Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[pawsandclaws1]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

I agree with @the_third Paws re the team playing together for years.
I feel they respond well with each other first, then to Cleary.

Of course you do Magpies. I'd be shocked if you conceded what is obvious; that Cleary is a fine coach and his son is the finest player in RL (he obviously had much to do with this but is too modest to admit it).

For most, Cleary's demeanor is positive and the images I have viewed in the Panthers' sheds have him sitting down, controlled.

 

[twentyforty]

I have to agree with Johns on this point in referring to a no go on Finucane..
“Johns said the Tigers are better off searching for 'the next Dale Finucane' who can develop at the club as they rebuild.
"Go find the Dale Finucane who is 19, 20, 21. And they're out there," he said.“

 

[twentyforty]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

I agree with @the_third Paws re the team playing together for years.
I feel they respond well with each other first, then to Cleary.

Of course you do Magpies. I'd be shocked if you conceded what is obvious; that Cleary is a fine coach and his son is the finest player in RL (he obviously had much to do with this but is too modest to admit it).

For most, Cleary's demeanor is positive and the images I have viewed in the Panthers' sheds have him sitting down, controlled.

Does anyone else think Luai is a better halfback than Nathan Cleary?

 

[JC99]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

I agree with @the_third Paws re the team playing together for years.
I feel they respond well with each other first, then to Cleary.

Of course you do Magpies. I'd be shocked if you conceded what is obvious; that Cleary is a fine coach and his son is the finest player in RL (he obviously had much to do with this but is too modest to admit it).

For most, Cleary's demeanor is positive and the images I have viewed in the Panthers' sheds have him sitting down, controlled.

Does anyone else think Luai is a better halfback than Nathan Cleary?

Nah, cleary is a generational talent. Luai is pretty good but Nathan was always going to be a star.

 

[finnzo]

I have to agree with Johns on this point in referring to a no go on Finucane..
“Johns said the Tigers are better off searching for 'the next Dale Finucane' who can develop at the club as they rebuild.
"Go find the Dale Finucane who is 19, 20, 21. And they're out there," he said.“

Ok sweet we will go and find a 21 year old who has played in 6 grand finals and played state of origin and helped lead 1 of the greatest sporting clubs in the world for years. We’re buying his leadership and experience it’s going to be more about what he bring off the field then his on field contribution cheers Joey

 

[Telltails]

Luai is season behind Cleary- I think he could be just as good. He never appears rattled and has great instincts without over playing. A very special player. Its amazing that they have them both they will be sitting camped at the comp for years to come - with the cardboard cutout smirking. If they cant win him a premiership or two no one will.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

There are loads of different variables that go on that us as fans aren't privy to.
Madge is a hard ass but i think its a good thing. I think some of the players just have not bought into his methods but others have. Our Flegg, womens side and KOE cup team are doing amazing. The club is building form the bottom up. It is definitely not a quick fix that us fans want but will possibly/hopefully/better be a successful side in the next 2 years and years to come. You can't change attitude and mentality overnight, it does take years to embedd culture

:+1: :+1: :+1:

Isn't the speed of cultural shift dependent upon leaders determinedly working on themselves, making changes and talking about those changes and their impact on the business?

So what changes has Maguire made to say his communication, ability to strategize as part of cultural shift? We continually read Maguire is a hard ass. Yesterday I read an article on Inglis' season ending knee injury at Souths and one of the reasons put forward for Maguire's dismissal was that his inflexible approach wore the squad down. Do you believe Maguire has to work on this part of his coaching style?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

I agree with @the_third Paws re the team playing together for years.
I feel they respond well with each other first, then to Cleary.

Of course you do Magpies. I'd be shocked if you conceded what is obvious; that Cleary is a fine coach and his son is the finest player in RL (he obviously had much to do with this but is too modest to admit it).

For most, Cleary's demeanor is positive and the images I have viewed in the Panthers' sheds have him sitting down, controlled.

Does anyone else think Luai is a better halfback than Nathan Cleary?

