Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[240z]

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .

The NSWRL introduced a draft in 1991. Some players and coaches challenged it in the courts and the High Court upheld the challenge and the draft was thrown out. It lasted a year.

Fast forward to today. Imagine, say, Easts and other glamour clubs being denied the opportunity to pick the eyes out of the best juniors. How long before Polites challenged it in the courts ?

The only reason a draft works in the AFL is because everybody is prepared to accept it. It wouldn't survive if it were challenged in the courts.

That is not necessarily true, restraints of trade can win court challenges if they can be proven to be fair and reasonable. Examples of arguments for fair and reasonable restraints of trade include that they are important for the viability of the organisation and thus actually protect wages. It is why the salary cap would likely survive a legal challenge. If a sporting organisation could argue that the competition is more viable because of a draft than it could possibly survive a legal challenge.

I guess it’s theoretically possible to design a draft that will survive a court challenge in Australia. Or perhaps it would be better to get everyone’s agreement beforehand not to challenge it in the courts (similar to the AFL).

From time to time the NRL has re-considered a draft, but has not pressed on. I suspect because it sees the challenges which would be difficult, if not impossible, to overcome.

As you say, the viability of the NRL is an important consideration, which the court is obliged to consider. This was raised in the original case. However, the appeal Court found that while the NSWRL was seeking to assist the evenness of the competition, the Court did not accept that the draft was necessary to ensure the financial stability of the clubs.

You also mention that a draft could be approved if demonstrated to be fair and reasonable. But this was the sticking point on appeal. Part of this was the way the draft had been designed, but the fundamental objection for the court was that the draft is contrary to the common law principle that parties should be free to trade as they wish.

Justice Wilcox held that if you are compelling a person to enter into the service of someone they have not chosen, then the justification must be extra-ordinarily compelling for it to be said to be reasonable.

Moreover, Wilcox regarded the proposed internal draft as both anticompetitive and an illegal collective boycott. He said that: “It is difficult to see what policy purpose is achieved by leaving inviolate arrangements under which potential employers agree not to compete amongst themselves ...It is certainly not in the interests of employees.”

I only raised the NSWRL’s attempt to introduce a draft because a number of people keep saying that the NRL should introduce a draft. It is clearly easier said than done.

Good debate and points raised. I think this year the huge gap between the top say 6 teams and the rest has been widely discussed in commentary teams. The fact that the Titans made the finals winning - was it 10 games out of 24, highlights the gulf. If this shows up again next year it is quite possible that a draft or 'other way' of making the game fairer may come into play. I remember another poster mentioning something like a 'points allocation' for each team with players being given ratings. Who knows, but at the moment the salary cap is a farce.

I have been saying this for ages

Sydney Rugby Union uses this approach and if it was adhered to it would work well. Currently the system is being rorted by the top teams

Players are allowed points for being a 1st grade player, a super rugby player, Australian player or Second tier nations player. But if you are junior or played more than 1 season at the club you can get discounts e.g.; for the Tigers
Chris Lawrence played for Australia allocated 10 points but discounts for being a junior and years of service he would cost the club 1 point. Now Cooper Cronk when he went to Easts, played for Australia 10 points, not a junior or never played for the club before he costs the club 10 points. Each club is allocated 100 points for first grade for that day. Simple solution and if managed effectively is a great way to spread talent

 

[nuggetron]

I feel it my bones that somethings cooking that will be ready by the end of next week.
Or then again it could be just my Rheumatoid arthritis!

I remain positive Hartigan and Sheens can work it to attract some really good young players and maybe a capable vet to improve the roster.

Just plain childish, rude and ignorant to not mention the coach, fgs do you not think players and their managers won’t know.
You lost the battle, get over it.

One is GM of Football, the other Coaching Director and both senior to Maguire.

Deal with it.

I don't think anyone other than you @pawsandclaws1 needs to deal with it.

We all get it that you must be shattered that you could be so glaringly and obviously wrong through your prolonged and rubbish posts on here about the demise of Maguire.

