Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[The_Patriot]

Honestly we need to be going hard after Angus Crichton. Forget Mansour etc.
A right edge of Douehi, Crichton, Roberts and Nofa would be top 4 stuff


Agree, Rorters don't let many good ones go though. Jayden Sua / Hudson Young more realistic choices. Both off-contract 2022, throw 650 at Jayden and 500 at Hudson, 3 plus 1 year in the club's favour with incentives. Both are young and are footballers, clubs won/t want to lose them but money talks.

I feel as if that doesn't do us any favours. Luc is just as good as them if not better. If we don't go after huge names like Crichton we should be going after young, cheap talent. Paying mid tier players big money is where this club keeps going wrong. The Roosters and the Storm are just a team of superstars and then very low wage players who play way above their salary. That's the key to winning



Agree with what you are saying and I'm not saying get both. But I do think either will be exceptional players and their next contract will be their first opportunity at a decent contract. Get in early before they become the next Angus...

No guarantee they do become the next Crichton though. I'd rather spend the money on a known superstar than spend 500-650k on someone decent. If you want to take a punt on a a player with upside go looking for other Luc Leilua's and get then on 200k

Disagree, disagree strongly.

If you want to finish higher than ninth youve got to take chances. The biggest being to back the recruitment arm of the club and their identification of talent.

It IS ONLY identification of talent that will lift this club up.

Once identified, unique and top end talent that others clubs are aware of can only be recruited to the club paying good money.

750k for a S.Crichton for instance is outstanding business if you end up with his signature.

 

[hank37w]

Zero tackle reckon Mbye could be on the outer without a guaranteed spot next year. Please be true!!!

Mbye is actually critical for 2021 now. Provides depth in fullback and 5/8 which we now need. If Walters leaves he’s even more critical.

This will make a change because up until now, everyone has been critical of Mbye.

 

[Nelson]

Our spine on paper is the worst in the NRL, find me a worse one

Bulldogs, Titans, Dragons, Warriors...

You can't be serious
Hoppa, Brimson, Dufty and Roger are all a million times better fullbacks than M'Bye
Whilst I like and rate AD he's unproven at 6 yet. Burton (maybe 2022), Norman, Taylor (playing 6 outside of a controlling 7) and Harris-Tevita are all more proven 6's
I'd have any of Flanagan, Fogerty, Hunt or Kodi Nikorima instead of Brooks
And lastly at hooker we are ahead of the dogs, probably on par with Titans and Warriors with Rein and Jazz Tevanga and miles behind the Dragons with McInnis

Tevaga was playing 13 for the Warriors with Egan and Lawton playing 9. He did not play hooker at all for the Warriors in all of 2020. Why are you using him for the comparison? McInness was also spent half of his time playing lock for the Dragons. They had Brittain, Isaac Luke and I can't even remember who else covering the rest of the time at hooker and it was all garbage. Rein is an absolute journeyman who offers nothing. No club **at all** would sign Rein over Liddle and/or Simpkin and that should tell you all you need to know.

Taylor and Norman are proven 6's alright - proven garbage. They have done nothing for years. Burton doesn't even play for the Bulldogs yet - try Lachlan "I'll take 10 seconds to set up for a bomb" Lewis. Harris-Tevita has not lived up to expectations in his 30 odd games so far, I'd rather be taking a roll on AD.

Dufty and Hoppa are not "a million times better" than Mbye on any sensible assessment - Hoppa was moved from fullback for Mbye at the Dogs for a reason - he has no ball playing ability at all and just runs a lot. Dufty is useless in defence and a confidence player, not a consistent player (yet anyway).

Brooks had a down 2020 but has had some very good years in the past, including Dally M half of the year in 2018. His best is much better than anything that Flanagan (who has never done anything), Fogarty (played half a dozen games) or Kodi Nikorima (can run and that's it) have shown.

So yes, I'm serious.

