Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[happy_tiger]

Im continually confused how people believe that Simpkins' performance was better than Liddles this year. Liddle may not have been great but Simpkin was way out of his depth.

Its just, Liddle lacks in the main fundamental of a hooker, passing. Its atrocious. So the frustration over the season builds up, otherwise I don't see much of an issue in his game, but this one issue, is pretty damning.

Didn’t Luciano Leilua got into a push and shove with Liddle last offseason because of his service from dummy half?

Correct, seemingly it was justified

And there were games that Liddle’s service from dummy half was horrible he can run but his passing is average while Simpkin at this stage can pass the ball better but not as effective at running yet but honestly if I had to pick one of them two I’m going with Simpkin

Liddle has no kicking game either which is really important from 9 these days

A lot of 9 don't have decent kicking games

Go through all the 9 at NRL clubs ..many can't kick

 

[happy_tiger]

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/dragons-young-gun-revealed-as-dolphins-first-playmaker-target/ar-AAQE8VZ?ocid=ientp

 

[loklok]

Sheens second week in Australia starts tomorrow. Will there be news this week? At least an upgrade to Stef or laurie would b a start

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Sheens second week in Australia starts tomorrow. Will there be news this week? At least an upgrade to Stef or laurie would b a start

Hodgson will get sorted one way or another early next week.

 

[Nelson]

Cust off to Wigan

Would you have taken Cust over Hastings

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/news/tough-sea-eagles-half-granted-release-to-join-new-club/ar-AAQDNNS?ocid=ientp

No, but I would have been happy to have Cust as depth. Maybe try him out as a centre in reggies because I think he’d be rock solid there. Good footy brain and fast enough.

 

[upthetigers]

Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

 

[clontarfkid]

Lot of moving parts with Hodgson recruitment..
We wish to pay only $500k for a player Raiders have on their books for $900k,plus we'd like them to take Liddle for full ask of $300k
On top of that,Raiders are awaiting the january outcome of their court case for their sole alternative at 9...
As each month goes by,the maths get friendlier for WTs as Hodgson is being paid $75k monthly by Raiders from Nov1,whereas we we pay Liddle $24k or so...

If you don't mind, could you please post Tigers official word that they want to Canberra to take Liddle for full freight or that they want Canberra to take him at all. Has Liddle agreed to terminate his 2 year contract with the Tigers? Has Liddle agreed that he wants to leave and go to Canberra?

Sounds like it is made up to me.

Everything is made up Russell..maybe including you???
None of us actually know anything of course,except the logical course of action that awaits us with simple logic played out
Bewildering??Me too!!

 

[Littlebittipsy]

Sheens second week in Australia starts tomorrow. Will there be news this week? At least an upgrade to Stef or laurie would b a start

Hodgson will get sorted one way or another early next week.

Did you get some mail on that?

 

[Tiger5150]

Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Genuine third party agreements (separate from the club) are already unrestricted, and rightly so.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Sheens second week in Australia starts tomorrow. Will there be news this week? At least an upgrade to Stef or laurie would b a start

Hodgson will get sorted one way or another early next week.

Did you get some mail on that?

@THE_POM Posted about it a couple of days ago

 

[cochise]

Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

 

[hsvjones]

Sheens second week in Australia starts tomorrow. Will there be news this week? At least an upgrade to Stef or laurie would b a start

Yes I am surprised we have not atleast extended Stefo or Laurie by now... Cannot afford to lose guys like this when your whole structure of rebuilding this club is based on youth.. I understand they have 2 years left and not available to others but you can bet your last dollar they are talking to Stefo and the guys in SOO camp will be in his ear.
Every day the WestsTigers get me excited when they advise yet another signing but its always corp partners signings.. We need the marketing sales team to close deals for us as the actual recruitment team are sh#t house at it. :grin: :grin:

 

[upthetigers]

Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

 

[Geo]

Wait a second our halves and pack received terrible service from dummy half..

 

[diedpretty]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

I see no reason why it couldn’t work, but it won’t happen because the people with the power ($) don’t want it.

I don't think it would work, too many variables.


I submitted a paper (upgrades to the current 100 point system) to the Sydney Rugby Union on this a few months ago. I agree it is terribly difficult and will never work unless it is administered appropriately. For fun I used the same method on the Tigers and the Roosters. Very interesting results

What would you base your point allocations on?