But, to try to convince us all about some WT organisational structure that you have invented to ease your embarrassment is, in equal parts, funny and sad.

Paws is right though.

So, you're a "paws" apologist and fanboy. No surprise that you would think he is "right". He, and you, got it horribly wrong on the sacking of Maguire, so good luck with trying to convince us otherwise.

We are all Wests Tigers supporters.
It's time to unite behind coach Sheens and assistant to the coach Maguire.
We are one, but we are many.

Madge: I'm assistant coach!?
Hartigan: No! Assistant to the coach

 

[Telltails]

I feel it my bones that somethings cooking that will be ready by the end of next week.
Or then again it could be just my Rheumatoid arthritis!

I remain positive Hartigan and Sheens can work it to attract some really good young players and maybe a capable vet to improve the roster.

Just plain childish, rude and ignorant to not mention the coach, fgs do you not think players and their managers won’t know.
You lost the battle, get over it.

One is GM of Football, the other Coaching Director and both senior to Maguire.

Deal with it.

I don't think anyone other than you @pawsandclaws1 needs to deal with it.

We all get it that you must be shattered that you could be so glaringly and obviously wrong through your prolonged and rubbish posts on here about the demise of Maguire.

But, to try to convince us all about some WT organisational structure that you have invented to ease your embarrassment is, in equal parts, funny and sad.

Paws is right though.

So, you're a "paws" apologist and fanboy. No surprise that you would think he is "right". He, and you, got it horribly wrong on the sacking of Maguire, so good luck with trying to convince us otherwise.

The problem is this - players aren't coming to the club to play under Hartigan - they're coming to play under Madge. And rightly or wrongly, he's about appealing as a holiday on Venus.

The question I have is then why have Hartigan recruiting players at all. Either they want to play under Maguire or they just want a pay cheque.

Sick of the Hartigan talk. From what I've seen he is just another part of the problem.

His position is just complicating the process

Well officially it's his role to lead those negotiations and identify player talent. In reality though, the players are going to be having a good think about who will be coaching them and Madge's reputation now precedes him unfortunately.

I honestly think that’s a myth. If players are looking for an opportunity or we pay them enough they will come here. It’s more a West’s Tigers reputation than a Madge one IMO

Madge certainly has something to do with it. I asked a mate of mine who is off contract at the end of this year if he'd consider coming to WT and he said not while Maguire is there.

I still say to that - if players don't want to play under made because he makes them train hard - the they are not the players we need at WT

But also think madge has made changes to how him operates over the last few years that doesn't fit the stereotype of him

Is it possible that players don’t want to be coached by Madge not because he trains them too hard but because the view is he can’t improve their game? And it can’t just be about our facilities, manly have equally terrible training facilities and Des just took them to a semi final

Des is just as intense as Maguire and also suffered from the game had past him lack of ideas etc after his stint at the Bulldogs. But Des happens to have a good roster with quality players in key positions - a blend of experienced leadership on the field and youth that is coming through. It makes a difference. Those key p l Ayers don't perform and they struggle despite the coach.

 

[240z]


Hahaha Brooksey the underrated gem!! *

He's just a running five eighth who plays halfback *

He's just a non controlling half unwittingly being made to take control *

He just doesn't have the right forward pack *

He's just a hooker accidentally playing in the halves *

He's the best defensive halfback in the league, didn't you hear?? *

Have you seen his LINE ENGAGEMENT
stats??? *

He's unfairly scapegoated!!! *

Brooks. Is. Not. The. Problem. *









*SIKE

Funny enough but you may have hit on a good idea, play Brooks as hooker
Fast enough, has a decent pass tackling is passable and can kick if really needed. Definitely
better than our other hooker options. If Damien Cook can go from half to hooker ..........

 

[Devon Head]

After not logging in since Friday evening for a very very brief moment I got excited to see about 7 pages of new posts in the Signings and Rumours thread. Shame 6.5 of them are whinging about Madge with a little Brooks bashing thrown in to ice the cake.

