Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[TigerWest]

You might have a point but also just playing for a premiership contender is a drawcard, its worth money, its the same in any sport, NBA, good players leave the team I support to teams like Lakers to win. Like Shaq etc. For their profile. Winning premierships is like additional coin. The lower teams generally have to offer more money to make it worthwhile playing for a battling club.

Correct. We are becoming more and more like America where players are their own brand much like clubs are. Not saying I like it BTW.

I’m OK with players making as much as they can out of there talents, but I think we are along way off how American sport works?

 

[BAGNF05]

You might have a point but also just playing for a premiership contender is a drawcard, its worth money, its the same in any sport, NBA, good players leave the team I support to teams like Lakers to win. Like Shaq etc. For their profile. Winning premierships is like additional coin. The lower teams generally have to offer more money to make it worthwhile playing for a battling club.

Correct. We are becoming more and more like America where players are their own brand much like clubs are. Not saying I like it BTW.

I’m OK with players making as much as they can out of there talents, but I think we are along way off how American sport works?

Depends what frame you are looking through. Earnings, media following, commercialisation, ego. We are probably fairly proportional when you factor in our population and the global reach of our sport. Tom Brady earns about 20 times what Kalyn Ponga does from the sport alone and has about 20 times as many followers. The yanks get far more from endorsements though, which probably explains why rugby league players (eg Nofa) are looking to grow their brand.

 

[gallagher]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

 

[cochise]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

I know analytics is a bit of a buzz word at the moment, the club is making use of that data type approach but that is not the be all and end all. Melbourne through Scott Woodward really pioneered this approach in the NRL, but basically the deciding factor for Melbourne is the "cuppa test" after sitting down and speaking to them if you are not happy to have them around to your house and around your kids then they don't make it in the door a Melbourne.

Madge and Hartigan are similar in this regard and are very interested in a players upbringing, family etc.

So basically for us, the analytics is used to access our roster, identify strengths and weaknesses, player valuation and then to identify players we want to have a closer look at to address those weaknesses.

 

[gallagher]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

I know analytics is a bit of a buzz word at the moment, the club is making use of that data type approach but that is not the be all and end all. Melbourne through Scott Woodward really pioneered this approach in the NRL, but basically the deciding factor for Melbourne is the "cuppa test" after sitting down and speaking to them if you are not happy to have them around to your house and around your kids then they don't make it in the door a Melbourne.

Madge and Hartigan are similar in this regard and are very interested in a players upbringing, family etc.

So basically for us, the analytics is used to access our roster, identify strengths and weaknesses, player valuation and then to identify players we want to have a closer look at to address those weaknesses.

How long was he at Melbourne?

 

[jadtiger]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

I know analytics is a bit of a buzz word at the moment, the club is making use of that data type approach but that is not the be all and end all. Melbourne through Scott Woodward really pioneered this approach in the NRL, but basically the deciding factor for Melbourne is the "cuppa test" after sitting down and speaking to them if you are not happy to have them around to your house and around your kids then they don't make it in the door a Melbourne.

Madge and Hartigan are similar in this regard and are very interested in a players upbringing, family etc.

So basically for us, the analytics is used to access our roster, identify strengths and weaknesses, player valuation and then to identify players we want to have a closer look at to address those weaknesses.

Makes you wonder how on earth Lodge got to play there.Maybe he was on a none psycho day when interviewed

 

[cochise]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

I know analytics is a bit of a buzz word at the moment, the club is making use of that data type approach but that is not the be all and end all. Melbourne through Scott Woodward really pioneered this approach in the NRL, but basically the deciding factor for Melbourne is the "cuppa test" after sitting down and speaking to them if you are not happy to have them around to your house and around your kids then they don't make it in the door a Melbourne.

Madge and Hartigan are similar in this regard and are very interested in a players upbringing, family etc.

So basically for us, the analytics is used to access our roster, identify strengths and weaknesses, player valuation and then to identify players we want to have a closer look at to address those weaknesses.

How long was he at Melbourne?