Did they play junior football for the club - reduces points
Did they play 1st grade for another club - increases points
Did they play their first grade game at another club - small points increase
Did they play State of Origin - increases points
Did they play for Australia or another tier 1 country - increases points
Did they play play for a 2nd Tier country - increases points
How many games/years have they played for the club - gradually reduces points
Did father or siblings play for the club - reduces points
A marquee allowance for 1-2 players - reduces points
Did they come from another senior sport (rugby/atletics etc) - no point increase
There were others but I can't remember off the top of my head

Thats a few starting ideas - I know there are many issues with this but it was just an attempt to find a workable solution

When I did the comparison between the Tigers and Rooster, the Roosters points were @ double of the Tigers

I like the idea of a points system - when you say the rorters doubled the tigers points what was your starting point. For example what is the baseline points per player. Do you start at a given points number for all players then add and subtract points according to all your examples above. How many points would each team be allowed - would it just be the baseline times 30 or would that be too low/high.
Another tweak could be that teams that finish in the bottom 4 each year get additional points for the next season.


Hey Diedpretty - Yes the last point was part of my submission the bottom 4 had more points. I started off with 2 points as a basis for each player, then 5 points for SOO and 10 points for International, 4 points for tier 2 internationals, 3 points for 1st grade imports, 1 point reduction for every year a player has been with the team. Min points is 2 points. A SOO and International would only get the the highest points (SOO would be 0 if they played for Australia). Marquee would only attract 1/2 the allotted points. Father Son or sibling scenarios would the same as a base player 2 points.

Off the top of my head I think that is how is did it

**BTW Died Pretty was one of my all time fave bands**

they still do a few shows now and then. Ron Peno and the Superstitions are doing a tour early next year

 

[happy_tiger]

Wait a second our halves and pack received terrible service from dummy half..

And from their internet provider as well ......

 

[tony soprano]

Reported in the Telecrap today that Oliver Gildart was spotted in Cronulla for a catch up and a feed of fish and chips with Luke Thompson may be WT'S are still a chance of snaring Thompson??????

Their good mates

 

[Harvey]

Surely there is an aged, past it front rower that can be chased?

With Tamou, Hodgson & this signing we could look at winning a seniors comp.

God our recruitment is terrible

 

[Balmainian]

Im continually confused how people believe that Simpkins' performance was better than Liddles this year. Liddle may not have been great but Simpkin was way out of his depth.

Its just, Liddle lacks in the main fundamental of a hooker, passing. Its atrocious. So the frustration over the season builds up, otherwise I don't see much of an issue in his game, but this one issue, is pretty damning.

Didn’t Luciano Leilua got into a push and shove with Liddle last offseason because of his service from dummy half?

Correct, seemingly it was justified

And there were games that Liddle’s service from dummy half was horrible he can run but his passing is average while Simpkin at this stage can pass the ball better but not as effective at running yet but honestly if I had to pick one of them two I’m going with Simpkin

Liddle has no kicking game either which is really important from 9 these days

A lot of 9 don't have decent kicking games

Go through all the 9 at NRL clubs ..many can't kick

The best hookers have an all round repertoire of talent including kicking, service, the draw an pass and defense, anything less and your behind schedule.
The Hodgson deal would be very valuable at this point in time in our development of the 9s we have coming through.
There will never be a player everyone on this forum agrees with signing, even if we landed The Cheese there would be a hater.

 

[240z]

Rather than trying to assign points to players I think it would be pretty easy to fix the cap:

all contracts public
hard cap on TPAs (eg $2m)
better system of cap relief for juniors/veterans

With regards to the above suggestions. I massively agree with better system of rewarding clubs for developing and retaining players. However, whilst I agree about making contracts public like the US sports the Players Association have said publicly that they'll never allow it as they will claim it breaches privacy, just like capping TPD's will be disputed as restriction of trade

I don't believe in restricting TPAs

Why? The salary cap wouldn't mean a thing if you didn't restrict TPAs.

Because I don't believe in limiting what players can earn away from the game.

So you want it to be like the EPL where the richest clubs will always dominate the competition? I believe in an even playing field.

Well Salary Caps and TPAs are not providing that at the present time.

There is no way player payments can be controlled from clubs or 3rd pay entities. Who knows, players could be receiving payments or gratuities 20 years from now, they could have trusts setup or off shore accounts - who knows

At present there are NO even playing fields