 

[happy_tiger]

Getting B.Smith will be the difference between us being a top 4 side or being a bottom 8 side for the next 10 years.
Imo we can't wait 3yrs to see if one of our current 9s is a rep player then go looking for one if they're not.

This is the biggest get the club could pull off for a long time

Disagree - he is not as good a DH as Liddle - good at a lot of other things but his passing from the ruck is rank.

Thats why he plays for NZ and Liddle struggles to make a side that has finished out of the 8 for 2 decades

If you think Smiths passing from the ruck, or speed from the ruck is better than Liddle - you are delusional.

Besides Liddle can't play for NZ - he is not a NZ'er.

If you think Liddle is a better player you're beyond delusional

So why has he played for the jr Kiwis, New Zealand and New Zealand Maori if he's not a Kiwi?

Liddle was an Aust Schoolboy star. He has been sought after by Manly, Canterbury and ironically the Storm but always stuck with WTs. Smith is a fine player but more a running and impact forward. Liddle has a great pass from dummy half and is super quick.

Lot's of Australian schoolboy stars now laying pipes on the side of the road. Schoolboy stars are a dime a dozen and don't matter once you hit the NRL.
I have a great pass and I'm super quick too.
I'll take Smith over Liddle in any position, different league of player.

But Liddle isn't laying pipes or digging ditches. To come back from such a severe injury and perform so well is a high achievement. Comparing Liddle and Smith won't get you far as they are different types of player. If Smith were at our club there is every indication he would be played from the interchange as a running impact forward. Liddle and Simpkin would still be our hookers.

For me, Liddle is a future Captain. He is articulate and in every interview I have heard, he is impressive.

My only concern with Liddle is we haven't yet seen that speed he had pre ACL ...and that was his greatest strength imo

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Getting B.Smith will be the difference between us being a top 4 side or being a bottom 8 side for the next 10 years.
Imo we can't wait 3yrs to see if one of our current 9s is a rep player then go looking for one if they're not.

This is the biggest get the club could pull off for a long time

Disagree - he is not as good a DH as Liddle - good at a lot of other things but his passing from the ruck is rank.

Thats why he plays for NZ and Liddle struggles to make a side that has finished out of the 8 for 2 decades

If you think Smiths passing from the ruck, or speed from the ruck is better than Liddle - you are delusional.

Besides Liddle can't play for NZ - he is not a NZ'er.

If you think Liddle is a better player you're beyond delusional

So why has he played for the jr Kiwis, New Zealand and New Zealand Maori if he's not a Kiwi?

Liddle was an Aust Schoolboy star. He has been sought after by Manly, Canterbury and ironically the Storm but always stuck with WTs. Smith is a fine player but more a running and impact forward. Liddle has a great pass from dummy half and is super quick.

Lot's of Australian schoolboy stars now laying pipes on the side of the road. Schoolboy stars are a dime a dozen and don't matter once you hit the NRL.
I have a great pass and I'm super quick too.
I'll take Smith over Liddle in any position, different league of player.

But Liddle isn't laying pipes or digging ditches. To come back from such a severe injury and perform so well is a high achievement. Comparing Liddle and Smith won't get you far as they are different types of player. If Smith were at our club there is every indication he would be played from the interchange as a running impact forward. Liddle and Simpkin would still be our hookers.

For me, Liddle is a future Captain. He is articulate and in every interview I have heard, he is impressive.

My only concern with Liddle is we haven't yet seen that speed he had pre ACL ...and that was his greatest strength imo

I heard Maguire when interviewed advised Liddle was faster after the injury. Imagine next year when fully recovered.

 

[Rusty]

Honestly we need to be going hard after Angus Crichton. Forget Mansour etc.
A right edge of Douehi, Crichton, Roberts and Nofa would be top 4 stuff


Agree, Rorters don't let many good ones go though. Jayden Sua / Hudson Young more realistic choices. Both off-contract 2022, throw 650 at Jayden and 500 at Hudson, 3 plus 1 year in the club's favour with incentives. Both are young and are footballers, clubs won/t want to lose them but money talks.

