Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[pawsandclaws1]

I only want our wingers to be like this, not built like second row forwards with the lack of pace to match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjgrSs-oLV4

far out, that brought back memories

its a simple game, get the ball and run as hard as you can

That backline move Sironen at 5/8 to Simona and the Korobeite. We had pace and skill then.

 

[TrueTiger]

Maybe this was the real reason for the Brisbane trip after Magic round..?
I certainly dont know anything at all,but Isaako was horrible last night....very similar to M.Moses when he wanted out....not say J.I is a tanker,but certainly didnt look proud to wear the Broncos jersey...

 

[Bones]

Just heard today from a reliable source that Issako to us this year will happen...

Take it how you will, great signing if true imo - much better player than what he’s showing

He is very much better at wing than at fullback. We are looking for a good winger who is a very dependable goal kicker. He fills both criteria. Forget about the Canterbury winger who is unwanted by Canterbury for the sole reason that they want to build their coffers for new 2022 signings. We are no longer signing duds.

I feel like I keep repeating myself, but it's down to dollars isn't it? Isaako or DWZ, the value is in the dollar figure. Thinking that Isaako has goal kicking up his sleeve and likely to not be carrying too much inflated salary with him, I'd go down that path.

Truth be told, I have not the foggiest idea about Isaako's current salary, but I'm assuming mid-tier, perhaps a 300-400k region. Even with the Bulldogs chipping in for DWZ, he's going to come a good 100-200 above that. That'd be a huge basis for decision making for me. Speculative of course.

Isaako also is a goalkicker, a requirement we have to ease the burden on Doueihi.

Doueihi is kicking just shy of 80% and getting better. He doesn’t strike me as a guy you need to take pressure off. He wants to be in everything and especially while he is playing centre I think he enjoys the kicking duties.

 

[twentyforty]

C'mon Jamayne, and bring Tevita with you mate!

 

[jrtiger]

I only want our wingers to be like this, not built like second row forwards with the lack of pace to match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjgrSs-oLV4

far out, that brought back memories

its a simple game, get the ball and run as hard as you can

That backline move Sironen at 5/8 to Simona and the Korobeite. We had pace and skill then.

Simona seriously could've been anything. so incredibly disappointing and frustrating what has happened to him. he was electric.

 

[jrtiger]

Brisbane are changing their mind on Isaako like a clock changes time. they need to hurry up. if Dearden heads north chances are they'll want a backup half and that should deliver Jamayne to us with Walters going the other way. as a winger he would be genuinely brilliant.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Brisbane are changing their mind on Isaako like a clock changes time. they need to hurry up. if Dearden heads north chances are they'll want a backup half and that should deliver Jamayne to us with Walters going the other way. as a winger he would be genuinely brilliant.

Was Walters the right coach for the Broncos?

 

[jrtiger]

Brisbane are changing their mind on Isaako like a clock changes time. they need to hurry up. if Dearden heads north chances are they'll want a backup half and that should deliver Jamayne to us with Walters going the other way. as a winger he would be genuinely brilliant.

Was Walters the right coach for the Broncos?

definitely not. it was a decision made to please the old boys who haven't been involved for years. needs a lot of people around him to be a success. that said, Paul Green struggled with adapting to the new rules and there wasn't many others out there at the time. Fitzgibbon maybe, but imagine the uproar if they went with a rookie coach that wasn't Kevin Walters.

 

[DJG]

We need at least 1 winger, that’s if Lee’s lovechild is locked in. I think Laurie is doing a fine job at the back but he needs support from 2 solid wingers to improve our kick return metres. Every team is doing better than us in this part of our game.


No they're not. This might be your perception but the stats don't agree.

For Kick return metres, 'Lee's love child' is averaging 34.6m only slightly behind To'o on 35.7m. Behind him are Teddy, Walsh, RTS, Saab, Coates, Hynes, Rapana, Alex Johntson etc.

In run metres he's also averaging over 150m a game.

As you'd expect, Daine is ahead of Nofo in kick return metres (most fullbacks are as they return the ball more) but is behind Nofo in run metres.

Statistically, DWZ is way ahead of all our wingers and our fullback. Our kick return metres aren't our biggest problem.

how do you explain this?


Nice statistics mate, where abouts did you get this from? Could you link?

looking at that, we actually do quite alot of DH runs!

