Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[tigerballs]

Is there even a mutual vision from Madge, Hartigan and the club on what type of team they wish to be identified as?

If we're attempting to buy players based on their leadership skills only, then this looks problematic to what we've been trying to establish and move away from for the past couple of years - and it perhaps highlights that there may be issues with certain personnel.
Looks like we've been filling gaps with no clear picture of what we wish to become or we're no closer to it.
I dont see much wrong with the player's abilities but more the directive they're playing under - tactical game plans - isn't working effectively or isn't modified to suit us.
Yes they're young with limited experience and there's leadership problems but there's this great big disconnect between them and without correcting this, buying a player for their leadership skills only isn't going to change this.
We just look like we can't find any rhythm as a team and all be on the same page.
I know some people dont wish to hear it but the fact some of our most influential and experienced players are unable to consistently perform to task (in our seasoned NRL players) and are most susceptible to being our poorest, that we're still not working well together, show an inability to adhere to game plans and our players look to lack awareness, this should really bring the techniques and strategies being applied to motivate the team into question.

Of course that vision exist, it goes further than that, they have actually developed the archetypes of the players they want in each position.

Thanks Garry. Know that it's the underperforming from the team which makes me question this but the cohesiveness of the team or effort isn't really improving, so it's bugging me more than it should.

I only want us to buy the most skilful, athletic and competitive players but without fixing this (getting this team to perform to their best) seems like it'll mean very little and it looks more like we're not taking the correct measures or don't have the right resources.

I think it is just going to take time, I think we need to build through youth as established stars are reluctant to come here due to decade of non finals appearances. We have been attracting good young players and I have been concerned about our ability to develop those players but I think the acquisition of Betsey, Kimmorley and Sheens, in pathways roles, shows this as an area the club was concerned about as well and is taking steps to rectify that issue. Ronny Palmer is also in a role in pathways as well so we are sending resources that direction.

Love the fact our Flegg is doing well. Need to bring as many of those boys together through our systems as possible, just like Penrith did

This is where our future is , and as you said if these boys can stay together at this club and come up together through to first grade we will then have exactly what the panthers have.
The big job of our people behind the scenes is keeping these guys interested in staying at this club and not wanting to move on.

Just an observation but of all the superstars playing Origin last night, how many are still playing for their debut club? I know Cleary, Luai, Turbo, To'o, Saifiti?, Cameron Murray, Yeo, Whighton, Payne Haas, Coates, Feldt, Munster, Cherry-Evans, Welch, Kaufusi, maybe some others. A few others have only changed clubs once and that was usually to the Roosters, Souths or Storm or for megabucks. They don't come up for sale very often. Seems the best way is to get 'em young or grow your own...

 

[sleeve]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

 

[JC99]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

 

[sleeve]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

 

[fibrodreaming]

The big job of our people behind the scenes is keeping these guys interested in staying at this club and not wanting to move on.

Agree. I think I recall reading that we have made offers to Seyfarth and Mikaele, but there is no word of them signing as yet. This will be a good test of our ability to retain our young players.

I would rather retain a player like Seyfarth than lose him and sign Finucane.

 

[JC99]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

 

[sleeve]

We have to get real regarding Finnucane,
Storm are excellent at keeping a top class roster, and removing dead wood.
Out of 30 players, at least 12 would be forwards, they no longer think he is needed going forward.
The reason for this, is either they can see his performance deteriorating or as in McQueen is carrying injuries.
He is a solid hard working forward, he is not a Burgess, hargraves etc
No, i don't think he will be a Packer.
I do think that in the next 12 mths 2or 3 of our young players will at least be his equal . and we will need the money to keep them.
This is why he is the wrong signing.

They're trying to keep him - Bellamy is trying to find the salary cap room to offer him a good deal

And the money, and length of contract , will be a lot less then what the dummies will offer.

Of course, and that might be the reason he leaves. He will get more money elsewhere

And there will be clubs silly enough to to do this, i hope we are not that club. Panic signings have cost us big time.