 

[Guest]

After not logging in since Friday evening for a very very brief moment I got excited to see about 7 pages of new posts in the Signings and Rumours thread. Shame 6.5 of them are whinging about Madge with a little Brooks bashing thrown in to ice the cake.

Here's the current conversation when Wests talk to player agents.
Wests: We have a 5 year plan for success
Agent: That's nice, call me back in 4 years.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I feel it my bones that somethings cooking that will be ready by the end of next week.
Or then again it could be just my Rheumatoid arthritis!

I remain positive Hartigan and Sheens can work it to attract some really good young players and maybe a capable vet to improve the roster.

Just plain childish, rude and ignorant to not mention the coach, fgs do you not think players and their managers won’t know.
You lost the battle, get over it.

One is GM of Football, the other Coaching Director and both senior to Maguire.

Deal with it.

I don't think anyone other than you @pawsandclaws1 needs to deal with it.

We all get it that you must be shattered that you could be so glaringly and obviously wrong through your prolonged and rubbish posts on here about the demise of Maguire.

But, to try to convince us all about some WT organisational structure that you have invented to ease your embarrassment is, in equal parts, funny and sad.

Paws is right though.

So, you're a "paws" apologist and fanboy. No surprise that you would think he is "right". He, and you, got it horribly wrong on the sacking of Maguire, so good luck with trying to convince us otherwise.

The problem is this - players aren't coming to the club to play under Hartigan - they're coming to play under Madge. And rightly or wrongly, he's about appealing as a holiday on Venus.

The question I have is then why have Hartigan recruiting players at all. Either they want to play under Maguire or they just want a pay cheque.

Sick of the Hartigan talk. From what I've seen he is just another part of the problem.

His position is just complicating the process

Well officially it's his role to lead those negotiations and identify player talent. In reality though, the players are going to be having a good think about who will be coaching them and Madge's reputation now precedes him unfortunately.

I honestly think that’s a myth. If players are looking for an opportunity or we pay them enough they will come here. It’s more a West’s Tigers reputation than a Madge one IMO

Madge certainly has something to do with it. I asked a mate of mine who is off contract at the end of this year if he'd consider coming to WT and he said not while Maguire is there.

I still say to that - if players don't want to play under made because he makes them train hard - the they are not the players we need at WT

But also think madge has made changes to how him operates over the last few years that doesn't fit the stereotype of him

Is it possible that players don’t want to be coached by Madge not because he trains them too hard but because the view is he can’t improve their game? And it can’t just be about our facilities, manly have equally terrible training facilities and Des just took them to a semi final

Des is just as intense as Maguire and also suffered from the game had past him lack of ideas etc after his stint at the Bulldogs. But Des happens to have a good roster with quality players in key positions - a blend of experienced leadership on the field and youth that is coming through. It makes a difference. Those key p l Ayers don't perform and they struggle despite the coach.

They’re the best attacking team in the comp .At the very least he’s figured out how to maximise his generational tallest , and the space provided around him and for him .
He’s definitely figured something out , or maybe , his system only works with elite talent ; and it’s why the dogs fell off a cliff , when their players hit their wall.
It’s not a system to make average players look great , like the storm . Either way , winners are grinners

 

[the road runner]

https://youtu.be/F0pQcK8jVzo Dillon looks very good

THats actually a pretty impressive reel for a change. Hate to say it but runs like Teddy.

Dont see it

Something about the way he lowers his body height as he hits top gear.

Think Ted had more speed at his age.

Don't know about that - Dillon can motor - he's on par with Papenhuyzen for speed.

You reckon?

Absolutely, aside from Jordan Hill who spent most of the season injured, Dillon is the quickest player in the the WT Flegg team.

Going off his highlights I see a bit of Reese Walsh style in him.

I almost think he's a Tedesco/Papenhuyzen hybrid. he looks a very very good prospect. he has the strength, pace and evasion required to return the ball and make things happen off attacking shapes, but I was just as excited by his long balls, even though they need some work. he has all the tools, just needs some refining. wouldn't surprise me if he moves Laurie to 6 or 14 in the next few years.