 

[yeahcaz]

Brisbane are changing their mind on Isaako like a clock changes time. they need to hurry up. if Dearden heads north chances are they'll want a backup half and that should deliver Jamayne to us with Walters going the other way. as a winger he would be genuinely brilliant.

Dearden already at the cowboys

 

[twentyforty]

We need at least 1 winger, that’s if Lee’s lovechild is locked in. I think Laurie is doing a fine job at the back but he needs support from 2 solid wingers to improve our kick return metres. Every team is doing better than us in this part of our game.


No they're not. This might be your perception but the stats don't agree.

For Kick return metres, 'Lee's love child' is averaging 34.6m only slightly behind To'o on 35.7m. Behind him are Teddy, Walsh, RTS, Saab, Coates, Hynes, Rapana, Alex Johntson etc.

In run metres he's also averaging over 150m a game.

As you'd expect, Daine is ahead of Nofo in kick return metres (most fullbacks are as they return the ball more) but is behind Nofo in run metres.

Statistically, DWZ is way ahead of all our wingers and our fullback. Our kick return metres aren't our biggest problem.

how do you explain this?


Nice statistics mate, where abouts did you get this from? Could you link?

looking at that, we actually do quite alot of DH runs!

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/stats/teams?wpa=BB44D82C3D7223D393F2AE47579FB5EA6791ABE4&editiondata=none&fromakamai=true&pt=none&device=DESKTOP&editiondata=none&fromakamai=true&pt=none&device=DESKTOP&sortBy=kickReturnMetres&wpa=BB44D82C3D7223D393F2AE47579FB5EA6791ABE4

 

[nuggetron]

We need at least 1 winger, that’s if Lee’s lovechild is locked in. I think Laurie is doing a fine job at the back but he needs support from 2 solid wingers to improve our kick return metres. Every team is doing better than us in this part of our game.


No they're not. This might be your perception but the stats don't agree.

For Kick return metres, 'Lee's love child' is averaging 34.6m only slightly behind To'o on 35.7m. Behind him are Teddy, Walsh, RTS, Saab, Coates, Hynes, Rapana, Alex Johntson etc.

In run metres he's also averaging over 150m a game.

As you'd expect, Daine is ahead of Nofo in kick return metres (most fullbacks are as they return the ball more) but is behind Nofo in run metres.

Statistically, DWZ is way ahead of all our wingers and our fullback. Our kick return metres aren't our biggest problem.

how do you explain this?


simple
we prevent teams from getting to their kick by allowing them to score tries

 

[voice_of_reason]

We need at least 1 winger, that’s if Lee’s lovechild is locked in. I think Laurie is doing a fine job at the back but he needs support from 2 solid wingers to improve our kick return metres. Every team is doing better than us in this part of our game.


No they're not. This might be your perception but the stats don't agree.

For Kick return metres, 'Lee's love child' is averaging 34.6m only slightly behind To'o on 35.7m. Behind him are Teddy, Walsh, RTS, Saab, Coates, Hynes, Rapana, Alex Johntson etc.

In run metres he's also averaging over 150m a game.

As you'd expect, Daine is ahead of Nofo in kick return metres (most fullbacks are as they return the ball more) but is behind Nofo in run metres.

Statistically, DWZ is way ahead of all our wingers and our fullback. Our kick return metres aren't our biggest problem.

how do you explain this?

I can't, I'm just telling you the stats you mentioned regarding the forum's whipping boy are misguided and not correct.

My best guess would be the various options we've tried on the other wing and in the centres is letting us down because it can be demonstrated both Nofo and Laurie are doing well above average. The fact Nofo and To'o are line ball in metres and Panthers are sitting on top of team KRM tells you something about our other edge.

Maybe this is why Madge is looking at DWZ - he ranks very highly in these metrics.

 

[jirskyr]

Things are not always going to come to fruition in every negotiation. If the Pom says the Tigers and Dogs are talking about DWZ, I believe him. You don’t?

Well if things aren't always going to come to fruition, why fret about them before they do?

Also - who cares if they are talking about DWZ? We have no idea of the context with which DWZ was mentioned, it could be just a chat. It could be part of a potential a swap deal. It could be Tigers want a cheap experienced winger in 2021. It could be Madge thinks he's a very capable footballer being badly utilised at Bulldogs.

