Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Rowdy12]

Is the Mansour rumour purely because he took the panthers stuff off his Instagram bio or is there an actual source to it?

 

[Speed2burn]

Is the Mansour rumour purely because he took the panthers stuff off his Instagram bio or is there an actual source to it?

I’ll only believe it when he starts following all tigers socials

 

[JC99]

I've said it before.
If mansour is blocking your path to first grade then you're not ready for first grade.
Madge has shown he doesn't care about reputations.

Exactly right. Tigers have for a long time had insufficient depth to put pressure on the incumbents. Madge and Co have made a point of recruiting depth across the roster, so there is both competition and backup for injury.

Madge has shown willingness to drop any player any reputation.

So I don't understand, if someone thinks Mansour is "no good", why he would be an obstacle for "good" juniors. You might even ask if Mansour is reasonable value to both add experience and competition to the roster. And it's this value proposition question that has caused the drawn-out process of determining Mansour's future.

What I do know for a fact is that the club rates Daine Laurie very highly and were very pleased that he agreed to sign on. The question of an early trade including Mansour has been on the table for quite some time.

Why not give Madge a late Christmas gift and let him start working with Laurie now, rather than have the kid bouncing around reserve grade for another year. The Harry Grant trade showed that it's in the contract club's best interests to let an up-and-coming player play grade as soon as they are ready rather than keep kicking around behind prominent incumbents.

At worst we gain Mansour, who is decent without being a bad footballer. And maybe even then it puts pressure on Nofo to sign for a decent amount, or good luck to him if he chooses to leave.

More to do with the fact we’ve already got one young guy missing out most likely, now we will have two with Mansour getting first crack at wing. Could create a situation where we lose a young guy - then Mansour is retiring a year later, and Mansour isn’t good enough a player to warrant that. If Laurie comes too I can deal with it

 

[Rusty]

I've said it before.
If mansour is blocking your path to first grade then you're not ready for first grade.
Madge has shown he doesn't care about reputations.

Exactly right. Tigers have for a long time had insufficient depth to put pressure on the incumbents. Madge and Co have made a point of recruiting depth across the roster, so there is both competition and backup for injury.

Madge has shown willingness to drop any player any reputation.

So I don't understand, if someone thinks Mansour is "no good", why he would be an obstacle for "good" juniors. You might even ask if Mansour is reasonable value to both add experience and competition to the roster. And it's this value proposition question that has caused the drawn-out process of determining Mansour's future.

What I do know for a fact is that the club rates Daine Laurie very highly and were very pleased that he agreed to sign on. The question of an early trade including Mansour has been on the table for quite some time.

Why not give Madge a late Christmas gift and let him start working with Laurie now, rather than have the kid bouncing around reserve grade for another year. The Harry Grant trade showed that it's in the contract club's best interests to let an up-and-coming player play grade as soon as they are ready rather than keep kicking around behind prominent incumbents.

At worst we gain Mansour, who is decent without being a bad footballer. And maybe even then it puts pressure on Nofo to sign for a decent amount, or good luck to him if he chooses to leave.

Well said, you are 1000% correct.

 

[851]

Laurie coming early is certainly a help. Hope we aren’t just signing Mansour and not getting him too if we sign Mansour

That would be a recruitment failure. No deal for Mansour unless it includes Laurie for 2021. A means to an end.

Definitely. Mansour on his own is pretty poor, if Laurie comes along I can deal with it.

Maybe Crighton likes Mansour, and taking Mansour gets you Laurie early and Crighton for 2022, that would be a great means to an end

 

[balmain boy]

Mansour is on less then 400k at Penrith so given they need to get rid of him we are prob looking at paying under 200k/yr for last years grand final winger who averaged 180 meters, 21 line breaks and had 65 tackle breaks in 2020. He is a great trainer who will set a great example for our young players and will mean our sets will get off to great starts on either side of the field plus his defence is good.

No, he's on over 500k. Panthers will offer 200k max , meaning were paying 350-400k a year for a washed up player and are guaranteed to lose some of our top juniors. Would be an atrociously disgraceful signing, even if Laurie came early.
The only circumstance it's ok if we sign him is of we release Nof immediately and Mansour is his immediate replacement, which I just can't ever see happening!

 

[AJ1]

AJ, Debbie, and Talau are still unproven. Not to say they won't surpass Mansour within the next 12-24 months, however there is upside with Mansour on a moderate deal.
If Mansour does sign with the club, I predict a number of humble pie posts after the first few rounds.


Who the hell have we signed now I can’t remember any negotiations with Debbie.