I see him as our long term fullback and he reminds me more of Papenhuyzen with how he moves - absolutely electric off the mark and not afraid to play through the middle. Covers the 100m in about 11 seconds which is on par with Pap. Jordan Hill is a little quicker and hopefully Hartigan can convince him to stay.

What’s the current status with Hill? Was he signed , signing with Cutters or in talks with them? Is it due to the uncertainty around whether the comp will start up again next year?

WT have been late to the party in re-signing him due to his ACL injury. There's some moves planned to try and keep him as he's not quite locked into going to Mackay just yet.

Is he from Queensland originally? I know he was part of the Holy Cross footy team but do you know how long he has been in our system.

What is the lure to Mackay?

I think @Aubanon has some links to Jordan Hill? Maybe he
Can post to tell us exactly what’s going on with him

Hey Guys;

- Jordan is a local - lives in Putney, went to Gladesville Public and then Holy Cross
- Has a family link to Mackay and as they showed him some love, lined up potential suitable employment and a pathway to Cowboys he signed heads of agreement type doc
- Tigers finally got wind and made direct contact with family
- A meeting was discussed (Yet to be arranged)

Are you confident he stays?

The family just wants to see a proper plan around him development wise - not this 1 year stuff (Even if it has incentive clauses due to ACL concerns). He loves his teammates and the club and wanted to stay loyal.

Honestly - if the tigers pulled their fingers out - I would say 100%. Realistaclly, 50:50 ATM

@willow check this post.

Thanks mate. @Aubanon
Appreciate all your info and keeping us in the loop.
Legend.

All over this Demps, I for one hope the club pulls its finger out, follows through with the meeting and a favourable outcome can be reached. To me it highlights the pitfalls of putting an amateur in charge of junior recruitment.

Who looks after junior recruitment?

And will it change under new model?

Some bloke named Fita Hala, and yes I hope so because this bloke has fallen asleep at the wheel with Jordan Hill.

Googled him.
Not impressed.

Was at the Warriors briefly.

Why do i feel like I could do some of these guys jobs better than them?

Because you are full of yourself, and think you can do everything better than anyone else

 

[Russell]

I feel it my bones that somethings cooking that will be ready by the end of next week.
Or then again it could be just my Rheumatoid arthritis!

I remain positive Hartigan and Sheens can work it to attract some really good young players and maybe a capable vet to improve the roster.

Just plain childish, rude and ignorant to not mention the coach, fgs do you not think players and their managers won’t know.
You lost the battle, get over it.

One is GM of Football, the other Coaching Director and both senior to Maguire.

Deal with it.

I don't think anyone other than you @pawsandclaws1 needs to deal with it.

We all get it that you must be shattered that you could be so glaringly and obviously wrong through your prolonged and rubbish posts on here about the demise of Maguire.

But, to try to convince us all about some WT organisational structure that you have invented to ease your embarrassment is, in equal parts, funny and sad.

Paws is right though.

So, you're a "paws" apologist and fanboy. No surprise that you would think he is "right". He, and you, got it horribly wrong on the sacking of Maguire, so good luck with trying to convince us otherwise.

The problem is this - players aren't coming to the club to play under Hartigan - they're coming to play under Madge. And rightly or wrongly, he's about appealing as a holiday on Venus.

The question I have is then why have Hartigan recruiting players at all. Either they want to play under Maguire or they just want a pay cheque.

Sick of the Hartigan talk. From what I've seen he is just another part of the problem.

His position is just complicating the process

Well officially it's his role to lead those negotiations and identify player talent. In reality though, the players are going to be having a good think about who will be coaching them and Madge's reputation now precedes him unfortunately.

I honestly think that’s a myth. If players are looking for an opportunity or we pay them enough they will come here. It’s more a West’s Tigers reputation than a Madge one IMO

Madge certainly has something to do with it. I asked a mate of mine who is off contract at the end of this year if he'd consider coming to WT and he said not while Maguire is there.