He's an outstanding talent but Cleary wins the big moments in the game. As a pair, they're brilliant and I wish we had them.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

I agree with @the_third Paws re the team playing together for years.
I feel they respond well with each other first, then to Cleary.

Of course you do Magpies. I'd be shocked if you conceded what is obvious; that Cleary is a fine coach and his son is the finest player in RL (he obviously had much to do with this but is too modest to admit it).

For most, Cleary's demeanor is positive and the images I have viewed in the Panthers' sheds have him sitting down, controlled.

Does anyone else think Luai is a better halfback than Nathan Cleary?

I think they’re both great. And together they’re awesome.

 

[TigerWest]

I have to agree with Johns on this point in referring to a no go on Finucane..
“Johns said the Tigers are better off searching for 'the next Dale Finucane' who can develop at the club as they rebuild.
"Go find the Dale Finucane who is 19, 20, 21. And they're out there," he said.“

Do you not think we are doing this? But in the mean time, we need to look at now as well?

 

[Telltails]

I have to agree with Johns on this point in referring to a no go on Finucane..
“Johns said the Tigers are better off searching for 'the next Dale Finucane' who can develop at the club as they rebuild.
"Go find the Dale Finucane who is 19, 20, 21. And they're out there," he said.“

Do you not think we are doing this? But in the mean time, we need to look at now as well?

He is not subtle about wanting to keep us just where we are. He would love Newcastle to get TPJ and Finucane no doubt.

 

[Demps]

So Andrew Johns has warned TPJ not to sign with us and now warns us not to sign Dale Finucane either - seems to not want us to get anyone. Must have really miffed him when we beat the Knights twice this year.
"Andrew Johns has warned the Wests Tigers against recruiting veteran NRL star Dale Finucane, advising the club to look for a younger version of the Origin lock instead.

The Tigers have been linked to unwanted Brisbane Broncos star Tevita Pangai Jr, as well as Finucane, who is on Brad Fittler's extended bench for the Blues. The Bulldogs, Dragons and Sharks have also been reported to have interest in Finucane, but re-signing with the Melbourne Storm is still on the table for the 29-year-old.
However Johns said time is not on Finucane's side to make a significant impact for the club, despite his the value he brings beyond the footy field.
"There's clubs climbing over each other to get him," Johns said on Wide World of Sports' Immortal Behaviour.
And it's not necessarily what he does on the field, it's the way he prepares. I saw the way he prepares at Origin a couple of years ago, it is just so methodical the way he does it, so professional and it rubs off on other players.

"But Dale has played a lot of tough footy. I don't know how much footy he's got left."

Johns said the Tigers are better off searching for 'the next Dale Finucane' who can develop at the club as they rebuild.
Go find the Dale Finucane who is 19, 20, 21. And they're out there," he said.

The question though, is whether the Tigers have the comprehensive talent scouting that the Melbourne Storm do.

"The Storm don't recruit talent, they recruit character," Johns said.

"There's no one better [at recruitment]. They lose [Greg] Inglis, [Israel] Folau, [Cooper] Cronk, Billy Slater, Cameron Smith - we're talking about five champions, once in a generation players, and they're still on top of the table."

Johns says "go and find the next 19/20 year old Finucane, they're out there" but doesn't provide any examples. If there are so many out there Joey, why does your club recruit 30 year old Aiden Guerra's and Suaso Sue's instead? The blokes a goose who loves the sound of his own voice

Joey doesn't care about the knights that much man, he lives in Bronte.

He helps out whoever throws him some coin.
Manly, Parramatta...

He might get nostalgic about the good old Newy days like some would about high school but he's moved on.

He doesn't care who they recruit

 

[tiger_one]

Easy for the Joeys of this world to give their opinion, they never have had to actually do it with specific club constraints.

 

[frullens]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

The thing about Australian school boys is they look really good.. against school boys.

