Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[TigerWest]

jack de belin free to play
theres the lock the tigers need

I'd stop supporting the Tigers if we signed him.

Why is that?

Because I just hate the sort of person he is, and if we signed him it's not the sort of club i'd want to give my support to.

What kind of person is he? I've never met him.

At best, he's a guy that likes to tag team teenagers while his girlfriend is pregnant at home. At worst, he's a rapist. Maybe you should meet him, to get some perspective.

No I don't need to meet him for any particular reason, because I have no opinion on what "sort of person he is". I don't require evidence to support an opinion I don't hold.

**I'm only interested in what has been proven in a court of law, under the same legal conditions as all other Australians**, or what he does on a football field.

Everything else is hearsay or allegation. Now maybe you'd have a decent position if De Belin has a repeated history of allegations regarding negative treatment of women, but I am pretty sure he hasn't. Maybe De Belin really is a bad person, but I don't know the bloke, and everything else is speculative.

So at best, as you say, he likes to root other women when he has a girlfriend, or perhaps specifically, a pregnant girlfriend. Firstly, that's not illegal in any fashion. Also, does anyone watch Matty Johns on Fox, everyone cool that he nailed a chick with his team-mates whilst married and a Dad? That his brother was drugged off his nut, allegedly, during his career? Everyone OK about Sonny Bill railing chicks in dunnies whilst having a girlfriend? Dylan Brown under same conditions? How about set the wayback machine Anthony Laffranchi - everyone ok when he was accused of rape in 2006, but it was dismissed in 2008?

Anecdotally - and that's exactly the issue, it's all anecdotal - I've heard a very wide variety of concerning or negative things about a large number of footballers, and if, "at best" only some of it was true, it would still be a very bad indictment on a cross-section of footballers. But, again, it's anecdotal so how can I assume to believe I have an accurate picture of what a footballer is like "as a person"?

Tigers have fielded, in my time, players like John Elias, Matt Lodge, Craig Field, Kevin McGuinness, John Hopoate, Tim Simona, Daine Laurie (Snr), Robert Lui, Kyle Lovett, Russell Packer etc. All having a proven or alleged history of bad behaviour, some of whom the club terminated immediately, some of which the club didn't terminate at all. You don't just become a "bad person" overnight; the "type of person" who engages in criminal activity very probably has a history of negative behaviour or personality traits.

Agree, the charges were withdrawn, end of story.

 

[avocadoontoast]

jack de belin free to play
theres the lock the tigers need

I'd stop supporting the Tigers if we signed him.

Why is that?

Because I just hate the sort of person he is, and if we signed him it's not the sort of club i'd want to give my support to.

What kind of person is he? I've never met him.

At best, he's a guy that likes to tag team teenagers while his girlfriend is pregnant at home. At worst, he's a rapist. Maybe you should meet him, to get some perspective.

No I don't need to meet him for any particular reason, because I have no opinion on what "sort of person he is". I don't require evidence to support an opinion I don't hold.

I'm only interested in what has been proven in a court of law, under the same legal conditions as all other Australians, or what he does on a football field.

Everything else is hearsay or allegation. Now maybe you'd have a decent position if De Belin has a repeated history of allegations regarding negative treatment of women, but I am pretty sure he hasn't. Maybe De Belin really is a bad person, but I don't know the bloke, and everything else is speculative.

So at best, as you say, he likes to root other women when he has a girlfriend, or perhaps specifically, a pregnant girlfriend. Does anyone watch Matty Johns on Fox, everyone cool that he nailed a chick with his team-mates whilst married and a Dad? Everyone OK about Sonny Bill railing chicks in dunnies whilst having a girlfriend? Dylan Brown under same conditions? How about set the wayback machine Anthony Laffranchi - everyone ok when he was accused of rape in 2006, but it was dismissed in 2008?

Anecdotally - and that's exactly the issue, it's all anecdotal - I've heard a very wide variety of concerning or negative things about a large number of footballers, and if, "at best" only some of it was true, it would still be a very bad indictment on a cross-section of footballers. But, again, it's anecdotal so how can I assume to believe I have an accurate picture of what a footballer is like "as a person"?

This is a pretty disgusting post. I’d expect more from you.

I don't understand. What is disgusting about it?

Mate if you don’t understand I can’t explain it to you. Maybe show it to a female friend and see what they think.