None of that makes it "a stupid decision" - in fact, doing your homework and having many conversations with many clubs/managers about many players as possible is good management. Better to know where you stand in the recruitment field than be chasing your tail and chasing the leads of other clubs.

Now what I know for a fact, straight from Adam Hartigan's mouth, is Tigers have a depth chart (all clubs do) and they are continually looking at their depth and available players. Scott Woodward comes to them with his analysis tool and they talk about roster deficiencies and potential recruitment options.

So for example if they think they lack depth in the backline, they look at what the deficit is and how they might fix that. They consider the archetype player they want, e.g. a "Tommy Turbo type" or a "Taumalolo type", to describe the attributes of the footballer they'd want to fix a deficit.

I don't know what they are thinking right now. It may be they feel they lack an experienced back, because the reality is we have very little experience in the backline beyond Nofo, Joey and Jet. If of those are injured, the fallbacks are AJ (out for season, 10 matches), Talau (24 matches), Cini (2), Kei (0), Hoffman (1), Kiah Cooper (0) - that's about 40 FG games experience combined. Tom Mikaele has more experience than that alone. It's not unreasonable to be on the lookout for an experienced back.

 

[happy_tiger]

Has anyone got definitive proof that the WTs are after DWZ/Sam or is it just a case of the usual Nrl media BS spin?…

Because going by the comments made by DWZ on his social media it’s the latter.

The Sam Burgess one I definitely don’t get. Wasn’t he the one that instigated the player revolt against Madge at South’s. Why the hell would Madge risk bringing that toxicity into WTs it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

No Sam B is on record saying he never had any issue with Madge or his approach to training.

That's funny I read somewhere who he and Ben Teo protested at some pre season army drill camp in the pre season they won the premiership ...and Madge relented

Actually I didn't read it ..he was on the shows they were doing during the Covid break and spoke about it then ...

 

[jirskyr]

So sharks get hynes and good chance of finucane, dogs get ado Carr and Burton and we're looking at Dwz. ?
We must be the basket case of basket cases

Canterbury have tried to buy a team and are finding out the hard way that that's not how it works. We learnt that lesson a few years ago with Cleary. Addo-Carr and Burton are fine acquisitions but I much prefer the way we are going about recruitment.

Just because Ivan made some poor recruitment decisions doesn't mean you shouldn't target excellent, established players. Burton and Addo-Carr are excellent signings. They're getting rid of Dallin because they have signed players who are an upgrade on him. The fact Dallin would walk right into our team is an indictment of our backline recruitment.

Spot on.
Josh and Burton are great buys and would walk into our team. So would hynes.
We should be after finucane big time and if we miss out, questions should be asked. Especially if we are looking at dwz

You don't judge recruitment on players that you miss.

Why not?
You rate everything else to be a success on both ends of the equation, why not recruitment? If we are failing to sign players , we are doing something wrong.

You judge it on the players you do recruit as that is the only thing that is 100% in your control. Missing out on a player in not 100% in any clubs control.

So in regards to teams like Melbourne, souths, etc we are just as successful in our recruiting as we signed Hastings, Gillard??

We don't measure the latrell miss, ado Carr and any others we missed out on?

Seems like an excuse for mediocrity mate

You do realise that both those players, knocked us back and signed for less money with other clubs.

Here's the cruncher - the Tigers pulled their offer to each player.

That would indicate that we did not miss out on Latrine and JAC at all.

However you keep saying we did if it makes you feel better and it enhances your argument.

Let’s make this clear.

Latrell has said he didn’t want to come here because he wanted to craft into his fullback position, not hold the team together and look for him to make the big decision during the game..

Although I do agree the grub didn’t want to come here regardless, which is fine.. I never wanted him.

Jai Arrow has said:

"No disrespect to the Tigers, but the proud history of Souths and obviously Wayne Bennett and the coaching staff here is second-to-none,"

He chose south’s because he had been in the origin camp multiple times with Bennet and Dimitri.

As for Addo-Carr, most likely came down to money and paying $600K a year for what 4 years? For a winger that more or less has 2 years of his playing form before he declines.. I’d prefer to bring a new kid in for less..

We know what we need and I’m glad we’re not paying overs for duds in a few years.. ITS THE FUTURE !