Thanks for that pearl of wisdom , but talent is talent . Just because they never develop the physicality , and mentality doesn’t mean you don’t target the elite juniors .
And we have them in the club . They’re here . So this garbage about not having talent is just that . Garbage . We have to figure out how to get that talent to translate .

No doubt they are talented some of these young players, you don’t make a National team at any level without talent. But to go from elite junior to professional NRL player you need a few things - great mentors, the right attitude and a lot of luck. And that might get you a debut. I’ve watched first hand as many super talented juniors failed to crack NRL. I will continue to say it, until our systems are right and we have good senior players we are going to continue to see these young guys fall short of expectations. Craig Fitzgibbon was a dud junior who played on a wing, look what good systems did for him.

That’s my point . I think are agreeing here . The issue is the pathways , and development , not lack of talent . So when people say things like “we don’t have the talent that Melbourne do” . I call bull crap !!! We do so have the talent . We just as a club arnt nurturing them in a system that is not only conducive to them maximising thier talents individually, but from a fans perspective , maximising the Ws for the club .

I haven’t seen the data but I am sure we have more talent to draw upon if you’re talking juniors. But you can’t compare talent in our NRL squads because Melbourne wipes the floor with us. On and off the pitch.

What the hell are you talking about ? Your taking in circles ? What your referring to as talent isn’t talent . E word is elite . Talent , which is what I’m taking about , will only get you so far . At some point the systems to help you to become elite .

That’s our issue . We do not transition the extremely talented players into elite nearly enough .

Controversial take here , I don’t think we maximised benji either . I think if he had come through with a different club , say Melbourne , he would be the greatest footballer to ever live . He was soo much better than any player I’ve ever seen . But as it stands , he will go down as the most skill full , with only 1 premiership , when he was 19 by the way , to his name .
It’s a disgrace . If I’m being honest . Sure it falls on him as well as anyone . But yea , we should have done better .

The only one I think who got everything out of his career was Robbie . But that’s cUse the guy worked , and worked . I don’t think that was a club culture thing though . ThT was just him . And with him back in the club , with sheens , and Madge for that matter , they’re all guys who work hard . And are all known for being A-holes . Which is what we need to change the joint . We’ve always been the fun club , even back to the start of the merger with players being caught on the disco bickies , and many many others with rumours of liking Scarface just a little too much .

Reluctant to argue about English language here but I think you’re talking about potential. Elite players are highly talented.

And many arnt . Guys like Nigel plum. They’re elite NRL players . They are willing to put thier head where you shouldn’t but your foot . And work thier absolute butts off .

Who by thier own admission , would say , they weren’t as talented as most of the guys coming through , they just wanted it more .

But whatever mate, if you want to continue the narrative “we suck , whhhhhy can’t weeeee get the same talented playeeers atlas the storm . ITS NOT FAIR !!! “ story . Then good for you . It’s not true . We do have the same talented players . We just suck at developing them .

I remember Nigel Plum putting me on my ass back in under 16s in Wagga. He was known as one of the best tacklers back then, without starting elite pathways yet.
But I'm sure the elite program took him to another level because yes he was one of the hardest working players.

 

[Demps]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

The thing about Australian school boys is they look really good.. against school boys.

Thanks for that pearl of wisdom , but talent is talent . Just because they never develop the physicality , and mentality doesn’t mean you don’t target the elite juniors .
And we have them in the club . They’re here . So this garbage about not having talent is just that . Garbage . We have to figure out how to get that talent to translate .

No doubt they are talented some of these young players, you don’t make a National team at any level without talent. But to go from elite junior to professional NRL player you need a few things - great mentors, the right attitude and a lot of luck. And that might get you a debut. I’ve watched first hand as many super talented juniors failed to crack NRL. I will continue to say it, until our systems are right and we have good senior players we are going to continue to see these young guys fall short of expectations. Craig Fitzgibbon was a dud junior who played on a wing, look what good systems did for him.

