Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[tony soprano]

Just read in the tele that Eels are in negotiations for Nick Cotric. Lets hope we are too. Would be a big improvement in the centres for us.

wow dogs paid him 600k

Parra always sniffing around for a club that paid overs

Gus says not going anywhere..
https://twitter.com/PhilGould15/status/1441701433464659977?s=19
Bulldog fans: Nik Cotric going nowhere. Rival club made quiet approach a month ago. The offer was never serious consideration. We said no. Nik very happy at Bulldogs. Doesn’t want to leave. Bulldogs do not have cap problem. We have a losing problem, which we will work hard to fix

Wow Gus is so engaging

 

[Needaname]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

I’m guessing that’s coming from one of the board members who wanted Madge gone and is the leak?

Nope, this has not come from a board member. I won't post the name on here.

I guess we’ll just have to hope that both the squad develops and that when they are ready in 24 the next wiz bang coach is available for them to capitalise.

 

[GCfan]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

 

[Deleted member 3518]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?

 

[JC99]

If there's a chance Spencer Leniu is available to sign we should be offering him 3 years at a decent wage ASAP... good player and still so young. He and Stefano together would be a great combo

 

[CCWT]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

I’m guessing that’s coming from one of the board members who wanted Madge gone and is the leak?

Nope, this has not come from a board member. I won't post the name on here.

So Pascoe & Hartigan did a review and decided Madge wasn’t the coach to take the team forward. The board then decided to get in contact with Bennett who said he wasn’t keen (pretty obvious he wants to coach new Brisbane team)
so the board then decided no other available coach was going to be better than Madge so stuck with him?

 

[Needaname]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

Melbourne paid Hoffman , a then 16 year old , 170k to go to their system . Same for Inglis and Folau . That was unheard of , until the sharks paid Karl Filiga 200k , I believe ad a 17 year old. So no , they didn’t sign nobodies , they invested in the right juniors , and they should be commended , but a lot of the time that meant actual dollars for the family not just the systems. Sheesh the roosters just paid that kid from south’s close to a mil , and he hadn t played a game yet of u20s .

The current system is broken, and only benefits the few .

 

[Needaname]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

Melbourne paid Hoffman , a then 16 year old , 170k to go to their system . Same for Inglis and Folau . That was unheard of , until the sharks paid Karl Filiga 200k , I believe ad a 17 year old. So no , they didn’t sign nobodies , they invested in the right juniors , and they should be commended , but a lot of the time that meant actual dollars for the family not just the systems. Sheesh the roosters just paid that kid from south’s close to a mil , and he hadn t played a game yet of u20s .

The current system is broken, and only benefits the few .

If they are signing onto first grade contracts. That is fair game. If they are paying a Ronald Volkman $50k to stick around in the 20s that’s a different story.

Were the above mentioned kids signed onto first grade contracts?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

Melbourne paid Hoffman , a then 16 year old , 170k to go to their system . Same for Inglis and Folau . That was unheard of , until the sharks paid Karl Filiga 200k , I believe ad a 17 year old. So no , they didn’t sign nobodies , they invested in the right juniors , and they should be commended , but a lot of the time that meant actual dollars for the family not just the systems. Sheesh the roosters just paid that kid from south’s close to a mil , and he hadn t played a game yet of u20s .

The current system is broken, and only benefits the few .

If they are signing onto first grade contracts. That is fair game. If they are paying a Ronald Volkman $50k to stick around in the 20s that’s a different story.

Were the above mentioned kids signed onto first grade contracts?

No they weren’t mate . I believe it all came out in the wash of the salary cap scandal .
As for Volkman , what’s to stop uncle Nic taking his dad for a round fo golf and betting the 18th.

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .
Both systems can work , if it means say we become a “ small market team” , because we can’t compete with the roosters , then that’s fine . It would all be out in the open .
The Cloke and dagger bull crap and pretending that the playing field is fair , is killing the NRL IMO.
I personally wouldn’t care if I knew the roosters were paying 13 mil for thier team and we were paying 9.5. I would know , and adjust my expectations accordingly .

 

[Needaname]

You know who the real winners of this GF are?
The Dogs and the Broncos.