Cop out

The police felt they had enough of a strong case to proceed to trial on two occasions and on both of those occasions there was a hung jury. Now your opinion is that because he wasn't prosecuted we should look at him like anyone else. I don't agree with that. The criminal justice system is far from perfect and the assumption that all people not found guilty are indeed innocent is untrue. And you know that.

 

[the_third]

are we signing De Belin?

 

[JD Tiger]

jack de belin free to play
theres the lock the tigers need

I'd stop supporting the Tigers if we signed him.

Why is that?

Because I just hate the sort of person he is, and if we signed him it's not the sort of club i'd want to give my support to.

What kind of person is he? I've never met him.

At best, he's a guy that likes to tag team teenagers while his girlfriend is pregnant at home. At worst, he's a rapist. Maybe you should meet him, to get some perspective.

No I don't need to meet him for any particular reason, because I have no opinion on what "sort of person he is". I don't require evidence to support an opinion I don't hold.

I'm only interested in what has been proven in a court of law, under the same legal conditions as all other Australians, or what he does on a football field.

Everything else is hearsay or allegation. Now maybe you'd have a decent position if De Belin has a repeated history of allegations regarding negative treatment of women, but I am pretty sure he hasn't. Maybe De Belin really is a bad person, but I don't know the bloke, and everything else is speculative.

So at best, as you say, he likes to root other women when he has a girlfriend, or perhaps specifically, a pregnant girlfriend. Does anyone watch Matty Johns on Fox, everyone cool that he nailed a chick with his team-mates whilst married and a Dad? Everyone OK about Sonny Bill railing chicks in dunnies whilst having a girlfriend? Dylan Brown under same conditions? How about set the wayback machine Anthony Laffranchi - everyone ok when he was accused of rape in 2006, but it was dismissed in 2008?

Anecdotally - and that's exactly the issue, it's all anecdotal - I've heard a very wide variety of concerning or negative things about a large number of footballers, and if, "at best" only some of it was true, it would still be a very bad indictment on a cross-section of footballers. But, again, it's anecdotal so how can I assume to believe I have an accurate picture of what a footballer is like "as a person"?

What about Matt Lodge? Looks like a grub on the field and has a short temper as well, when he gets rocked on the field he has a sook, imagine him in real life?

Might be the nicest bloke you've ever met, I wouldn't know. Are we talking about what kind of history someone has, or what they are like as a person, or what they bring to a football side, or what they are only like on a football field?

We've got people pointing the finger at footballers who have not been found guilty in court of an alleged behaviour. I can't cop that, no matter how bad the allegation, it needs to be proven - that's how the court system works.

A mate of mine, not a Tigers supporter, met Mark O'Neill about 10 years ago at a pub, got talking to him. Said he was probably one of the nicest blokes he'd ever had a beer with. Also happens to be a bloke who got sacked from a high-profile job due to an inappropriate incident with a female staffer. Buckets now employed at Parra Eels. So is Mark O'Neill "a good person" or not? I'd even argue being involved with Parra Eels is indictment enough.

Just because O'Neil was a nice bloke to your mate that one time they met, doesn't make him a good person. One good deed doesn't make a person seen as good.

But one bad deed does make the person appear as a bad person.

Not saying either is the agreed upon public opinion of ONeill.

 

[TheDaBoss]

are we signing De Belin?

Must be


Im waiting on mystery prop

 

[the_third]

are we signing De Belin?

Must be


Im waiting on mystery prop

Whew I thought all my thread titles had been mixed up or something.

The mystery prop....shhh

 

[sleeve]

are we signing De Belin?

Must be


Im waiting on mystery prop


Whew I thought all my thread titles had been mixed up or something.

The mystery prop....shhh

He has not been proven guilty, we must abide by that. That is the law and what we live by. IT's all very ugly and both parties will be scarred for life. So very sad. Time to move on.

 

[Tiger5150]

jack de belin free to play
theres the lock the tigers need

I'd stop supporting the Tigers if we signed him.

Why is that?

Because I just hate the sort of person he is, and if we signed him it's not the sort of club i'd want to give my support to.

What kind of person is he? I've never met him.

At best, he's a guy that likes to tag team teenagers while his girlfriend is pregnant at home. At worst, he's a rapist. Maybe you should meet him, to get some perspective.

No I don't need to meet him for any particular reason, because I have no opinion on what "sort of person he is". I don't require evidence to support an opinion I don't hold.

**I'm only interested in what has been proven in a court of law, under the same legal conditions as all other Australians**, or what he does on a football field.