Maybe he is having himself on that we would want him in the first place.

 

[weststigerman]


Hahaha Brooksey the underrated gem!! *

He's just a running five eighth who plays halfback *

He's just a non controlling half unwittingly being made to take control *

He just doesn't have the right forward pack *

He's just a hooker accidentally playing in the halves *

He's the best defensive halfback in the league, didn't you hear?? *

Have you seen his LINE ENGAGEMENT
stats??? *

He's unfairly scapegoated!!! *

Brooks. Is. Not. The. Problem. *









*SIKE


Funny enough but you may have hit on a good idea, play Brooks as hooker
Fast enough, has a decent pass tackling is passable and can kick if really needed. Definitely
better than our other hooker options. If Damien Cook can go from half to hooker ..........

Based on an interview a couple of years ago, I'd say Brooks is strongly against moving to hooker. Then again, if we play him there, he might ask for a release...

 

[GNR4LIFE]


Hahaha Brooksey the underrated gem!! *

He's just a running five eighth who plays halfback *

He's just a non controlling half unwittingly being made to take control *

He just doesn't have the right forward pack *

He's just a hooker accidentally playing in the halves *

He's the best defensive halfback in the league, didn't you hear?? *

Have you seen his LINE ENGAGEMENT
stats??? *

He's unfairly scapegoated!!! *

Brooks. Is. Not. The. Problem. *









*SIKE

Dally M Half-back of the year !!
In 2018 !
When we came 9th !

Man is he great. I LOVE watching Luke Brooks play.

Great. Because you have at least 2 more years of it.

 

[jrtiger]

I feel it my bones that somethings cooking that will be ready by the end of next week.
Or then again it could be just my Rheumatoid arthritis!

I remain positive Hartigan and Sheens can work it to attract some really good young players and maybe a capable vet to improve the roster.

Just plain childish, rude and ignorant to not mention the coach, fgs do you not think players and their managers won’t know.
You lost the battle, get over it.

One is GM of Football, the other Coaching Director and both senior to Maguire.

Deal with it.

I don't think anyone other than you @pawsandclaws1 needs to deal with it.

We all get it that you must be shattered that you could be so glaringly and obviously wrong through your prolonged and rubbish posts on here about the demise of Maguire.

But, to try to convince us all about some WT organisational structure that you have invented to ease your embarrassment is, in equal parts, funny and sad.

Paws is right though.

So, you're a "paws" apologist and fanboy. No surprise that you would think he is "right". He, and you, got it horribly wrong on the sacking of Maguire, so good luck with trying to convince us otherwise.

The problem is this - players aren't coming to the club to play under Hartigan - they're coming to play under Madge. And rightly or wrongly, he's about appealing as a holiday on Venus.

The question I have is then why have Hartigan recruiting players at all. Either they want to play under Maguire or they just want a pay cheque.

Sick of the Hartigan talk. From what I've seen he is just another part of the problem.

His position is just complicating the process

Well officially it's his role to lead those negotiations and identify player talent. In reality though, the players are going to be having a good think about who will be coaching them and Madge's reputation now precedes him unfortunately.

I honestly think that’s a myth. If players are looking for an opportunity or we pay them enough they will come here. It’s more a West’s Tigers reputation than a Madge one IMO

Madge certainly has something to do with it. I asked a mate of mine who is off contract at the end of this year if he'd consider coming to WT and he said not while Maguire is there.

Maybe he is having himself on that we would want him in the first place.

have it your way Russ

 

[Krammy]

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .

The NSWRL introduced a draft in 1991. Some players and coaches challenged it in the courts and the High Court upheld the challenge and the draft was thrown out. It lasted a year.

Fast forward to today. Imagine, say, Easts and other glamour clubs being denied the opportunity to pick the eyes out of the best juniors. How long before Polites challenged it in the courts ?

