Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Holden]

Liddles ability and durability is unproven at this stage.Simpkins at 19 aint quite ready in all probablility
But why chase a "top 6"hooker at big $$ without taking a peek under the hood and see what these two can do??
If were gonna spend that sort of $$ ,grab a proven full back or half back..and get someone better than 6th best!!
We need to aim higher

We can see what they can do. Liddle has all of next season to prove himself. Simpkin is here for another two seasons. If Liddle gets injured again we shouldn’t keep him - if he plays all season then he can show us whether he’s up to that level.

By 2022 we can’t be sitting around and waiting to see if all our guys come good. We need to have a competitive team that’s consistently makin finals

That's a really really good statement. 100% We can't still be waiting for coal to turn into diamonds by 2022.

 

[JC99]

Liddles ability and durability is unproven at this stage.Simpkins at 19 aint quite ready in all probablility
But why chase a "top 6"hooker at big $$ without taking a peek under the hood and see what these two can do??
If were gonna spend that sort of $$ ,grab a proven full back or half back..and get someone better than 6th best!!
We need to aim higher

We can see what they can do. Liddle has all of next season to prove himself. Simpkin is here for another two seasons. If Liddle gets injured again we shouldn’t keep him - if he plays all season then he can show us whether he’s up to that level.

By 2022 we can’t be sitting around and waiting to see if all our guys come good. We need to have a competitive team that’s consistently makin finals

That's a really really good statement. 100% We can't still be waiting for coal to turn into diamonds by 2022.

Obviously we will still have some young guys pushing for spots, ideally there’s always guys coming through the juniors but in our spine we need consistent quality players

 

[Holden]

Liddles ability and durability is unproven at this stage.Simpkins at 19 aint quite ready in all probablility
But why chase a "top 6"hooker at big $$ without taking a peek under the hood and see what these two can do??
If were gonna spend that sort of $$ ,grab a proven full back or half back..and get someone better than 6th best!!
We need to aim higher

We can see what they can do. Liddle has all of next season to prove himself. Simpkin is here for another two seasons. If Liddle gets injured again we shouldn’t keep him - if he plays all season then he can show us whether he’s up to that level.

By 2022 we can’t be sitting around and waiting to see if all our guys come good. We need to have a competitive team that’s consistently makin finals

That's a really really good statement. 100% We can't still be waiting for coal to turn into diamonds by 2022.

Obviously we will still have some young guys pushing for spots, ideally there’s always guys coming through the juniors but in our spine we need consistent quality players

Yea your right, I'll revise what i said

"That’s a really really good statement. 100% We can’t still be RELYING on coal to turn into diamonds by 2022."

 

[Rowdy12]

If McInness comes to us he'll play 13. You need a ball playing lock nowadays as the game is more centered around the ability to score points. The Twal mould of lock is over.
He'll play a role very similar to what Radley does at the Roosters

If you watched him when he played lock he barely passed it once. He just ran and got quick play the balls


I watched all the Dragons games in 2020, my better half and her family are all die-hard Dragons supporters.

At lock, McInnes helped them win 4 out of the 6 games he played there. Sure he played a fast running game, but he also laid a platform for the Dragons to attack on both sides of the ruck.

Some WT forum members seem to discount the importance of a ball playing lock in the modern game.

It's now even more important with the 6 again rule change.

The speed of the game has gone to another level - if we don't catch up we'll get left behind.

My comment wasnt meant as a derogatory one against him. Purely an observation as to how he played at 13. He was more of a Cam Murray 13 as opposed to a J Turbo or Radley who often play link man to the halves or tip on to another forward.

A small quick or 'ball playing lock'' (which is the most out dated term in rugby league btw) is only as good as his props. Can be effective when you have a strong prop rotation i.e JWH, Taukiaeho, Collins and Lui etc who have made big runs in the first three play the balls to then allow the 13 to make a 10m dart with a quick PTB which your play makers then work off. Cam Murry has effectively given Damien Cook a career through this. Without those initial dirty hit ups though the small 13 will actually become a detriment to the team.

My concern with McInness at 13 is whether or not the other middles would be strong enough to justify having him in the team.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

IMHO, we still have a few holes, so in the order of importance we shall target:
1) FB - Laurie, and Gebbie
2) 2nd row - Crichton
3) Lock - B Smith

 

[JC99]

Liddles ability and durability is unproven at this stage.Simpkins at 19 aint quite ready in all probablility
But why chase a "top 6"hooker at big $$ without taking a peek under the hood and see what these two can do??
If were gonna spend that sort of $$ ,grab a proven full back or half back..and get someone better than 6th best!!
We need to aim higher

We can see what they can do. Liddle has all of next season to prove himself. Simpkin is here for another two seasons. If Liddle gets injured again we shouldn’t keep him - if he plays all season then he can show us whether he’s up to that level.