Everything else is hearsay or allegation. Now maybe you'd have a decent position if De Belin has a repeated history of allegations regarding negative treatment of women, but I am pretty sure he hasn't. Maybe De Belin really is a bad person, but I don't know the bloke, and everything else is speculative.

So at best, as you say, he likes to root other women when he has a girlfriend, or perhaps specifically, a pregnant girlfriend. Firstly, that's not illegal in any fashion. Also, does anyone watch Matty Johns on Fox, everyone cool that he nailed a chick with his team-mates whilst married and a Dad? That his brother was drugged off his nut, allegedly, during his career? Everyone OK about Sonny Bill railing chicks in dunnies whilst having a girlfriend? Dylan Brown under same conditions? How about set the wayback machine Anthony Laffranchi - everyone ok when he was accused of rape in 2006, but it was dismissed in 2008?

Anecdotally - and that's exactly the issue, it's all anecdotal - I've heard a very wide variety of concerning or negative things about a large number of footballers, and if, "at best" only some of it was true, it would still be a very bad indictment on a cross-section of footballers. But, again, it's anecdotal so how can I assume to believe I have an accurate picture of what a footballer is like "as a person"?

Tigers have fielded, in my time, players like John Elias, Matt Lodge, Craig Field, Kevin McGuinness, John Hopoate, Tim Simona, Daine Laurie (Snr), Robert Lui, Kyle Lovett, Russell Packer etc. All having a proven or alleged history of bad behaviour, some of whom the club terminated immediately, some of which the club didn't terminate at all. You don't just become a "bad person" overnight; the "type of person" who engages in criminal activity very probably has a history of negative behaviour or personality traits.

Agree, the charges were withdrawn, end of story.

Wasnt the discussion Jirsky and Avocado about what kind of bloke JDB is? Courts make judgements on what kind of bloke he is?

FWIW, he is a grub. I dont need a court case for that. He is there banging a teenager whilst his partner is at home 8 months pregnant. He is a grub QED.

EDIT: Only just noticed that this is in the Signings thread...my apologies for my contribution to the derailment.

 

[supercoach]

Raiders eye Hynes as Tigers close in on Gildart
Author - Brad Walter
NRL.com Senior Reporter
Timestamp - Thu 27 May 2021, 06:43 PM

Canberra are weighing up whether to join the race for Melbourne’s rising star Nicho Hynes after the club outlined the frustrations that led to the sudden axing of English halfback George Williams.

The likely return of Williams to Wigan is expected to coincide with confirmation that England Test centre Oliver Gildart is heading to the NRL to join Wests Tigers next year but the Super League has ruled out releasing him or teammate Jackson Hastings for the remainder of this season.

With Canberra’s finals hopes fading after just one win in their past seven matches, the Raiders are also looking beyond this season in the search for a replacement playmaker and Hynes has emerged as a possible target.

The 24-year-old is currently starring for the Storm at fullback in place of the injured Ryan Papenhuyzen but he has played most of his 65 matches in the Queensland Cup at five-eighth and has also spent time at halfback.

Shaun Johnson, Ash Taylor, Anthony Milford and Corey Norman are more experienced options off contract at the end of the season but the prospect of Hynes partnering Jack Wighton in the halves is likely to have more appeal in Canberra.

After losing the 2019 grand final to the Roosters in controversial circumstances and making last year's preliminary final, the Raiders have suffered a dramatic fall from grace and face big calls on the futures of off-contract veterans Iosia Soliola, Dunamis Lui and Jordan Rapana, as well as England hooker Josh Hodgson.

Hodgson, who has been linked with Brisbane, recently quit as co-captain and has been outspoken over the exit of Williams, while indicating he may not be keen to remain in Canberra if he wasn’t in the starting side after being selected on the interchange for the past two matches.

After the Raiders announced on Tuesday that Williams had been granted an immediate release, the English international tweeted that he had been “kicked out the door”.

However, Canberra officials responded on Thursday by detailing how after having a request for a release at the end of the season rejected on Monday night, Williams had advised that he couldn’t train on Tuesday and may not be available for Saturday night’s match against on Sydney Roosters.

The Raiders had received numerous requests from Williams for a release at the end of the season to return home with his pregnant partner but were putting in place measures to support them, including an offer for them to spend an extended off-season in England with family.

"George’s final request for a release came on Monday evening. The following day George withdrew from training and the upcoming match against the Roosters,” a statement said.