He was only at Melbourne for 4 years, but has been involved in and around the game for over 10 years. He developed the Talent Identification Program (TIP) that we currently use. I know this program is more detailed and goes into greater depth than the system that the Roosters are using.

 

[cochise]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

I know analytics is a bit of a buzz word at the moment, the club is making use of that data type approach but that is not the be all and end all. Melbourne through Scott Woodward really pioneered this approach in the NRL, but basically the deciding factor for Melbourne is the "cuppa test" after sitting down and speaking to them if you are not happy to have them around to your house and around your kids then they don't make it in the door a Melbourne.

Madge and Hartigan are similar in this regard and are very interested in a players upbringing, family etc.

So basically for us, the analytics is used to access our roster, identify strengths and weaknesses, player valuation and then to identify players we want to have a closer look at to address those weaknesses.



Makes you wonder how on earth Lodge got to play there.Maybe he was on a none psycho day when interviewed

It is interesting, but you would think at time people would be swayed by the chance of providing redemption to some people that have made mistakes in the past. I really think that is what led to us signing Roberts, I have stated before that I have been impressed by how open Roberts is about his issues and how he actually has the self awareness to seek help when he needs it. That is what has always had me hoping the guy can turn things around.

 

[bathursttiger1]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

I know analytics is a bit of a buzz word at the moment, the club is making use of that data type approach but that is not the be all and end all. Melbourne through Scott Woodward really pioneered this approach in the NRL, but basically the deciding factor for Melbourne is the "cuppa test" after sitting down and speaking to them if you are not happy to have them around to your house and around your kids then they don't make it in the door a Melbourne.

Madge and Hartigan are similar in this regard and are very interested in a players upbringing, family etc.

So basically for us, the analytics is used to access our roster, identify strengths and weaknesses, player valuation and then to identify players we want to have a closer look at to address those weaknesses.



Makes you wonder how on earth Lodge got to play there.Maybe he was on a none psycho day when interviewed

It is interesting, but you would think at time people would be swayed by the chance of providing redemption to some people that have made mistakes in the past. I really think that is what led to us signing Roberts, I have stated before that I have been impressed by how open Roberts is about his issues and how he actually has the self awareness to seek help when he needs it. That is what has always had me hoping the guy can turn things around.

Before someone can get help for a drug or alcohol problem, first they have to admit that they have a problem.

 

[cochise]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

I know analytics is a bit of a buzz word at the moment, the club is making use of that data type approach but that is not the be all and end all. Melbourne through Scott Woodward really pioneered this approach in the NRL, but basically the deciding factor for Melbourne is the "cuppa test" after sitting down and speaking to them if you are not happy to have them around to your house and around your kids then they don't make it in the door a Melbourne.

Madge and Hartigan are similar in this regard and are very interested in a players upbringing, family etc.

So basically for us, the analytics is used to access our roster, identify strengths and weaknesses, player valuation and then to identify players we want to have a closer look at to address those weaknesses.



Makes you wonder how on earth Lodge got to play there.Maybe he was on a none psycho day when interviewed

It is interesting, but you would think at time people would be swayed by the chance of providing redemption to some people that have made mistakes in the past. I really think that is what led to us signing Roberts, I have stated before that I have been impressed by how open Roberts is about his issues and how he actually has the self awareness to seek help when he needs it. That is what has always had me hoping the guy can turn things around.


Before someone can get help for a drug or alcohol problem, first they have to admit that they have a problem.

Roberts seems to do that, he just seems to regress back after getting assistance which isn't unusual.

 

[Oggyz]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

I know analytics is a bit of a buzz word at the moment, the club is making use of that data type approach but that is not the be all and end all. Melbourne through Scott Woodward really pioneered this approach in the NRL, but basically the deciding factor for Melbourne is the "cuppa test" after sitting down and speaking to them if you are not happy to have them around to your house and around your kids then they don't make it in the door a Melbourne.

Madge and Hartigan are similar in this regard and are very interested in a players upbringing, family etc.