Gebbie does Dallas

 

[Rowdy12]

Mansour is on less then 400k at Penrith so given they need to get rid of him we are prob looking at paying under 200k/yr for last years grand final winger who averaged 180 meters, 21 line breaks and had 65 tackle breaks in 2020. He is a great trainer who will set a great example for our young players and will mean our sets will get off to great starts on either side of the field plus his defence is good.

No, he's on over 500k. Panthers will offer 200k max , meaning were paying 350-400k a year for a washed up player and are guaranteed to lose some of our top juniors. Would be an atrociously disgraceful signing, even if Laurie came early.
The only circumstance it's ok if we sign him is of we release Nof immediately and Mansour is his immediate replacement, which I just can't ever see happening!

Yep, he is on big money. Phil Gould said as much when he resigned that ‘he has taken unders to stay here the last couple of contracts so I told him he would be rewarded this contract’

 

[Telltails]

I'm not a Mansour fan but if Nofa is not committing it may have forced the club to look after their own interests.

 

[JC99]

Mansour is on less then 400k at Penrith so given they need to get rid of him we are prob looking at paying under 200k/yr for last years grand final winger who averaged 180 meters, 21 line breaks and had 65 tackle breaks in 2020. He is a great trainer who will set a great example for our young players and will mean our sets will get off to great starts on either side of the field plus his defence is good.

No, he's on over 500k. Panthers will offer 200k max , meaning were paying 350-400k a year for a washed up player and are guaranteed to lose some of our top juniors. Would be an atrociously disgraceful signing, even if Laurie came early.
The only circumstance it's ok if we sign him is of we release Nof immediately and Mansour is his immediate replacement, which I just can't ever see happening!

I heard he was on close to $700k. We’d be paying a good part of that too most likely.

 

[compensate]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is **he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds**. Just watch

Thats crystal ball talk
But ? I would like to know from everyone on the Forum, especially those reluctant to sign McInnes , who do we have that is good enough to play Hooker if Liddle goes down in the 1st few weeks
Or do we just write off our season again because there is always next year

Mate I’m all for McInnes . I just don’t think Liddle is rubbish . And I don’t like it , when people death ride one of our juniors , who has been loyal to us , because they’re all googily eyed over the shiny new toy we just had .

The gap between Grant and Liddle is like the San Andreas Fault. One is a rep and future kangaroo star the other the only chance he will get fora kangaroo jumper was when he played for the Wyong kangaroos

Someone needed to say it

 

[2005magic]

Anything can happen- Nofu is a big unknown, if he gets a reasonably good offer from elsewhere and wants to go early WT probably wouldnt stand in his way. Im not against Mansour coming and in the end its Maguire's 30 man squad and if he thinks Mansour adds something, who are we to nay say it- but we all do have an opinion. Similarly, if the McInnes rumour has strength, maybe Maguire just doesnt see long term future in Liddle?

We need a strong and long term spine- fullback, five eighth, half and hooker. The rest starts to sort itself with props, backrowers, centres and wingers. At present our spine is a work in progress with no definite, long term owners for any of the 4 x positions- but, it has the potential this coming season to settle if opportunity knocks- Laurie - if we can get him (fullback), Doueihi (5/8), Brooks (1/2) and Liddle (hooker). If not, the most obvious ones to replace are Brooks and Liddle as the longest serving / signed / contracted players in those 4 key positions.

 

[Telltails]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is **he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds**. Just watch

Thats crystal ball talk
But ? I would like to know from everyone on the Forum, especially those reluctant to sign McInnes , who do we have that is good enough to play Hooker if Liddle goes down in the 1st few weeks
Or do we just write off our season again because there is always next year

Mate I’m all for McInnes . I just don’t think Liddle is rubbish . And I don’t like it , when people death ride one of our juniors , who has been loyal to us , because they’re all googily eyed over the shiny new toy we just had .

The gap between Grant and Liddle is like the San Andreas Fault. One is a rep and future kangaroo star the other the only chance he will get fora kangaroo jumper was when he played for the Wyong kangaroos

Someone needed to say it

Yes - only the most ardent Liddle fan would be comparing the two at this point in time. P

 

[Leck]

AJ, Debbie, and Talau are still unproven. Not to say they won't surpass Mansour within the next 12-24 months, however there is upside with Mansour on a moderate deal.
If Mansour does sign with the club, I predict a number of humble pie posts after the first few rounds.


Who the hell have we signed now I can’t remember any negotiations with Debbie.

It's Gebbie's alter ego in drag!

 

[the_third]

Laurie included as a package deal with Mansour. Don’t be surprised if Parra or even the Bulldogs come swooping in last minute though...