Who said we needed a draft?

We do. And the AFL system , still works both with academies and the draft .

The best players nominate themselves , for financial and top 30 reasons . Say a 3 round draft ? That’s 51 players .
The rest remain in their currrent academies , or sign contracts if not taken .
You have protections , like the father son rule to protect legacy names .
And if a team wants to keep their academy player , they trade their draft picks to whoever picks them etc .
If say the next Benji gets picked at 1, and he’s ours , then there’s predetermined trades that allow us to retain our asset, if he’s a generational player. Say 3 years of 1st round picks, obviously forfeiting the right to retain for those 3 years .
Or something of that ilk . It’s complicated , but scratches all backs.
And if a player won’t leave , then the team who retains his rights say , the next Benji , as an example , then we’d have to trade assets to retain etc .
I think you’d find , for most kids , the lure of big dollars , and a guaranteed top 30 contract , plus the prestige of getting picked , would negate any of the “I’m not going “ chat .
Plus don’t pick that player . Pick another one who is willing .
This happens ALLL THE TIME in the MLB draft , which contracts
Predetermined for that draft slot.

No we don’t. Potentially a rookie draft for any player not signed to a dev contract or a top 30 contract.
Penrith have proven that you don’t need to recuit Marquess for success, they are only doing what Melbourne figured out all those years ago in 2002.

Melbourne paid Hoffman , a then 16 year old , 170k to go to their system . Same for Inglis and Folau . That was unheard of , until the sharks paid Karl Filiga 200k , I believe ad a 17 year old. So no , they didn’t sign nobodies , they invested in the right juniors , and they should be commended , but a lot of the time that meant actual dollars for the family not just the systems. Sheesh the roosters just paid that kid from south’s close to a mil , and he hadn t played a game yet of u20s .

The current system is broken, and only benefits the few .

If they are signing onto first grade contracts. That is fair game. If they are paying a Ronald Volkman $50k to stick around in the 20s that’s a different story.

Were the above mentioned kids signed onto first grade contracts?

No they weren’t mate . I believe it all came out in the wash of the salary cap scandal .
As for Volkman , what’s to stop uncle Nic taking his dad for a round fo golf and betting the 18th.

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .
Both systems can work , if it means say we become a “ small market team” , because we can’t compete with the roosters , then that’s fine . It would all be out in the open .
The Cloke and dagger bull crap and pretending that the playing field is fair , is killing the NRL IMO.
I personally wouldn’t care if I knew the roosters were paying 13 mil for thier team and we were paying 9.5. I would know , and adjust my expectations accordingly .

Maybe that’s Pascoes plan. With all the hat sales we can hit the market hard once the NRL decides to remove the salary cap.

 

[TheDaBoss]

@cochise is the leak which wojld make the forum the leak which makes the forum the board

Waytoodank

 

[GCfan]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.


Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?

Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

 

[paper]

Is emailing Pascoe asking about Leniu worth anything? Looked dangerous today

 

[Demps]

If there's a chance Spencer Leniu is available to sign we should be offering him 3 years at a decent wage ASAP... good player and still so young. He and Stefano together would be a great combo

500k seems fair ?

 

[Demps]

Is emailing Pascoe asking about Leniu worth anything? Looked dangerous today

100%

Do it.

 

[WT46]

The reality is, we're going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I'm hearing out of the WT camp I'm not wrong. The club doesn't know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn't get the coach they wanted.

I’m guessing that’s coming from one of the board members who wanted Madge gone and is the leak?

Nope, this has not come from a board member. I won't post the name on here.

So Pascoe & Hartigan did a review and decided Madge wasn’t the coach to take the team forward. The board then decided to get in contact with Bennett who said he wasn’t keen (pretty obvious he wants to coach new Brisbane team)
so the board then decided no other available coach was going to be better than Madge so stuck with him?

Shambles of a club.. embarrassing

 

[WT46]

Is emailing Pascoe asking about Leniu worth anything? Looked dangerous today

Him and Staines for sure

 

[Demps]

Is emailing Pascoe asking about Leniu worth anything? Looked dangerous today

Him and Staines for sure

Staines is a dud.