The only reason a draft works in the AFL is because everybody is prepared to accept it. It wouldn't survive if it were challenged in the courts.

That is not necessarily true, restraints of trade can win court challenges if they can be proven to be fair and reasonable. Examples of arguments for fair and reasonable restraints of trade include that they are important for the viability of the organisation and thus actually protect wages. It is why the salary cap would likely survive a legal challenge. If a sporting organisation could argue that the competition is more viable because of a draft than it could possibly survive a legal challenge.

I guess it’s theoretically possible to design a draft that will survive a court challenge in Australia. Or perhaps it would be better to get everyone’s agreement beforehand not to challenge it in the courts (similar to the AFL).

From time to time the NRL has re-considered a draft, but has not pressed on. I suspect because it sees the challenges which would be difficult, if not impossible, to overcome.

As you say, the viability of the NRL is an important consideration, which the court is obliged to consider. This was raised in the original case. However, the appeal Court found that while the NSWRL was seeking to assist the evenness of the competition, the Court did not accept that the draft was necessary to ensure the financial stability of the clubs.

You also mention that a draft could be approved if demonstrated to be fair and reasonable. But this was the sticking point on appeal. Part of this was the way the draft had been designed, but the fundamental objection for the court was that the draft is contrary to the common law principle that parties should be free to trade as they wish.

Justice Wilcox held that if you are compelling a person to enter into the service of someone they have not chosen, then the justification must be extra-ordinarily compelling for it to be said to be reasonable.

Moreover, Wilcox regarded the proposed internal draft as both anticompetitive and an illegal collective boycott. He said that: “It is difficult to see what policy purpose is achieved by leaving inviolate arrangements under which potential employers agree not to compete amongst themselves ...It is certainly not in the interests of employees.”

I only raised the NSWRL’s attempt to introduce a draft because a number of people keep saying that the NRL should introduce a draft. It is clearly easier said than done.

Good debate and points raised. I think this year the huge gap between the top say 6 teams and the rest has been widely discussed in commentary teams. The fact that the Titans made the finals winning - was it 10 games out of 24, highlights the gulf. If this shows up again next year it is quite possible that a draft or 'other way' of making the game fairer may come into play. I remember another poster mentioning something like a 'points allocation' for each team with players being given ratings. Who knows, but at the moment the salary cap is a farce.


I have been saying this for ages

Sydney Rugby Union uses this approach and if it was adhered to it would work well. Currently the system is being rorted by the top teams

Players are allowed points for being a 1st grade player, a super rugby player, Australian player or Second tier nations player. But if you are junior or played more than 1 season at the club you can get discounts e.g.; for the Tigers
Chris Lawrence played for Australia allocated 10 points but discounts for being a junior and years of service he would cost the club 1 point. Now Cooper Cronk when he went to Easts, played for Australia 10 points, not a junior or never played for the club before he costs the club 10 points. Each club is allocated 100 points for first grade for that day. Simple solution and if managed effectively is a great way to spread talent

it sounds a useful idea. How was it being rorted by the top teams?

 

[Aceshigh]

So the mate who is off contract at the end of the year would rather sit out or play koe cup or wotever to avoid playing under Madge 😂😂, he is def not the kind of player that we need here

 

[Rowdy12]

The most frustrating thing around a guy like Jordan Hill is that he is big, fast, athletic and already one of ours. Literally the prototype for the modern day winger. Honestly we put all this time and effort into a bloke like Alan Fitzgibbon who could barely tackle or catch, already had off field issues and then got sacked from the club, yet by the sounds of it we’re barely putting up a fight to keep the one already on our books.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

I’ve said this before , but we are one of the only elite competitions in the world , without a draft to go with the salary cap . Either don’t have a salary cap , and have all salaries public knowledge , or have a draft to help with the cap .

The NSWRL introduced a draft in 1991. Some players and coaches challenged it in the courts and the High Court upheld the challenge and the draft was thrown out. It lasted a year.