So basically for us, the analytics is used to access our roster, identify strengths and weaknesses, player valuation and then to identify players we want to have a closer look at to address those weaknesses.



Makes you wonder how on earth Lodge got to play there.Maybe he was on a none psycho day when interviewed

It is interesting, but you would think at time people would be swayed by the chance of providing redemption to some people that have made mistakes in the past. I really think that is what led to us signing Roberts, I have stated before that I have been impressed by how open Roberts is about his issues and how he actually has the self awareness to seek help when he needs it. That is what has always had me hoping the guy can turn things around.


Before someone can get help for a drug or alcohol problem, first they have to admit that they have a problem.

Roberts seems to do that, he just seems to regress back after getting assistance which isn't unusual.

Absolutely. Path to recovery is a bumpy one.

 

[Speed2burn]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

I know analytics is a bit of a buzz word at the moment, the club is making use of that data type approach but that is not the be all and end all. Melbourne through Scott Woodward really pioneered this approach in the NRL, but basically the deciding factor for Melbourne is the "cuppa test" after sitting down and speaking to them if you are not happy to have them around to your house and around your kids then they don't make it in the door a Melbourne.

Madge and Hartigan are similar in this regard and are very interested in a players upbringing, family etc.

So basically for us, the analytics is used to access our roster, identify strengths and weaknesses, player valuation and then to identify players we want to have a closer look at to address those weaknesses.



Makes you wonder how on earth Lodge got to play there.Maybe he was on a none psycho day when interviewed

It is interesting, but you would think at time people would be swayed by the chance of providing redemption to some people that have made mistakes in the past. I really think that is what led to us signing Roberts, I have stated before that I have been impressed by how open Roberts is about his issues and how he actually has the self awareness to seek help when he needs it. That is what has always had me hoping the guy can turn things around.


Before someone can get help for a drug or alcohol problem, first they have to admit that they have a problem.

Roberts seems to do that, he just seems to regress back after getting assistance which isn't unusual.

Surely the Jet realises this is his last shot. If he messes up here, he’s probably got Buckley’s of scoring another nrl gig

In saying that, I feel like our playing group can keep him on the right track. We don’t necessarily have players that have off field dramas year after year (unless you count Packer and Tamou from ages ago

And lastly, with his issues and going off the rails it’s very easy to not look after your body, the fact he’s come back looking pretty fit is telling me he’s primed for redemption

 

[cochise]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

I know analytics is a bit of a buzz word at the moment, the club is making use of that data type approach but that is not the be all and end all. Melbourne through Scott Woodward really pioneered this approach in the NRL, but basically the deciding factor for Melbourne is the "cuppa test" after sitting down and speaking to them if you are not happy to have them around to your house and around your kids then they don't make it in the door a Melbourne.

Madge and Hartigan are similar in this regard and are very interested in a players upbringing, family etc.

So basically for us, the analytics is used to access our roster, identify strengths and weaknesses, player valuation and then to identify players we want to have a closer look at to address those weaknesses.



Makes you wonder how on earth Lodge got to play there.Maybe he was on a none psycho day when interviewed

It is interesting, but you would think at time people would be swayed by the chance of providing redemption to some people that have made mistakes in the past. I really think that is what led to us signing Roberts, I have stated before that I have been impressed by how open Roberts is about his issues and how he actually has the self awareness to seek help when he needs it. That is what has always had me hoping the guy can turn things around.


Before someone can get help for a drug or alcohol problem, first they have to admit that they have a problem.

Roberts seems to do that, he just seems to regress back after getting assistance which isn't unusual.

Surely the Jet realises this is his last shot. If he messes up here, he’s probably got Buckley’s of scoring another nrl gig

In saying that, I feel like our playing group can keep him on the right track. We don’t necessarily have players that have off field dramas year after year (unless you count Packer and Tamou from ages ago

And lastly, with his issues and going off the rails it’s very easy to not look after your body, the fact he’s come back looking pretty fit is telling me he’s primed for redemption

Yeah mate I agree, the signing of Tahu to a coaching role is aimed to give him as much support as possible. I think if he works hard and is honest with the club then he will be an asset. I think his contract contains KPI's that if reached will automatically trigger an upgraded contract for next season. I think that is smart business as it it gives him an incentive to keep to that path that will not only assist his football but put him in a strong position health wise as well.