That’s my point . I think are agreeing here . The issue is the pathways , and development , not lack of talent . So when people say things like “we don’t have the talent that Melbourne do” . I call bull crap !!! We do so have the talent . We just as a club arnt nurturing them in a system that is not only conducive to them maximising thier talents individually, but from a fans perspective , maximising the Ws for the club .

I haven’t seen the data but I am sure we have more talent to draw upon if you’re talking juniors. But you can’t compare talent in our NRL squads because Melbourne wipes the floor with us. On and off the pitch.

What the hell are you talking about ? Your taking in circles ? What your referring to as talent isn’t talent . E word is elite . Talent , which is what I’m taking about , will only get you so far . At some point the systems to help you to become elite .

That’s our issue . We do not transition the extremely talented players into elite nearly enough .

Controversial take here , I don’t think we maximised benji either . I think if he had come through with a different club , say Melbourne , he would be the greatest footballer to ever live . He was soo much better than any player I’ve ever seen . But as it stands , he will go down as the most skill full , with only 1 premiership , when he was 19 by the way , to his name .
It’s a disgrace . If I’m being honest . Sure it falls on him as well as anyone . But yea , we should have done better .

The only one I think who got everything out of his career was Robbie . But that’s cUse the guy worked , and worked . I don’t think that was a club culture thing though . ThT was just him . And with him back in the club , with sheens , and Madge for that matter , they’re all guys who work hard . And are all known for being A-holes . Which is what we need to change the joint . We’ve always been the fun club , even back to the start of the merger with players being caught on the disco bickies , and many many others with rumours of liking Scarface just a little too much .

Reluctant to argue about English language here but I think you’re talking about potential. Elite players are highly talented.

And many arnt . Guys like Nigel plum. They’re elite NRL players . They are willing to put thier head where you shouldn’t but your foot . And work thier absolute butts off .

Who by thier own admission , would say , they weren’t as talented as most of the guys coming through , they just wanted it more .

But whatever mate, if you want to continue the narrative “we suck , whhhhhy can’t weeeee get the same talented playeeers atlas the storm . ITS NOT FAIR !!! “ story . Then good for you . It’s not true . We do have the same talented players . We just suck at developing them .

I remember Nigel Plum putting me on my ass back in under 16s in Wagga. He was known as one of the best tacklers back then, without starting elite pathways yet.
But I'm sure the elite program took him to another level because yes he was one of the hardest working players.

Joel Thompson was always one of the last picked lads in that same comp.

And one of the only few that made it through to first grade.

Hard work trumps all.

 

[tony soprano]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

If any of our current players are saying that Paws, they should be weeded out and turfed out.
Madge was employed to coach our team and our players are paid big $$$ to listen and learn from him.

I feel Madge is now getting the support that I imagine most other coaches would **already have**.

So with that pressure now being taken off him, I reckon we are going to see positive changes from Wests Tigers from now on.

The changes may be small at first, but they will be there if we keep an open mind and are prepared to look for and recognise them.

Just this year alone we have already had many positive appointments.

Imo the only better coach than Madge atm is Craig Bellamy, if available when Madge's contract is up.

Magpies, our Chair says this

“Seriously, I could not be more impressed with Madge’s commitment and passion,” Hagipantelis said.


Our CEO said this

“Our training has been outstanding and the roster is the best we’ve had for some time. Our staff and personnel and support around the football club means we’re now far better equipped financially.”

Both to me are revealing statements. What about his coaching ability?

We have high profile non performing players in our squad that the coaching staff are looking to move on. As such they are not motivated to perform at their best (even though they should be in order to get a start somewhere else).

I don't care how good the coach is, if the higher paid players are disgruntled then they are not going to look to improve themselves under the current coach.

The coach has failed to get the best from players. What does he give them as a motivational speech prior to the game and at half time, valium?

Our squad has gone backwards. You cannot keep blaming the players.

But Madge chose the players
I don’t get it ?

Yeah, JAC, Latrell, Arrow, Frizell, Brimson, Sua. Etc.

All laughed at Pascoe and co. And went elsewhere.