 

[voice_of_reason]

I would rather retain a player like Seyfarth than lose him and sign Finucane.

And this is the trick to recruitment. Many commentators are suggesting we sign 'the next Finucane' - maybe we're already sitting on him.

I wasn't a big fan of Seyfarth to begin with but if he can improve his goal line defence and lateral movement he could be anything. I'm not suggesting they're equal but I wonder what Finucane was like at 22? There's a bit of mongrel in him which I quite like.

 

[BAGNF05]

When do we find out if the club is extending jtj it must be comming up

It’ll be hidden away on a press release about our work with the indigenous community.

 

[sleeve]

We are not going anywhere this year, Pangi and others can be signed for next year, if needed. More concerned , with buying backup centre and FB. Still a major weakness in my mind.

 

[BAGNF05]

Is there even a mutual vision from Madge, Hartigan and the club on what type of team they wish to be identified as?

If we're attempting to buy players based on their leadership skills only, then this looks problematic to what we've been trying to establish and move away from for the past couple of years - and it perhaps highlights that there may be issues with certain personnel.
Looks like we've been filling gaps with no clear picture of what we wish to become or we're no closer to it.
I dont see much wrong with the player's abilities but more the directive they're playing under - tactical game plans - isn't working effectively or isn't modified to suit us.
Yes they're young with limited experience and there's leadership problems but there's this great big disconnect between them and without correcting this, buying a player for their leadership skills only isn't going to change this.
We just look like we can't find any rhythm as a team and all be on the same page.
I know some people dont wish to hear it but the fact some of our most influential and experienced players are unable to consistently perform to task (in our seasoned NRL players) and are most susceptible to being our poorest, that we're still not working well together, show an inability to adhere to game plans and our players look to lack awareness, this should really bring the techniques and strategies being applied to motivate the team into question.

Of course that vision exist, it goes further than that, they have actually developed the archetypes of the players they want in each position.

Thanks Garry. Know that it's the underperforming from the team which makes me question this but the cohesiveness of the team or effort isn't really improving, so it's bugging me more than it should.

I only want us to buy the most skilful, athletic and competitive players but without fixing this (getting this team to perform to their best) seems like it'll mean very little and it looks more like we're not taking the correct measures or don't have the right resources.

I think it is just going to take time, I think we need to build through youth as established stars are reluctant to come here due to decade of non finals appearances. We have been attracting good young players and I have been concerned about our ability to develop those players but I think the acquisition of Betsey, Kimmorley and Sheens, in pathways roles, shows this as an area the club was concerned about as well and is taking steps to rectify that issue. Ronny Palmer is also in a role in pathways as well so we are sending resources that direction.

Love the fact our Flegg is doing well. Need to bring as many of those boys together through our systems as possible, just like Penrith did

This is where our future is , and as you said if these boys can stay together at this club and come up together through to first grade we will then have exactly what the panthers have.
The big job of our people behind the scenes is keeping these guys interested in staying at this club and not wanting to move on.

Just an observation but of all the superstars playing Origin last night, how many are still playing for their debut club? I know Cleary, Luai, Turbo, To'o, Saifiti?, Cameron Murray, Yeo, Whighton, Payne Haas, Coates, Feldt, Munster, Cherry-Evans, Welch, Kaufusi, maybe some others. A few others have only changed clubs once and that was usually to the Roosters, Souths or Storm or for megabucks. They don't come up for sale very often. Seems the best way is to get 'em young or grow your own...

Couple debuted with us and moved on... yep to Roosters and Storm.

 

[Harvey]

Having read through numerous pages and not found actual news on signings, my view on the topics I saw covered

We need to improve what we have.

I would take Finucane for 4 years, but not at the annual figure being suggested. Even as he goes downhill he should be able to be support piece around what is hopefully a developing young pack. Need to look at recruiting Souths Dr so that medical retirement can be an option if we are stuck with a contract and a player fading away.