You should quote your sources or you are not any better that buzz. Instagram or not. “Someone one the money” is not a source.

 

[TillLindemann]

Mansour is on less then 400k at Penrith so given they need to get rid of him we are prob looking at paying under 200k/yr for last years grand final winger who averaged 180 meters, 21 line breaks and had 65 tackle breaks in 2020. He is a great trainer who will set a great example for our young players and will mean our sets will get off to great starts on either side of the field plus his defence is good.

No, he's on over 500k. Panthers will offer 200k max , meaning were paying 350-400k a year for a washed up player and are guaranteed to lose some of our top juniors. Would be an atrociously disgraceful signing, even if Laurie came early.
The only circumstance it's ok if we sign him is of we release Nof immediately and Mansour is his immediate replacement, which I just can't ever see happening!

I heard he was on close to $700k. We’d be paying a good part of that too most likely.

Surely Mansour couldn't be on that much. He'd be the highest paid winger in the world.

 

[weststigerman]

It’s as if people don’t want to have a better team next year unless WT sign everyone’s pin up boy.

Mansour improves our 2021 team, and if he helps get us higher up on the ladder it improves our chances to become a more desirable destination.

Even better if it gets us Laurie. I’ll back Hartigan on this because he’s shown he doesn’t pay overs.

How does he improve the team? It’s a sideways move at best, that comes with the consequence of slowing the development of our young players. Sure he’ll get metres up the middle for us but he’s not a game breaker, we’ve already got a winger who’s of the same mould but does it all better.

The only positive is possibly getting Laurie early possibly. Mansour will be solid, but nothing special. Would rather have pace and height on the wing.

How does he improve the team? This year we lost 2-3 games (see both south’s games) because teams targeted our inexperienced left wing with success.

If the young players are good enough, they’ll push him out of first grade, same as what happened with Jennings, but Mansour is a big upgrade on Jennings.

Yes, Mbye didn't help crucify Hoffman (he got the blame), when he let in 4 tries did he?

I'm not crucifying Hoffman, he was a development player who was only there because we had no depth in that position.

 

[jrtiger]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is **he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds**. Just watch

Thats crystal ball talk
But ? I would like to know from everyone on the Forum, especially those reluctant to sign McInnes , who do we have that is good enough to play Hooker if Liddle goes down in the 1st few weeks
Or do we just write off our season again because there is always next year

Mate I’m all for McInnes . I just don’t think Liddle is rubbish . And I don’t like it , when people death ride one of our juniors , who has been loyal to us , because they’re all googily eyed over the shiny new toy we just had .

The gap between Grant and Liddle is like the San Andreas Fault. One is a rep and future kangaroo star the other the only chance he will get fora kangaroo jumper was when he played for the Wyong kangaroos

Someone needed to say it

two very different players. Grant is more like Smith and Liddle more like Damien Cook. while Grant controlled games through the middle corridor, Liddle will give decent ball to the halves and allow them to control the game, while he picks his moments. yes Grant is the better player but Liddle will be very very good for us providing Brooks and Doueihi steer the side around the park.

 

[compensate]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is **he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds**. Just watch

Thats crystal ball talk
But ? I would like to know from everyone on the Forum, especially those reluctant to sign McInnes , who do we have that is good enough to play Hooker if Liddle goes down in the 1st few weeks
Or do we just write off our season again because there is always next year

Mate I’m all for McInnes . I just don’t think Liddle is rubbish . And I don’t like it , when people death ride one of our juniors , who has been loyal to us , because they’re all googily eyed over the shiny new toy we just had .

The gap between Grant and Liddle is like the San Andreas Fault. One is a rep and future kangaroo star the other the only chance he will get fora kangaroo jumper was when he played for the Wyong kangaroos

Someone needed to say it

two very different players. Grant is more like Smith and Liddle more like Damien Cook. while Grant controlled games through the middle corridor, Liddle will give decent ball to the halves and allow them to control the game, while he picks his moments. yes Grant is the better player but Liddle will be very very good for us providing Brooks and Doueihi steer the side around the park.

I’m still taking Simpkin over Liddle. How many chances are we going to give Liddle? I reckon this is his last chance, one more injury and it’s all over for him imo. Simpkin will be knocking on the door for a starting spot. Just my two cents

 

[JC99]

Laurie included as a package deal with Mansour. Don’t be surprised if Parra or even the Bulldogs come swooping in last minute though...

You should quote your sources or you are not any better that buzz. Instagram or not. “Someone one the money” is not a source.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone directly quote their sources on here ever, even people who have good info