I feel as if that doesn't do us any favours. Luc is just as good as them if not better. If we don't go after huge names like Crichton we should be going after young, cheap talent. Paying mid tier players big money is where this club keeps going wrong. The Roosters and the Storm are just a team of superstars and then very low wage players who play way above their salary. That's the key to winning



Agree with what you are saying and I'm not saying get both. But I do think either will be exceptional players and their next contract will be their first opportunity at a decent contract. Get in early before they become the next Angus...

No guarantee they do become the next Crichton though. I'd rather spend the money on a known superstar than spend 500-650k on someone decent. If you want to take a punt on a a player with upside go looking for other Luc Leilua's and get then on 200k

No guarantees agree, but when there is very limited availability of grade A talent to go around the next best thing is for our management to identify the next best thing. Steff Utoikamano WT paid good money for him straight out, I'm not saying we pay massive overs for Sua / Young not by a long shot, but enough to entice one or two future stars "hopefully" here and reap the rewards for years to come.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Agree with all your comments,and as i said along with others i have hope.But to be realistic to think that all of these problems will be fixed next year is stretching common sense.Ive said repeatedly that recruitment has been good and not many quality players around in those positions.I expect they are guarding the dollars for 2022 key players,and they will nurse the side this year hoping for the 8 .



We need a really strong year, otherwise, it won't matter how much money we have!

Yep if we finish 13th -16th we will struggle to get top talent ....really is a crucial season no matter what way you look at it

Agree with all your comments,and as i said along with others i have hope.But to be realistic to think that all of these problems will be fixed next year is stretching common sense.Ive said repeatedly that recruitment has been good and not many quality players around in those positions.I expect they are guarding the dollars for 2022 key players,and they will nurse the side this year hoping for the 8 .



We need a really strong year, otherwise, it won't matter how much money we have!

Yep if we finish 13th -16th we will struggle to get top talent ....really is a crucial season no matter what way you look at it

The Titans have been an embarrassment for nearly every season of their 14 years, yet they have signed a stack of blokes for '21. Money talks, throw down enough breadcrumbs and the cockroaches will come out from under the fridge.

 

[sleeve]

Barret has a bit of star status,the man that made the Panthers backine.His coaching record at Manly was nothing special but the media have always been kind to the dogs and Barret, Plus the dogs have a lot of pull in the NRL.Lets see how it turns out.

 

[happy_tiger]

Agree with all your comments,and as i said along with others i have hope.But to be realistic to think that all of these problems will be fixed next year is stretching common sense.Ive said repeatedly that recruitment has been good and not many quality players around in those positions.I expect they are guarding the dollars for 2022 key players,and they will nurse the side this year hoping for the 8 .



We need a really strong year, otherwise, it won't matter how much money we have!

Yep if we finish 13th -16th we will struggle to get top talent ....really is a crucial season no matter what way you look at it

Agree with all your comments,and as i said along with others i have hope.But to be realistic to think that all of these problems will be fixed next year is stretching common sense.Ive said repeatedly that recruitment has been good and not many quality players around in those positions.I expect they are guarding the dollars for 2022 key players,and they will nurse the side this year hoping for the 8 .



We need a really strong year, otherwise, it won't matter how much money we have!

Yep if we finish 13th -16th we will struggle to get top talent ....really is a crucial season no matter what way you look at it

The Titans have been an embarrassment for nearly every season of their 14 years, yet they have signed a stack of blokes for '21. Money talks, throw down enough breadcrumbs and the cockroaches will come out from under the fridge.

Yeah but a lot of that is blokes wanting to stay in Qld ...and currently the Titans is the No 1 Qld side

 

[WT46]

Barret has a bit of star status,the man that made the Panthers backine.His coaching record at Manly was nothing special but the media have always been kind to the dogs and Barret, Plus the dogs have a lot of pull in the NRL.Lets see how it turns out.

