@the_patriot said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1379750) said:
It's funny how people who go Moses and other players, call them dogs etc now support Woods coming back to the club.
Screw that rubbish.
The guy was club captain and tried to take all our good players to another club.
The absolute last player id let back in the club.
He’s a grub who thought he was bigger than the club. Think of the Hooper interview where he threw the club under the bus. Around that time he was also a regular on NRL 360. He never once defended the club or spoke on behalf of the club. He was looking out for himself. To do all that as captain, made him one of the most selfish players I can ever remember.
No one in this forum would ever throw the club under the bus...
We’re supporters. Even if we do, we don’t walk away. Players on the other hand
He left under Cleary's watch. What's your opinion of Cleary, one of our greats? Ever talked Cleary up yourself?
I’m failing to see how that’s relevant? If he was loyal to the club, wouldn’t have mattered who the coach was.
Can't be bothered explaining...
No, please do. Don’t back down.
The Jason Taylor years were a nightmare from which it was going to be very difficult to recover. I had a conversation with Siro at the time who told me how frustrated Curtis was at being lied to all the time by Taylor. The players hated Taylor. Woods was the glue in a side when certain players were threatening mutiny. When the club shafted Taylor, who by the way was brought in to do a certain job, and signed Cleary, it really hit the fan. Woodsy wanted to stay. He was club captain and wanted to be a Tiger for life. He loved the Tigers and he thought they loved him. When Cleary offered a his old mate, a convicted criminal 200k a season more than the club captain, to play the same position, it kind of rubbed people the wrong way, particularly when Woods had only ever done his best for the club. He asked if he could be upgraded to the same money as the crim and was told to look elsewhere if he wanted more money. It's common knowledge now that we wasted 800,000k for 3 seasons when we could have kept, at the time, ***the best front rower in the game.***
The rest of your post may be correct, but there was never a time that Woods was the best front rower in the game.
2015 Dally M prop of the year, runner up to JT player of the year.
So Luke Brooks is/was the best Half in the game?
Alright, 2015 and 2016, most metres average by any forward, 40 tackles per game in SOO
2016, Sam Burgess and JWH existed, but I guess you would rather Aaron Woods?
I'll simplify my original point just for you... Woods was poorly treated by Ivan and the club and I don't blame him for leaving or even expressing his disappointment. At the time he was a starting front rower for the Kangaroos and considered by many as the best front rower at that time. That rating is, of course, only an opinion and open to debate. I don't think we should resign him.
In what way did Cleary treat him poorly? Club put a price on him and he wanted more. Club was right at the time and it was proven right by his time at DOgs and Sharks..
Yep, you are right, they were right, Russell Packer was way more valuable to the club than Aaron Woods.
Woods left before Packer signed.
He left before Packer started, not before he agreed to terms.
Riiiiiiiiiiiight. So the club signed Packer for $800K before Woods left and that would work under the cap....how?
And who is telling Woods how much Packer got in his contract? The club, Packer?
Its a simple story you are over complicating. The club valued Woods at a number much less than Woods wanted and the club was right. Woods could get that money at Dogs and we know how that worked out.
Please think about it. If you agree to terms, you don't get paid from that instant, you get paid when you start training with the club. Addo Carr isn't getting paid by the Dogs until next season, even though he agreed to terms months ago. And yes, Woods went to the Dogs for more money but the WT paid even more for Russell Packer, and we know how that worked out.
He would be paid from 1 November, not when started training. Your premise is ridiculous. Woods had the deal on the table for months, if Woods said yes and didnt leave, in your fantasy the Tigers would have a $800K cap problem. No way they agreed to Packer with Woods in the roster.
Are you now trying to tell me that Russell Packer was the only player Cleary signed, that Mbye and Reynolds came for free?
Reynolds signed before Packer
Good luck to Reynolds.
Not to chime in mate , but I distinctly remember Woods touring the dogs facility with Teddy on the sly , with a goal to deliver the big prize in teddy , and to a lesser extent Moses. The whole thing started through Klemmer who was gone less than year later himself .
Cleary was signed what , Early May ? The timeline defeats your argument . Woods was worth 800k to us . And no one else . The dogs paid him that because Teddy was worth 1.5mil to everyone , and he was asking for 1.2mil. It was Teddy who bailed at the last minute , basically getting everyone from Hasler to Klemmer looking for a new job . He basically ruined 2 clubs in 1 negotiation process . It was quite a feat .
>***I don't know the timeline on negotiations*** but I do know that Woods knew Packer was coming before he signed with the Dogs. ***I don't know how much influence that had on his decision*** but he was certainly unhappy about it. .
You dont know the timeline, you dont know the influence on the the decision......but apparently you DO know for a fact....." *He asked if he could be upgraded to the same money as the crim*".
Makes as much sense as the rest of your story.
Where did I say that. ***You've put it in quotation marks, but I never said that.*** Are you trying to twist this to suit your own argument? I'll say this, I got my info from Aaron Woods mother, where did you get yours from, the Daily Telegraph? Keep trying as hard as you can,you poor unfortunate blow hard, you have no real idea but you're pretending you do.
Tigerballs, Im not the one pretending to know anything. You are the one pretending you know all. All I'm doing is pointing out that your story is completely improbable if not totally impossible based on the timeline (Woods left before Packer was signed and was the first of the Big Three to leave) and totally impossible based on the constraints of the salary cap (Tigers had over $3.2M in offers on the table for Woods, Teddy, Moses & Brooks, there is no way they can sign a prop for $800K,,,,and Woods was the first to bail). None of it is possible.......but a lovely old lady who loves her son, told you so,,,,,,there you go.
By the way Tigerballs, you seem to have a lot of trouble keeping your story straight, which makes it a little harder to believe. One minute you know for a fact the timeline and you know for a **fact** that he left because club wouldnt match what they paid for "the Crim", the next you dont know the timeline and arent aware of the negotiations. Maybe you need to give Mrs Woods a call for the good oil. One minute you say something, the next day you deny it. Its hard to keep track of the twists and turns in your story.
The reason I put " He asked if he could be upgraded to the same money as the crim" in quotation marks, is that it is a ***quotation.*** I am quoting what you said, verbatim, actually a copy and paste. It kinda puts a massive hole in the believability of your story that the club screwed Woods because they would match what they were paying "the crim" if you cant even remember saying it. I would have thought that is a pretty key component of the conversation and not something that would be deniable.
Do you need a Bex..?
Nah mate, Im good, and Im sure my posts are coming across more agro than I mean. Im not attempting to *argue* with Tigerballs, I am merely pointing out that what he is saying does not line up with every available fact.
In response TB has thrown a few personal jabs that dont relate to what Im saying and the post Im responding to here is saying I am intentionally lying and misquoting him in order to "suit my own argument" because I am a "poor unfortuante blowhard" "pretending" to have an idea. Worth a response I would have thought and again, no personal attack on TB, havent called him a name and merely provide facts to help him out.
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