 

[PabloX]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.

Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?

He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.

please do, I love this stuff.

This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.

The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.

The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.

In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.

In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.

When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.

Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.

A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.

The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.

Cheers mate , very encouraging.

I know analytics is a bit of a buzz word at the moment, the club is making use of that data type approach but that is not the be all and end all. Melbourne through Scott Woodward really pioneered this approach in the NRL, but basically the deciding factor for Melbourne is the "cuppa test" after sitting down and speaking to them if you are not happy to have them around to your house and around your kids then they don't make it in the door a Melbourne.

Madge and Hartigan are similar in this regard and are very interested in a players upbringing, family etc.

So basically for us, the analytics is used to access our roster, identify strengths and weaknesses, player valuation and then to identify players we want to have a closer look at to address those weaknesses.



Makes you wonder how on earth Lodge got to play there.Maybe he was on a none psycho day when interviewed

It is interesting, but you would think at time people would be swayed by the chance of providing redemption to some people that have made mistakes in the past. I really think that is what led to us signing Roberts, I have stated before that I have been impressed by how open Roberts is about his issues and how he actually has the self awareness to seek help when he needs it. That is what has always had me hoping the guy can turn things around.


Before someone can get help for a drug or alcohol problem, first they have to admit that they have a problem.

Roberts seems to do that, he just seems to regress back after getting assistance which isn't unusual.

Surely the Jet realises this is his last shot. If he messes up here, he’s probably got Buckley’s of scoring another nrl gig

In saying that, I feel like our playing group can keep him on the right track. We don’t necessarily have players that have off field dramas year after year (unless you count Packer and Tamou from ages ago

And lastly, with his issues and going off the rails it’s very easy to not look after your body, the fact he’s come back looking pretty fit is telling me he’s primed for redemption

Yeah mate I agree, the signing of Tahu to a coaching role is aimed to give him as much support as possible. I think if he works hard and is honest with the club then he will be an asset. I think his contract contains KPI's that if reached will automatically trigger an upgraded contract for next season. I think that is smart business as it it gives him an incentive to keep to that path that will not only assist his football but put him in a strong position health wise as well.

Music to my ears, mate.

I'm pumped to have Tahu on board. I always rated him as a player, especially in defence.

 

[Tigerwould]

Agree. I think he will be a great mentor as well as a skill developer. He will be good for the Wests Tigers culture with all the new young recruits.

 

[sleeve]

1,6,7,and 9. Everyone rants on about the importance of these positions,and its a fact.And a fact that wingers play an important part in todays game.But 1,6,7,and 9 are involved in nearly every play and are worth the big dollars,wingers no matter how good they are not.These positions and good forwards will always be the foundatons of a good club and the main priority.

 

[JC99]

Scott Sorenson signs with Penrith, won’t be coming here

 

[Tigersmurf]

Scott Sorenson signs with Penrith, won’t be coming here

Mustn't want to play first grade then

 

[Aubanon]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

Tigers held a 'Thank You' brunch at temporary facilities Mid December.

On a tour through the offices, we were introduced to Warren and Siro Snr.

They explained that their roles were to list manage the junior teams.

 

[cochise]

But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again

Melbourne always miss top talent. I don't see the issue. I'd rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.

No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time .......and then keep them 90% of the time

Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It's one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?

It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time

Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?

Combination of madge and him i reckon

It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.

I would have thought they'd be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It's a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.

Tigers held a 'Thank You' brunch at temporary facilities Mid December.

On a tour through the offices, we were introduced to Warren and Siro Snr.

They explained that their roles were to list manage the junior teams.

It is surprising what an upgrade the demountable officers are compared to the old ones isn't it?