They'll finish dead last

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Barret has a bit of star status,the man that made the Panthers backine.His coaching record at Manly was nothing special but the media have always been kind to the dogs and Barret, Plus the dogs have a lot of pull in the NRL.Lets see how it turns out.

They'll finish dead last

I agree . They’ve put so much stock in Flanagan and Cotric , how is that any different to them throwing thier eggs in to the DWZ and Foran basket . I don’t see it . I think Remis Smith a sneaky big loss to that backline , and Cotric may lead to 1 more win than last year . They still have no dummy half , no 6 , and no fullback. Maybe if they get JAC and burton over the line for 2022, they will go better . But where are thier forwards ? Hetherington is a good bench spark plug , but he’s hardly going to move the needle , if at all .

 

[ATown]

Rumour Talau to Manly, don't know how true this is.

A lot of the western suburb boys are going there do they even have a junior base

Who's gone there?

A lot of Westfield boys

Shuster - **Josh Schuster**
The 9 that banned - **Manase Fainu**
The centre who was with us - **Moses Suli**
The winger from saints - **Jason Saab**


Probably few more bad with names

There's some names for you.

That’s a fun game.

 

[swag_tiger]

@THE_POM what's the latest recruitment news?

 

[tigerap]

@THE_POM what's the latest recruitment news?

It’s holiday time.....enjoy the festive season

 

[sleeve]

Ithink the player agents are biding their time at the moment,hoping to get more money .Maybe mid year before making the call on where to sign.Probably as many as 8 clubs looking at top players.Also with young players not on show last year ,clubs want to see the talent availiable in the lower grades.

 

[sleeve]

Agree with all your comments,and as i said along with others i have hope.But to be realistic to think that all of these problems will be fixed next year is stretching common sense.Ive said repeatedly that recruitment has been good and not many quality players around in those positions.I expect they are guarding the dollars for 2022 key players,and they will nurse the side this year hoping for the 8 .



We need a really strong year, otherwise, it won't matter how much money we have!

Yep if we finish 13th -16th we will struggle to get top talent ....really is a crucial season no matter what way you look at it

Agree with all your comments,and as i said along with others i have hope.But to be realistic to think that all of these problems will be fixed next year is stretching common sense.Ive said repeatedly that recruitment has been good and not many quality players around in those positions.I expect they are guarding the dollars for 2022 key players,and they will nurse the side this year hoping for the 8 .



We need a really strong year, otherwise, it won't matter how much money we have!

Yep if we finish 13th -16th we will struggle to get top talent ....really is a crucial season no matter what way you look at it

The Titans have been an embarrassment for nearly every season of their 14 years, yet they have signed a stack of blokes for '21. Money talks, throw down enough breadcrumbs and the cockroaches will come out from under the fridge.

Top talent will be signed before the end of next year as always.

 

[Leck]

Honestly we need to be going hard after Angus Crichton. Forget Mansour etc.
A right edge of Douehi, Crichton, Roberts and Nofa would be top 4 stuff


Agree, Rorters don't let many good ones go though. Jayden Sua / Hudson Young more realistic choices. Both off-contract 2022, throw 650 at Jayden and 500 at Hudson, 3 plus 1 year in the club's favour with incentives. Both are young and are footballers, clubs won/t want to lose them but money talks.

I feel as if that doesn't do us any favours. Luc is just as good as them if not better. If we don't go after huge names like Crichton we should be going after young, cheap talent. Paying mid tier players big money is where this club keeps going wrong. The Roosters and the Storm are just a team of superstars and then very low wage players who play way above their salary. That's the key to winning



Agree with what you are saying and I'm not saying get both. But I do think either will be exceptional players and their next contract will be their first opportunity at a decent contract. Get in early before they become the next Angus...

No guarantee they do become the next Crichton though. I'd rather spend the money on a known superstar than spend 500-650k on someone decent. If you want to take a punt on a a player with upside go looking for other Luc Leilua's and get then on 200k



Disagree, disagree strongly.