By 2022 we can’t be sitting around and waiting to see if all our guys come good. We need to have a competitive team that’s consistently makin finals

That's a really really good statement. 100% We can't still be waiting for coal to turn into diamonds by 2022.

Obviously we will still have some young guys pushing for spots, ideally there’s always guys coming through the juniors but in our spine we need consistent quality players

Yea your right, I'll revise what i said

"That’s a really really good statement. 100% We can’t still be RELYING on coal to turn into diamonds by 2022."

I agree mate. We need to be a competitive team by then for sure

 

[clontarfkid]

Liddles ability and durability is unproven at this stage.Simpkins at 19 aint quite ready in all probablility
But why chase a "top 6"hooker at big $$ without **taking a peek under the hood and see what these two can do?**?
If were gonna spend that sort of $$ ,grab a proven full back or half back..and get someone better than 6th best!!
We need to aim higher

You could say that about any young player on our books
We cant continually wait and see how our younger players go
We need to act when someone becomes available
Look at Melbourne
Brandon Smith
Cameron Smith
Harry Grant
All hookers and all play for Melbourne
What's wrong with us getting a proven Hooker
If liddle or Simpkin fire then we are in a great position
Liddle can go to Hooker
McInnes can go to lock
We can loan out Simpkin just like Melbourne did with Grant
We will have bargaining power for once
It would be a great position to be in when we hold all the chips
Its not about halting the development of Simpkin as he can still be developed
Liddle can still be 1st choice Hooker
Its his job to keep it
It puts our club in a much stronger position

Thats exactly my point..Im unconvinced that McGuiness offers significant upside to what weve already got and have invested heaviliy in.If you said Harry Grant ,particularly at $700k,Id jump at that opportunity because hes a class above McGuiness and in all probability what we already have.
I guess I just dont rate Mcguiness any higher than the 6th best hooker in the comp as someone suggested,and Id like to think one of our incumbents will get at least to that point quickly.Weve got a season to find out

 

[PabloX]

We seem to be making ok recruitment decisions and not paying overs players. Based on that, I would find it highly unlikely we would be offering 700k to McInnes. 700k gets us a game changer and a long way toward buying the game managing half we need. 700 on a slow hooker/small lock would be another contract we spend 3/4 of the contract trying to unload. Strong NO for me at that price.

How many players are on $700k+ at the roosters?


Teddy, Cordner, Crighton, Hard-Graves, Keary. Manu, TKO, Radley and Friend would be very close. Suaalii as well

I reckon you're pretty close

 

[Chainlink]

IMHO, we still have a few holes, so in the order of importance we shall target:

FB - Laurie, and Gebbie
2nd row - Crichton
Lock - B Smith

1. Fullback
2. Halfback
3. Second row

 

[DGilly]

1. McInness will play 13 if he comes to us - clearly
2. Brandon Smith is leaving Melbourne so he can play hooker, he's not coming to us to play lock. Forget it

 

[tony soprano]

Ky rodwell and billy stempleton look like units

 

[Cairnstigers]

Liddles ability and durability is unproven at this stage.Simpkins at 19 aint quite ready in all probablility
But why chase a "top 6"hooker at big $$ without **taking a peek under the hood and see what these two can do?**?
If were gonna spend that sort of $$ ,grab a proven full back or half back..and get someone better than 6th best!!
We need to aim higher

You could say that about any young player on our books
We cant continually wait and see how our younger players go
We need to act when someone becomes available
Look at Melbourne
Brandon Smith
Cameron Smith
Harry Grant
All hookers and all play for Melbourne
What's wrong with us getting a proven Hooker
If liddle or Simpkin fire then we are in a great position
Liddle can go to Hooker
McInnes can go to lock
We can loan out Simpkin just like Melbourne did with Grant
We will have bargaining power for once
It would be a great position to be in when we hold all the chips
Its not about halting the development of Simpkin as he can still be developed
Liddle can still be 1st choice Hooker
Its his job to keep it
It puts our club in a much stronger position

Thats exactly my point..Im unconvinced that McGuiness offers significant upside to what weve already got and have invested heaviliy in.If you said Harry Grant ,particularly at $700k,Id jump at that opportunity because hes a class above McGuiness and in all probability what we already have.
I guess I just dont rate Mcguiness any higher than the 6th best hooker in the comp as someone suggested,and Id like to think one of our incumbents will get at least to that point quickly.Weve got a season to find out