Also laughed at our spine

 

[TIGERPOWER]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

Madges passion and determination to make this club successful is second to none. His emotion after each loss is hard to watch. It looks like someone’ has died. I love that about him and would wish nothing more then for him to be the man that could take us back to finals and to being a force. Unfortunately I think the game has moved past him and he can’t keep up in todays game. Our tactics aren’t working, and the players arent responding to him or getting better under him. Even as a madge supporter, I think we need a change as we finally have a direction of investing in juniors and having a squad of players such as Laurie, douhei, stefano, blore, simpkin who can be anything. Someone like a John Morris (who understands the mentality of these young players )overseen by Tim sheens has to be the answer.

 

[bigsiro]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

I agree with @the_third Paws re the team playing together for years.
I feel they respond well with each other first, then to Cleary.

Of course you do Magpies. I'd be shocked if you conceded what is obvious; that Cleary is a fine coach and his son is the finest player in RL (he obviously had much to do with this but is too modest to admit it).

For most, Cleary's demeanor is positive and the images I have viewed in the Panthers' sheds have him sitting down, controlled.

Does anyone else think Luai is a better halfback than Nathan Cleary?

Nah, cleary is a generational talent. Luai is pretty good but Nathan was always going to be a star.

Can’t be generational talent cos folks on here say that he is no better than Brooks.

 

[JC99]

I think Madge is only a good top team coach does well with NZ and would be a good SOO coach. Weaker teams hasn’t proved himself in nrl

Who has - which coach ever is a good cosch for a crap team ??

If Madge was coaching Penrith, they'd still be top of the table!.

I believe you are very much underselling Cleary's coaching ability. On his son alone, arguably the best RL player, he has done an outstanding job. His young players at the Panthers really do respond well to him.

I agree with @the_third Paws re the team playing together for years.
I feel they respond well with each other first, then to Cleary.

Of course you do Magpies. I'd be shocked if you conceded what is obvious; that Cleary is a fine coach and his son is the finest player in RL (he obviously had much to do with this but is too modest to admit it).

For most, Cleary's demeanor is positive and the images I have viewed in the Panthers' sheds have him sitting down, controlled.

Does anyone else think Luai is a better halfback than Nathan Cleary?

Nah, cleary is a generational talent. Luai is pretty good but Nathan was always going to be a star.

Can’t be generational talent cos folks on here say that he is no better than Brooks.

He's everything brooks was hyped to be - fantastic player. Can't remember a halfback so young being so dominant

 

[TigerWest]

What makes anyone think that this bunch of soft, entitled, lazy, arrogant and comfort-zone players are going to follow Finucane's lead?
I rate Tamou.
I don't believe he was brought here to run for 200mtrs and make copious amounts of tackle-breaks, off-loads, score 10 tries and kick goals at 95%.
His leadership is about recovery, professional conduct, never lying down and adopting a winning mentality, the rest is up to guys like Mikaele, Musgrove, Luccie, Uto, Brooksy, Garner, TommyT, Joe O, Jet, Nofo, Mbye and the rest to use their God-given talents to the best of their ability.
Is he still a leader if this bunch of powder-puffs lack the mental and intestinal fortitude to follow?...
I love TPJ's X-factor, which we're missing, but giving Tamou some back-up in the mould of Finucane would be far more conducive to establishing a platform that drives the values of tenacity, pride of performance, striving to succeed, especially in the face of adversity which breed a winning culture, something we've sorely lacked for far too long.

Some of those players you named played very well last Saturday so I think what you have written is a little unfair.

The finger should be pointed at Maguire. He looked like a man without answers during that post match press conference. He's actually had that look for a significant period of time. Perhaps if the club installed a leader as coach, we may achieve better results and performances. I read many comments which describe Maguire as tough. Tough does not necessarily mean you are good, it could mean you use it to hide your lack of tactical nous or comms skills.

He doesn't have the answers but he's a loyal soldier and will be here for the remainder of his contract.