Fast forward to today. Imagine, say, Easts and other glamour clubs being denied the opportunity to pick the eyes out of the best juniors. How long before Polites challenged it in the courts ?

The only reason a draft works in the AFL is because everybody is prepared to accept it. It wouldn't survive if it were challenged in the courts.

That is not necessarily true, restraints of trade can win court challenges if they can be proven to be fair and reasonable. Examples of arguments for fair and reasonable restraints of trade include that they are important for the viability of the organisation and thus actually protect wages. It is why the salary cap would likely survive a legal challenge. If a sporting organisation could argue that the competition is more viable because of a draft than it could possibly survive a legal challenge.

I guess it’s theoretically possible to design a draft that will survive a court challenge in Australia. Or perhaps it would be better to get everyone’s agreement beforehand not to challenge it in the courts (similar to the AFL).

From time to time the NRL has re-considered a draft, but has not pressed on. I suspect because it sees the challenges which would be difficult, if not impossible, to overcome.

As you say, the viability of the NRL is an important consideration, which the court is obliged to consider. This was raised in the original case. However, the appeal Court found that while the NSWRL was seeking to assist the evenness of the competition, the Court did not accept that the draft was necessary to ensure the financial stability of the clubs.

You also mention that a draft could be approved if demonstrated to be fair and reasonable. But this was the sticking point on appeal. Part of this was the way the draft had been designed, but the fundamental objection for the court was that the draft is contrary to the common law principle that parties should be free to trade as they wish.

Justice Wilcox held that if you are compelling a person to enter into the service of someone they have not chosen, then the justification must be extra-ordinarily compelling for it to be said to be reasonable.

Moreover, Wilcox regarded the proposed internal draft as both anticompetitive and an illegal collective boycott. He said that: “It is difficult to see what policy purpose is achieved by leaving inviolate arrangements under which potential employers agree not to compete amongst themselves ...It is certainly not in the interests of employees.”

I only raised the NSWRL’s attempt to introduce a draft because a number of people keep saying that the NRL should introduce a draft. It is clearly easier said than done.

Good debate and points raised. I think this year the huge gap between the top say 6 teams and the rest has been widely discussed in commentary teams. The fact that the Titans made the finals winning - was it 10 games out of 24, highlights the gulf. If this shows up again next year it is quite possible that a draft or 'other way' of making the game fairer may come into play. I remember another poster mentioning something like a 'points allocation' for each team with players being given ratings. Who knows, but at the moment the salary cap is a farce.


I have been saying this for ages

Sydney Rugby Union uses this approach and if it was adhered to it would work well. Currently the system is being rorted by the top teams

Players are allowed points for being a 1st grade player, a super rugby player, Australian player or Second tier nations player. But if you are junior or played more than 1 season at the club you can get discounts e.g.; for the Tigers
Chris Lawrence played for Australia allocated 10 points but discounts for being a junior and years of service he would cost the club 1 point. Now Cooper Cronk when he went to Easts, played for Australia 10 points, not a junior or never played for the club before he costs the club 10 points. Each club is allocated 100 points for first grade for that day. Simple solution and if managed effectively is a great way to spread talent

I don’t mind this but really if the NRL is serious about growing the game and having the teams compete not just on the field, a range of changes need to take place.

The players that have come through your junior system from a certain age should be exempt from the salary cap. If this was the case we could have paid Tedesco what he was after and then if he decided to leave it would be for his own preference, more likely dollars. At the same time, there should be a transfer fee for purchasing players that are juniors from other clubs.

The motive then becomes for clubs to develop their junior systems and the game continues to grow. Eg. Manly now target the Blacktown area

 

[Needaname]

I feel it my bones that somethings cooking that will be ready by the end of next week.
Or then again it could be just my Rheumatoid arthritis!

I remain positive Hartigan and Sheens can work it to attract some really good young players and maybe a capable vet to improve the roster.

Just plain childish, rude and ignorant to not mention the coach, fgs do you not think players and their managers won’t know.
You lost the battle, get over it.