Its McInnes not Mcguiness
I wouldn't want Ken or Kevin Mcguiness either

We wait a season to find out and McInnes will no longer be available
We could very well end up with what we have now with no improvement
I hope I am wrong like some hope they are right
Every club should look at upgrading every position if capable
Roosters signed Flanagan and let him go 12 months later because he wasn't good enough
They let Mitchell go for Cronk but Mitchell was already a very good half
We, like every other club needs to put the best possible side on the field week in week out
Depth and competition for spots is one of the keys to success
Liddle and Simpkin should be pushed real hard to succeed and to win a starting spot
We as supporters should not be afraid of that
It is a ? of $ really
At a guess I would say McInnes has a very high % of games played against those he has missed
We need good players available and on the park as often as possible

 

[tigerballs]

Liddles ability and durability is unproven at this stage.Simpkins at 19 aint quite ready in all probablility
But why chase a "top 6"hooker at big $$ without **taking a peek under the hood and see what these two can do?**?
If were gonna spend that sort of $$ ,grab a proven full back or half back..and get someone better than 6th best!!
We need to aim higher

You could say that about any young player on our books
We cant continually wait and see how our younger players go
We need to act when someone becomes available
Look at Melbourne
Brandon Smith
Cameron Smith
Harry Grant
All hookers and all play for Melbourne
What's wrong with us getting a proven Hooker
If liddle or Simpkin fire then we are in a great position
Liddle can go to Hooker
McInnes can go to lock
We can loan out Simpkin just like Melbourne did with Grant
We will have bargaining power for once
It would be a great position to be in when we hold all the chips
Its not about halting the development of Simpkin as he can still be developed
Liddle can still be 1st choice Hooker
Its his job to keep it
It puts our club in a much stronger position

Those 3 top class hookers you named from Melbourne, where did they sign those from?

 

[tigerballs]

Ky rodwell and billy stempleton look like units

Had a chat with Ron Palmer today, reckons Ky Rodwell is the best trainer at the club and will definitely be in the top 17. Also said Stefano needs to learn how to train and we've got more second row candidates than anything else. Wouldn't commit on AD playing 5/8.

 

[isaaktigers]


Have a look at this photos

See many people?

Out of all.... look at Seyfarth... BIG unit

Also Ky Rodwell just below him

 

[JC99]

Ky rodwell and billy stempleton look like units

Had a chat with Ron Palmer today, reckons Ky Rodwell is the best trainer at the club and will definitely be in the top 17. Also said Stefano needs to learn how to train and we've got more second row candidates than anything else. Wouldn't commit on AD playing 5/8.

Blore said that Stefano was one of the fittest forwards at the club so I wonder what ronnie means with that comment. Will be interesting to see if any of those train and trial guys get a deal, Rodwell and Fitzgibbon seem the most likely

 

[the_third]

McInnes is better than Liddle and Simpkin, why do people think he would be our backup hooker? He even made the NSW squad this year, he’s no backup.

McInnes made the squad but did not play. Nathan Peats is an origin hooker, how much should we offer him?

Look at their current form and tell me which ones better... McInnes had a very good year. Liddle hasn’t played that well consistently ever and Simpkin is a rookie. As it stands, McInnes would be the best hooker at the club.

Hopefully those two come good and we don’t even need to worry about signing a hooker, but fact is if McInnes came here it would be to be our first choice hooker as of right now

For me the issue with Liddle will be if he only plays 50% of the games in 2021 .....it then starts becoming like the Brooks situation ...when and where do you finally draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough

True.

He’s in a contract year and the coach is talking to other 9’s. I’d say the line is already being drawn

 

[cdinoz007]

Blore said that Stefano was one of the fittest forwards at the club so I wonder what ronnie means with that comment

He's come from Parra.

They have a talented roster, but look how they petered out towards the end of the season and how they failed in the finals.

Parra seem to be great at recruitment... but Brad Arthur will never lead a team to a Premiership.

Perhaps thats what he is hinting at?

 

[Holden]


Have a look at this photos

See many people?

Out of all.... look at Seyfarth... BIG unit

Also Ky Rodwell just below him

Think its the jacket, plus his probs older than most of these guys

 

[JC99]

Blore said that Stefano was one of the fittest forwards at the club so I wonder what ronnie means with that comment

He's come from Parra.

They have a talented roster, but look how they petered out towards the end of the season and how they failed in the finals.

Parra seem to be great at recruitment... but Brad Arthur will never lead a team to a Premiership.

Perhaps thats what he is hinting at?

Won’t take him long to learn the Madge ways. He’s a giant and super fit he could become anything