I am not willing to bag Tamou, I think he is going alright. Will not play big minutes, but does bend the line and get quick play the balls. We need to find more support around him & more impact off the bench/better rotation. Our go forward seems to stagnate during stages of the game with backs not suited being asked to make dirty hit-ups. The number of times I have seen hit-ups from Laurie & JTJ should have our pack embarrassed.

I am not sure the academy at Campbelltown will be a great help. It is a positive and shows engagement with the area, but the biggest problem out here has always been politics and nepotism in the junior leagues. We need to ensure that the best players are taken into the academy & not those with links to particular people and the junior clubs they are involved with.

I am starting to wonder whether the media is playing with us? We are progressing with TPJ and the media calls out he is not what we need need professionalism. Club stops and pivots to Finucane & then the media calls out that he is too old. It could well be that they are just throwing opinions out & in reality have no idea what the club is doing.

We need to be looking at edge players (2nd row/centre) as I think that is the area where we have the least depth.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

They said we should be looking for the next Finucane could that be Seyfarth who has improved as the season has gone is there anyone else in the lower grades that fit the bill.

 

[Don Kershane]

Difficult to know the type of player to target with V'landys butting in with rule changes. The only foreseeable constant is the the need for speed.

 

[sleeve]

Difficult to know the type of player to target with V'landys butting in with rule changes. The only foreseeable constant is the the need for speed.

Don, i agree, but in all running games, since the apple on the tree and the pair on the ground, speed has been key.

 

[BAGNF05]

Difficult to know the type of player to target with V'landys butting in with rule changes. The only foreseeable constant is the the need for speed.

Mentally tough ones. Rugby League caters to all types of athletes as long as they’ve got the ticker.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Having read through numerous pages and not found actual news on signings, my view on the topics I saw covered

We need to improve what we have.

I would take Finucane for 4 years, but not at the annual figure being suggested. Even as he goes downhill he should be able to be support piece around what is hopefully a developing young pack. Need to look at recruiting Souths Dr so that medical retirement can be an option if we are stuck with a contract and a player fading away.

I am not willing to bag Tamou, I think he is going alright. Will not play big minutes, but does bend the line and get quick play the balls. We need to find more support around him & more impact off the bench/better rotation. Our go forward seems to stagnate during stages of the game with backs not suited being asked to make dirty hit-ups. The number of times I have seen hit-ups from Laurie & JTJ should have our pack embarrassed.

I am not sure the academy at Campbelltown will be a great help. It is a positive and shows engagement with the area, but the biggest problem out here has always been politics and nepotism in the junior leagues. We need to ensure that the best players are taken into the academy & not those with links to particular people and the junior clubs they are involved with.

I am starting to wonder whether the media is playing with us? We are progressing with TPJ and the media calls out he is not what we need need professionalism. Club stops and pivots to Finucane & then the media calls out that he is too old. It could well be that they are just throwing opinions out & in reality have no idea what the club is doing.

We need to be looking at edge players (2nd row/centre) as I think that is the area where we have the least depth.

Totally agree with everything you said there mate.
Murdoch press man . Bad news sells . It’s been thier modus operende for decades . And the tigers are popular/unpopular. It makes no difference to them . A click is a click .

 

[Don Kershane]

Difficult to know the type of player to target with V'landys butting in with rule changes. The only foreseeable constant is the the need for speed.

Mentally tough ones. Rugby League caters to all types of athletes as long as they’ve got the ticker.

Yes getting enough of them is the hard bit. Bulldogs have Josh Jackson but not many helpers and they can't score a try.

 

[the_third]

Difficult to know the type of player to target with V'landys butting in with rule changes. The only foreseeable constant is the the need for speed.

Mentally tough ones. Rugby League caters to all types of athletes as long as they’ve got the ticker.

should be the #1 recruitment criteria

 

[Cairnstigers]

Rumour that Quentin Tarantino to direct a movie about our recent history called "The Hateful Eight 2". Thankfully not "Nofo Unchained".

I thought it was a Movie about Nofoaluma
"A wing and a prayer"