If that is true, it's confirmation WTs should be booted.

C'mon Paws...really ...'Wests Tigers' should be booted.
Are you sure you meant to say that?

Most supporters would be dismayed with the answer I responded to about Maguire.

Yeh ok Paws, but how does this post link to "WT's should be booted"?

Mediocrity. The original poster wrote Maguire doesn't have the answers but he'll see out his contract because he's a loyal soldier.

You may not have an issue with it. I do and I believe others may as well.

Hartigan is doing an outstanding job with recruitment. I wonder though whether the word is out among other players that you will not improve under Maguire?

Good players know that it's the quality of the players around you that make you better not those content to be mediocre and not put the work in. Mediocrity comes from laziness mentally and physically and that lies solely with the the players themselves.

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept - 2016 Australian of the Year.

This from a former military officer resonates.

This is the issue with we know Maguire doesn't have the answers but he is a loyal soldier who will see out his contract.

They’re contracted mate all he can do is drop them. Packer, Bj, Garner, Brooks, Talau, Kepaoa, Stef, Mbye, AD, etc etc

All been dropped at various stages.

What else can he do when it’s dudville?

It's easy to blame the players when you don't have the answers.

Yes, it easy to blame the players, they are ones that have got us in this mess.
I'm not sure how you make a player, play to expectations, without dropping him?

You can’t replace 30 players because he’s unable to coach them effectively. What happens if the next bunch can’t play either, do we replace them too and keep rolling over the roster forever? At what stage does he take some responsibility?

Avo...when you go to a party does the room light up when you walk in?
Seems to me you need a few of those gourmet pies from your local pie shop :joy_cat: .

We dont need to replace 30 players, that's just silly :confounded: .
Our **team** of Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe purchased the best players available at the time without paying overs, and I commend them for that.

Better players that are prepared to believe in Madge and give :100: effort and commitment to Wests Tigers will become available and **we will all live happily ever after ** :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

I’m not a miserable person at all, but as a fan I am extremely frustrated and am not deluded to the point where I think we’re heading in the right direction.

I don’t know about Madge . I’m kind of with you , and kind of not . I don’t think the team is garbage at all , and I think there’s a lot of the cream of the crop from the last 5 years u18s sitting in our squad .
Guys like talau , kepoa , Blore , seyfarth , Simpkin , Simpkins , Uto , madden , Cini ,even Liddle . They were all Aus schoolboys . And then there’s guys like Brooks , AD, and Twal , who are also clearly talented and ,once again ,elite for thier age group .
Which says to me , we do have the talent .

What we lack , is a way to combine it all under one nucleus and push forward as one unit .
And for that I kind of agree there’s something wrong , with either thier development , or the coaching staff.
I honestly it’s not that Madge is a crap coach , is that he can’t relinquish the steering wheel , due to past whiteanting . So he doesn’t have the best support staff he could get. But rather guys he can trust .
Which inevitably , if he doesn’t take a risk , and delegate authority , to guys who are clearly talented coaches , then he will be just the NZ coach moving forward. Which will be a shame IMO, as the guys clearly gives a stuff , loves the club , and most importantly is a talented coach.

Madges passion and determination to make this club successful is second to none. His emotion after each loss is hard to watch. It looks like someone’ has died. I love that about him and would wish nothing more then for him to be the man that could take us back to finals and to being a force. Unfortunately I think the game has moved past him and he can’t keep up in today as game. Our tactics aren’t working, and the players are responding to him or getting better under him. Even as a madge supporter, I think we need a change as we finally have a direction of investing in juniors and having a squad of players such as Laurie, douhei, stefano, blore, simpkin who can be anything. Someone like a John Morris (who understands the mentality of these young players )overseen by Tim sheens has to be the answer.

The Storms tactics were to run at us and over us, because no one was stopping them? Not sure any coach can fix this type of effort, without dropping (but who for) or sacking them, when there contract is up and replacing them with players who are prepared to do the work.

The good teams wouldn’t be good teams with our squad?