good wicket with the money he is on, he has no better options, and he's just riding it out. Hard to condemn him, as it it Ivan's fault, but there's certainly no dignity in it. Personally I'll be glad to see both their names off our books.

To be fair why would he go to England if he’s found a girl here and has good business going here can’t force him to move, and he has been offered to other clubs and I’m sure he would be keen to move if another club wants him, problem is none of them do.

At this point in time his only choice is to stay at WT, that doesn’t mean he’s moping around and doesn’t care about playing all he does his work to
Get back into the team and every coach and player says the same thing.

I know it would be nice to have him off our books but let’s not question his character or dignity, not one of us would do any different in his situation.


I dont like him as a player and I dont like him as a bloke (mutual acquaintances) but I would agree up until lately that in difficult circumstances he has seemed to maintain a reasonable attitude and put in, however him leaving at half time at Brooky, coupled with the reports that he was a no show at the awards night indicate to me that he has thrown in the towel and is a passenger collecting his salary.

Yes he is paid way too much, not his fault, but the club hasn't really treated him fairly in his time here, but for the most part he just copped it and trained hard. I have never seen any other club treat a supposed marquee signing like we have treated him, his continual non selection even though the bloke ahead of him was in worse form would have been hard to take. So if he has said to himself I am staying and collecting my money, I can't blame him,


Entitled to your opinion 851, mines different. Even though Benji wasnt in great form (particularly defensively) I would still have picked Benji over Reynolds everyday. Benji offers a lot more in attack and has a better (stull not great) kicking game. I dont think there is that much in it, your opinion is valid, they both have strengths and weaknesses but for me the point is that JR wasnt not excelling to the point of demanding week in week out selection.

The other critical thing is, you say he "trained hard". How do you know this? Maybe that is the reason he didnt get picked. Maybe his training efforts were in line with what we saw at Brooky and the awards night. You and I dont know, but that is possible and would explain his non selection (his lack of ability would be the other possibility).

I dont blame him for hanging around and collecting his money, its a contract. If his leaving Brooky at half time and not showing up at the awards night is an indication of his attitude, I DO blame him for that. I see no evidence that he has been treated badly by the club.

I have seen no proof he left the awards night, Madge said he trained very well, and we looked our best this year with Brooks and Grub in the halves, almost rolled Penrith.
Benji has his moments, but shocking defence and low percentage plays are just not cutting it at NRL level, he should have been dropped.
But looking forward Grub was keen to go back to the dogs, but the dogs board stopped it, no club is willing to take him, what is he supposed to do, walk away and give up $800k

I dont blame Reynolds at all for hanging around and collecting his Contract money. I just hope that his attitude is still good. It was early in the season, the Brooky incident doesnt reflect well on his attitude and the awards night (if true) would seal the deal IMO.

 

[hsvjones]

My signing suggestions would be to go hard at cheap youth for 2021 as it’s probably a dead year anyway with so much salary cap wasted. As of November 1 I would be looking at; Staggs, Schonig, Hynes, Hoy, Burton, Leniu just to name a few off contract that may be realistic. Re-sign the Nofoaluma Blores etc, let go of Packer, Reynolds etc. Should have a good stash built up to hopefully catch a big fish or two like Titans

Agree and if we snag a big name for 2022 that club might release early as losing him anyway to create space for them.. its going to be a long few weeks before anything happens..:disappointed:

 

[Russell]

He is entitled to his money, but now that the whole “great clubman” myth has been exposed

"He is entitled to his money, but now that the whole “great clubman” myth has been exposed'

Why has he been exposed....

Because he doesn't want to move on to England (who would)?
Because he wants the money he is entitles to?
Because he is ready to play any time Madge picks him?
Because he will play any position the clubs wants him to play?

Think you are being a tad harsh on him myself.

He left mid game...

He did not attend a few club functions...

He had a fairly obvious sook last month when left out.

For the wage he is earning, he should at least sit through the games and cheer them on. "It was cold"...........

Oh! ok mate - if t hat is the best you can come up with - that'll do me.

Hey rus, I’m not having a go at all, so please don’t take this as a negative , but I notice you’re very pro player , for the most part , is there a reason behind that ?I’m just curious if there’s a good story there ?

Just think JRey is unfairly thought of in this instance. As far as I know, he signed a contract for 'X' amount and for 'X' years. It is up to the club and him to honour that agreement, unless they both decide to terminate the contract. Now, he had a number of problems, stood down during the false accusations and a number of injuries, which caused him to miss a number of games. Apart from that, he has, according to Madge trained well, played a number of games he was selected in and was available to play all the others in any position, if he had been selected. What else is he meant to do?

It is an argument between people, whether they thought he was better suited to play 5/8 rather than Marshall - whether the team played better with him and Brooks, rather than Benji, however the choice was the coaches and he made his decision. He went home at half time during the Brookvale game, the club did not feel the need to reprimand him for that, it was also reported on here (no where else) that he was a no show at the awards night - is that true or not? who knows? and if it was, did he not show because he was ill, his mother was ill, he had another engagement that he could not get out of? or did he show up for a short period of time and was not seen by the person/s on here that have an agenda? Once again who knows? but hang him anyway.

Personally I don't care how much money he is on - we agreed to pay it, if we choose to not play him and he is fit, is that his fault. Is it his fault that no other club wants his services? Is it his fault that he is selling property and making a profit? - he has to make a living as his football career is coming to a close. Nope, hang him for that as well.

Just want to keep an even perspective, as I think he is being unfairly spoken on here by a lot of posters, I'm just trying to put another side to the story to make it balance. I am not on the players side for the sake of it.

Have been against Jennings, a number of possible signings etc. Just post it the way I see it Strongee.

 

[diedpretty]

Its interesting to look at Parra's response to their "failure". ***Apparently the high powered lobby mob who put the last board out has now put the current board and hierarchy on notice*** that if they don't improve next year they can start looking elsewhere as well. They have told the board they want a complete reshuffle of the coaching staff bringing in Paul Green and Shane Flanagan as assistants and appointing Tim Sheens as coaching director. They are moving on 11 players. And they finished in the top 4. Admittedly this was in the DT so may be a load of rubbish. However it does point out one of our problems as Snake keeps pointing out. We as members have no power to put pressure on the board. They really answer to no one. All we can do is wring our hands and complain on here. I suppose pulling the plug on memberships would be way of showing our discontent but i wouldn't see many doing that.

I would not be using the Parra board structure as a benchmark. They have had a more disfunctional board than the Tigers for a long time including getting board members banned by the NRL Their board is a cluster and has been overseeing MANY wooden spoons and zero premierships in 35years. Their board is effectively the Leagues Club board which is not that far different to our structure. At the end of the day Ashfield and Brydens are paying the bills. Good set up to have the boss of the key sponsor as the chairman. If anyone is going to pressure for success, it is the paymasters and between Ashfield & Brydens they control the board.

I think my post has been entirely misunderstood. In no way would i want this club to be like Parra. What i was referring to was the panic buttons they have hit when they finish 4th compared to our laissez faire attitude when we finish 11th. I was also only making note of the fact that there is no way that either members of WA, Wests Football Club or WT have any power whatsoever when it comes to electing either the board at WA or WT.