Addo-Carr felt disrespected that the Tigers wouldn't release Talau to the Storm in order for him to be released early from his contract. Plain and simple

Baloney. Baloney if it's false, baloney if it's true.

 

[twentyforty]

Has anyone got definitive proof that the WTs are after DWZ/Sam or is it just a case of the usual Nrl media BS spin?…

Because going by the comments made by DWZ on his social media it’s the latter.

The Sam Burgess one I definitely don’t get. Wasn’t he the one that instigated the player revolt against Madge at South’s. Why the hell would Madge risk bringing that toxicity into WTs it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

No Sam B is on record saying he never had any issue with Madge or his approach to training.

That's funny I read somewhere who he and Ben Teo protested at some pre season army drill camp in the pre season they won the premiership ...and Madge relented

Do you think Sam could be showing signs of memory loss?

 

[Tcat]

Interesting Isaako getting hooked last night. Seems like he has checked out. The more I think about it, Isaako to WT and Walters to Broncos is ready to happen however either Broncos or WT are trying to get something else out of the arrangement. I don't think WT are keen on DWZ however we are using him to get something more favourable out of the Broncos whether that is another player or $ reduction.

If WTs management were using a "supposed" interest in DWZ to play the Broncos for Isaako, I'd applaud our management. We need to be more ruthless in our recruitment and I'm hoping our days bending over a copping it up the clacker by other clubs are long gone.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Isako is a decent winger he can play fullback not very well off last nights showing but as some have said maybe he's checked out. Maybe not the right thing to be doing but things happening behind the scenes can affect some players more than others. I really hope the DWZ thing was a ploy to lure Brisbane into giving us Issako i really dont want DWZ he had his chance he made his choice and historically us getting players from the dogs hasnt been overly fruitful.

 

[jirskyr]

Woods is just the scapegoat for the real pain that was losing Teddy because no one could argue that it was best decision that Teddy made.

Ah ..... no sorry . That’s just not true . Woods gets all the hate because he was directly asked , as club captain mind you , several times where his heart was at and his attitude was “it is what it is “ . I even remember someone interviewing him basically calling him out on his lack of leadership . And referencing that . Our real issue began when Robbie was put offside , as he was the glue that held the playing group together . Not because he was liked by all , but they definitely feared him , and respected him .
Woods showed zero leadership , and if anything was actively pushing the whole big 4 to jump ship to the Dessy Dogs . He was the personification of all that was wrong with our club at the time , similar to what’s going on at the Broncos right now .
Clearly Mitchell’s uncle had been pumping the tyres , and had too much control . And Woods I’m sure sees , the error of his way . He went from someone who could have been held in the same breath as Blocker , and Skando , but now will be a foot note on a time when we let the fox in the hen house .

Woods was a rep player as was Teddy at a club in complete disarray. He earned the right to be approached by other clubs and tour their facilities just like every other player does from all clubs when they are approached and are up for contract. The club made all the errors when trying to re/ sign those two after years of poor management. Handing him the club captain after the club shafted Farah(former club captain) while contracted to the club didn't inspire loyalty - if anything quite the opposite. The club needed a wake up call in the way it operated - and Teddy leaving was it.
Losing Woods was nothing compared to losing Teddy yet he is held to some higher standard for choosing to leave.
The whole attack Woods stuff happens because there is some thought that he may have regreted his decision to leave. No one would be stupid enough to suggest the same with Teddy who couldn't get to the Roosters quick enough.

The selfishness of Tedesco never rates a mention. The loss of arguably our best fullback, Papenhuyzen, whilst he toyed with our club was a disgrace.

It rates a mention, I mention it as often as possible. Personally I'm not that fussed about how Aaron Woods left, I'm dirty on how Tedesco left because he flirted with a whole bunch of clubs before joining the Roosters. He did it more than once. His friend-zoning of Tigers cost the signature of Paps, as you say.

Tedesco reportedly backstabbed Bulldogs as much as he did Tigers, and before that Raiders.

And of all the teams in the comp to join the Roosters!

I have the same disrespect for Cooper Cronk, who could have joined a non-stacked side and truly made a name for himself by uplifting a lesser roster, but instead joined an absolutely stacked side, complete with salary sombrero and a job-for-life in Sydney for him and his TV personality wife. I can understand why he made that choice, but I have no respect for it.