“This decision prompted the club to offer George an immediate release given the stress this was evidently causing he and his partner, thereby giving them the opportunity to return home earlier.

“As a club, we have a duty to act in the best interests of the club, its members, sponsors and supporters. Sometimes the best interests of the club do not match those of an individual.

“The club therefore determined that granting George an immediate release would allow us to plan better for the club’s future.

“We would like to reiterate that it was the club’s overwhelming preference to keep George until the end of next season, as he is a good person, well-liked and a valuable member of our club.

“However, when this situation became untenable, we needed to act in the best interests of the club and our future.”

Wigan coach Adrian Lam has confirmed the Super League club are in talks to sign Williams.

Warrington and Leeds are also thought to be keen on the 26-year-old but Wigan having first refusal on his services as a condition of his release to join Canberra last year.

Wigan also have space in their salary cap after releasing George Burgess and will be permitted to include just £75,000 of Williams’ contract in the salary cap because he is a product of the club.

As a result, Wigan are under no pressure to release any player to accommodate Williams and it is understood they have already advised the Tigers that Hastings will see out the season in England.

The former Roosters and Manly halfback has signed with the Tigers for next season and a deal for Gildart to join him is believed to be close to being finalised.

I’d say BJ is gonski for next year

No doubt about it.

I have always believed that a side needs a defensive centre to complement and pair with an attacking centre. Hynes is that defensive centre our club needs. He also plays very well in attack. If the club doesn't sign him they have missed the boat and have only themselves to blame - Again.

But he doesn't want to play Centre.

Preferred position is 1 or halves.

unless there is a reason, such as "development" mentioned when we try to entice him here.

But really, who would be the person to talk him into coming?

The person I think of is Benji, but obvious reasons - he isn't here, but even then.. from reports it seems he says to people to follow the money for his career.

Hynes a ball playing no1 in a similar mould to Hogo. They are a very rare commodity. Where ever he goes he will play no1 or at a stretch no6. Plenty of clubs will be throwing big bucks at him. He will not be playing centre or no 14.

I think on current form he is way in front of Laurie, but one has been around for a few years the other is just a rookie with a massive upside. Don’t think we are even looking at Nico, but if we are he would play no1 and Laurie would be 6,7 or 14

 

[jrtiger]

irrespective of whether or not it was consensual, De Belin had a tag team with another woman while his wife was heavily pregnant at home. If that doesn't spell out to you what kind of bloke this degenerate is, then I don't know what will.

 

[Cairnstigers]

are we signing De Belin?

Must be


Im waiting on mystery prop

You have plenty of time on your side Boss
What are you now ,10

 

[tony soprano]

Hopefully @THE_POM might come up if we stop talking about silly things

 

[Pbulk]

jack de belin free to play
theres the lock the tigers need

I'd stop supporting the Tigers if we signed him.

Why is that?

Because I just hate the sort of person he is, and if we signed him it's not the sort of club i'd want to give my support to.

What kind of person is he? I've never met him.

At best, he's a guy that likes to tag team teenagers while his girlfriend is pregnant at home. At worst, he's a rapist. Maybe you should meet him, to get some perspective.

No I don't need to meet him for any particular reason, because I have no opinion on what "sort of person he is". I don't require evidence to support an opinion I don't hold.

I'm only interested in what has been proven in a court of law, under the same legal conditions as all other Australians, or what he does on a football field.

Everything else is hearsay or allegation. Now maybe you'd have a decent position if De Belin has a repeated history of allegations regarding negative treatment of women, but I am pretty sure he hasn't. Maybe De Belin really is a bad person, but I don't know the bloke, and everything else is speculative.

So at best, as you say, he likes to root other women when he has a girlfriend, or perhaps specifically, a pregnant girlfriend. Does anyone watch Matty Johns on Fox, everyone cool that he nailed a chick with his team-mates whilst married and a Dad? Everyone OK about Sonny Bill railing chicks in dunnies whilst having a girlfriend? Dylan Brown under same conditions? How about set the wayback machine Anthony Laffranchi - everyone ok when he was accused of rape in 2006, but it was dismissed in 2008?

Anecdotally - and that's exactly the issue, it's all anecdotal - I've heard a very wide variety of concerning or negative things about a large number of footballers, and if, "at best" only some of it was true, it would still be a very bad indictment on a cross-section of footballers. But, again, it's anecdotal so how can I assume to believe I have an accurate picture of what a footballer is like "as a person"?