If you want to finish higher than ninth youve got to take chances. The biggest being to back the recruitment arm of the club and their identification of talent.

It IS ONLY identification of talent that will lift this club up.

Once identified, unique and top end talent that others clubs are aware of can only be recruited to the club paying good money.

750k for a S.Crichton for instance is outstanding business if you end up with his signature.

Please, S.Chricton over 2 seasons is still unproven, and definitely not worth $750K p/y

One good season in a crazy COVID year is far from stats to hang your hat on, he was part of an excellent pack and spine and benefited from it in 2020

$750K... thank god you're not running our recruitment

 

[WT46]

Barret has a bit of star status,the man that made the Panthers backine.His coaching record at Manly was nothing special but the media have always been kind to the dogs and Barret, Plus the dogs have a lot of pull in the NRL.Lets see how it turns out.

They'll finish dead last

I agree . They’ve put so much stock in Flanagan and Cotric , how is that any different to them throwing thier eggs in to the DWZ and Foran basket . I don’t see it . I think Remis Smith a sneaky big loss to that backline , and Cotric may lead to 1 more win than last year . They still have no dummy half , no 6 , and no fullback. Maybe if they get JAC and burton over the line for 2022, they will go better . But where are thier forwards ? Hetherington is a good bench spark plug , but he’s hardly going to move the needle , if at all .

Got a feeling JAC will turn up like DWZ. Wants to be a fullback but in reality, a dud. Eventually moved back to wing with big money and he'll be laughing all the way to the bank. Stupid doggies. Reimis was a great player. Obviously the media is too nice to criticize that shambles of a club??

 

[tony soprano]

Barret has a bit of star status,the man that made the Panthers backine.His coaching record at Manly was nothing special but the media have always been kind to the dogs and Barret, Plus the dogs have a lot of pull in the NRL.Lets see how it turns out.

He has learnt his lesson is the narrative

 

[The_Patriot]

Honestly we need to be going hard after Angus Crichton. Forget Mansour etc.
A right edge of Douehi, Crichton, Roberts and Nofa would be top 4 stuff


Agree, Rorters don't let many good ones go though. Jayden Sua / Hudson Young more realistic choices. Both off-contract 2022, throw 650 at Jayden and 500 at Hudson, 3 plus 1 year in the club's favour with incentives. Both are young and are footballers, clubs won/t want to lose them but money talks.

I feel as if that doesn't do us any favours. Luc is just as good as them if not better. If we don't go after huge names like Crichton we should be going after young, cheap talent. Paying mid tier players big money is where this club keeps going wrong. The Roosters and the Storm are just a team of superstars and then very low wage players who play way above their salary. That's the key to winning



Agree with what you are saying and I'm not saying get both. But I do think either will be exceptional players and their next contract will be their first opportunity at a decent contract. Get in early before they become the next Angus...

No guarantee they do become the next Crichton though. I'd rather spend the money on a known superstar than spend 500-650k on someone decent. If you want to take a punt on a a player with upside go looking for other Luc Leilua's and get then on 200k



Disagree, disagree strongly.

If you want to finish higher than ninth youve got to take chances. The biggest being to back the recruitment arm of the club and their identification of talent.

It IS ONLY identification of talent that will lift this club up.

Once identified, unique and top end talent that others clubs are aware of can only be recruited to the club paying good money.

750k for a S.Crichton for instance is outstanding business if you end up with his signature.


Please, S.Chricton over 2 seasons is still unproven, and definitely not worth $750K p/y

One good season in a crazy COVID year is far from stats to hang your hat on, he was part of an excellent pack and spine and benefited from it in 2020

$750K... thank god you're not running our recruitment

As if I could do worse than Packer, Mybe , Reynolds etc.

I could close my eyes and recruit better.

Keep on enjoying 9th

You're mentality is why we are where we are right now.