One is GM of Football, the other Coaching Director and both senior to Maguire.

Deal with it.

I don't think anyone other than you @pawsandclaws1 needs to deal with it.

We all get it that you must be shattered that you could be so glaringly and obviously wrong through your prolonged and rubbish posts on here about the demise of Maguire.

But, to try to convince us all about some WT organisational structure that you have invented to ease your embarrassment is, in equal parts, funny and sad.

Paws is right though.

So, you're a "paws" apologist and fanboy. No surprise that you would think he is "right". He, and you, got it horribly wrong on the sacking of Maguire, so good luck with trying to convince us otherwise.

We are all Wests Tigers supporters.
It's time to unite behind coach Sheens and assistant to the coach Maguire.
We are one, but we are many.

Madge: I'm assistant coach!?
Hartigan: No! Assistant to the coach

Office

 

[jrtiger]

So the mate who is off contract at the end of the year would rather sit out or play koe cup or wotever to avoid playing under Madge 😂😂, he is def not the kind of player that we need here

I never said he hasn't got a contract for next year. I spoke to him at the time that he was off contract earlier this year.

 

[avocadoontoast]

So the mate who is off contract at the end of the year would rather sit out or play koe cup or wotever to avoid playing under Madge ??, he is def not the kind of player that we need here

I never said he hasn't got a contract for next year. I spoke to him at the time that he was off contract earlier this year.

Don't worry mate, I believe you. A player could go on national television and say "I do not want to play for Michael Maguire" and people on here would say he was lying.

 

[frullens]

I feel it my bones that somethings cooking that will be ready by the end of next week.
Or then again it could be just my Rheumatoid arthritis!

I remain positive Hartigan and Sheens can work it to attract some really good young players and maybe a capable vet to improve the roster.

Just plain childish, rude and ignorant to not mention the coach, fgs do you not think players and their managers won’t know.
You lost the battle, get over it.

One is GM of Football, the other Coaching Director and both senior to Maguire.

Deal with it.

I don't think anyone other than you @pawsandclaws1 needs to deal with it.

We all get it that you must be shattered that you could be so glaringly and obviously wrong through your prolonged and rubbish posts on here about the demise of Maguire.

But, to try to convince us all about some WT organisational structure that you have invented to ease your embarrassment is, in equal parts, funny and sad.

Paws is right though.

So, you're a "paws" apologist and fanboy. No surprise that you would think he is "right". He, and you, got it horribly wrong on the sacking of Maguire, so good luck with trying to convince us otherwise.

The problem is this - players aren't coming to the club to play under Hartigan - they're coming to play under Madge. And rightly or wrongly, he's about appealing as a holiday on Venus.

The question I have is then why have Hartigan recruiting players at all. Either they want to play under Maguire or they just want a pay cheque.

Sick of the Hartigan talk. From what I've seen he is just another part of the problem.

His position is just complicating the process

Well officially it's his role to lead those negotiations and identify player talent. In reality though, the players are going to be having a good think about who will be coaching them and Madge's reputation now precedes him unfortunately.

I honestly think that’s a myth. If players are looking for an opportunity or we pay them enough they will come here. It’s more a West’s Tigers reputation than a Madge one IMO

Madge certainly has something to do with it. I asked a mate of mine who is off contract at the end of this year if he'd consider coming to WT and he said not while Maguire is there.

I still say to that - if players don't want to play under made because he makes them train hard - the they are not the players we need at WT

But also think madge has made changes to how him operates over the last few years that doesn't fit the stereotype of him

Is it possible that players don’t want to be coached by Madge not because he trains them too hard but because the view is he can’t improve their game? And it can’t just be about our facilities, manly have equally terrible training facilities and Des just took them to a semi final

Both the Ute & Matterson went from reserve grade to NSW squad in 1 year under madge. Grant went from reserve grade to QLD starter under 1 year of madge and gives him a lot of credit for improving his game.

Players that have bought into madge have improved such as Seyfarth, Laurie & Blore, etc