This is a pretty disgusting post. I’d expect more from you.

They need to change rape/consent laws. The law is a joke is what the de belin case has showed and it’s happened many times before

If the case was tried under the new consent laws that are currently in Parliament it's much more likely that JDB would have been found guilty, however that's not what happened, and as a result the charge gets marked as 'spent', meaning it will no longer be pursued.

I wouldn't sign him, not because he's a grub (probably is, I dont really know) but because 2 and a half years out of a game is going to be bad for anyone, let alone a game that has changed as much as the NRL since 2019.

 

[tony soprano]

jack de belin free to play
theres the lock the tigers need

I'd stop supporting the Tigers if we signed him.

Why is that?

Because I just hate the sort of person he is, and if we signed him it's not the sort of club i'd want to give my support to.

What kind of person is he? I've never met him.

At best, he's a guy that likes to tag team teenagers while his girlfriend is pregnant at home. At worst, he's a rapist. Maybe you should meet him, to get some perspective.

No I don't need to meet him for any particular reason, because I have no opinion on what "sort of person he is". I don't require evidence to support an opinion I don't hold.

I'm only interested in what has been proven in a court of law, under the same legal conditions as all other Australians, or what he does on a football field.

Everything else is hearsay or allegation. Now maybe you'd have a decent position if De Belin has a repeated history of allegations regarding negative treatment of women, but I am pretty sure he hasn't. Maybe De Belin really is a bad person, but I don't know the bloke, and everything else is speculative.

So at best, as you say, he likes to root other women when he has a girlfriend, or perhaps specifically, a pregnant girlfriend. Does anyone watch Matty Johns on Fox, everyone cool that he nailed a chick with his team-mates whilst married and a Dad? Everyone OK about Sonny Bill railing chicks in dunnies whilst having a girlfriend? Dylan Brown under same conditions? How about set the wayback machine Anthony Laffranchi - everyone ok when he was accused of rape in 2006, but it was dismissed in 2008?

Anecdotally - and that's exactly the issue, it's all anecdotal - I've heard a very wide variety of concerning or negative things about a large number of footballers, and if, "at best" only some of it was true, it would still be a very bad indictment on a cross-section of footballers. But, again, it's anecdotal so how can I assume to believe I have an accurate picture of what a footballer is like "as a person"?

This is a pretty disgusting post. I’d expect more from you.

They need to change rape/consent laws. The law is a joke is what the de belin case has showed and it’s happened many times before


If the case was tried under the new consent laws that are currently in Parliament it's much more likely that JDB would have been found guilty, however that's not what happened, and as a result the charge gets marked as 'spent', meaning it will no longer be pursued.

I wouldn't sign him, not because he's a grub (probably is, I dont really know) but because 2 and a half years out of a game is going to be bad for anyone, let alone a game that has changed as much as the NRL since 2019.

He’s a very lucky boy

 

[hsvjones]

Hopefully @THE_POM might come up if we stop talking about silly things

I for one would love an update from @THE_POM as its seem a few things have gone by the wayside this week after his last posts. I had a feeling Isaako was a very good chance but after reports that is very unlikely so might be cold feet or Broncos dug heals in...
Anyway time for a win tonight to cheer everyone up :grinning:

 

[TheDaBoss]

are we signing De Belin?

Must be


Im waiting on mystery prop

You have plenty of time on your side Boss
What are you now ,10

Excuse u....just turned 11 ???

 

[Guest]

We've missed the bus on Hynes because it seems we depend on other clubs to identify talented players.

The time to go hard for Hynes was 7 or 8 weeks ago when he would've been worried about his future. That was the time to show him love.

It's pointless now that he knows multiple clubs want him. It'd just be a waste of time.

 

[tiger_one]

We've missed the bus on Hynes because it seems we depend on other clubs to identify talented players.

The time to go hard for Hynes was 7 or 8 weeks ago when he would've been worried about his future. That was the time to show him love.

It's pointless now that he knows multiple clubs want him. It'd just be a waste of time.

Hartigan must have feelers out for someone else.

 

[Russell]

irrespective of whether or not it was consensual, De Belin had a tag team with another woman while his wife was heavily pregnant at home. If that doesn't spell out to you what kind of bloke this degenerate is, then I don't know what will.

Of course no other footballer has done something like this.

If this is the criteria - half the NRL players would be termed "degenerate."

 

[cochise]

Any more posts about the De Belin case will be deleted. There is a thread for that conversation