Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

The dogs haven't done anything yet. Havent made the finals in 6 years, only saved from two consecutive spoons by f/a over the worst Broncos side ever.

Made a whole number of bad purchases in their first rebuild attempt that have cost them big money - Allan, Cotric, Flanagan, Hetherington, Okunbor, Stimson, DWZ, Dufty, Thompson, TPJ, Naden, Trent Barrett. That's a lot of misfires in just 2 seasons.

Maybe they'll end up ok, but I've seen this approach all before from old Wests Tigers teams. Where are the local juniors, the valued-priced players that come through and build the side? Kiraz might be the only one? Schoupp already left. Averillo is passable.

So rather than crowing and carrying on the Dogs fans should just keep their heads down and mouths shut until they convert any of their big spending into anything like success. Dogs only won 7 games last season, lost 17; not even remotely competitive.
I remember the dogs under Dessie and Ralene Castle... heaps of crazy back ended salaries... took ages to recover from that.
How Castle got the top job for Wallibies I have no idea... she did her best to run them into the ground as well.
 
Why are tigers and Bulldogs fans looking at each other? Neither of our clubs are doing anything next year. Aren't there better clubs to look at for comparison? Recently sharks have turned club around. Cowboys too. How did they do it? How can we do similar? Our focus on the Bulldogs is weird, they're nothing. Even if they buy their way into the 8 it doesn't look sustainable: just look at Newcastle and gold coast.

That's not knocking the Bulldogs, it's just we seem to focus on them more than anyone else and even if we're considering teams in similar position to us, the dragons are a much more comperable club in terms of the club's standing as a second rate out of fashion club with a focus on junior talent and rejects from other clubs.

Anyway...
 
Got nothing against the dogs, I like their team and structure if we’re being real we all really wanted Ciraldo and then we didn’t get him now we’re all pretending like we dodged a bullet - let’s call a spade a spade he rejected us and they outplayed us there

However from a recruitment perspective, I think we’re both equally on the rise and I prefer us two Western Sydney teams battling it out instead of Parra and Penrith as our fanbases are as passionate as anyone’s and have been battling a lot recently

Roster wise in terms of fit around Moses I’d argue we’re better more so as it’ll all be played through Moses (as a half this is what you want, full control over the attack with a good running 6) and playing in the halves with his best mate (someone he knows very well) compare that to Papalili and his combo this year that took them to the GF, also understanding what Api did for Cleary/NSW and the space it’ll create for him too with new forwards coming in like Bateman, Klemmer and potentially Nathan Brown and that’s just what we’re bringing in let alone our squad as it is already - whereas at the dogs it’ll be shared between both him and Burton (both very ball dominant) with a 9 who’s coming off a pretty poor year too

Coaching wise I reckon Moses would prefer to play under his childhood hero in Benji knowing how close the pair are with Sheens there too.... as both Benji and Ciraldo are unproven

Financially I also believe we’ll offer more, people keep talking about dogs TPA’s but I’ve been told the club are also inserting some pretty hefty TPA’s too which triumph the dogs offer - also factoring in how Moses right now is our priority while Dogs are still trying to retain Burton and also trying to actively nab Crichton with FB money

It’ll be tight as there’s pros and cons for both teams - I hope he comes here but Dogs are a threat much like we are to them.... hopefully Shifty Sheens gets 1-1 with Gould
 
Why are tigers and Bulldogs fans looking at each other? Neither of our clubs are doing anything next year. Aren't there better clubs to look at for comparison? Recently sharks have turned club around. Cowboys too. How did they do it? How can we do similar? Our focus on the Bulldogs is weird, they're nothing. Even if they buy their way into the 8 it doesn't look sustainable: just look at Newcastle and gold coast.

That's not knocking the Bulldogs, it's just we seem to focus on them more than anyone else and even if we're considering teams in similar position to us, the dragons are a much more comperable club in terms of the club's standing as a second rate out of fashion club with a focus on junior talent and rejects from other clubs.

Anyway...

I feel the Dogs fans have come after us for some reason, I have no idea why. I’m seeing it a lot on social media, seemingly unprovoked. Like I said previously they are overly cocky for a club that finished below us 5 of the past 6 years.
 
New 3rd party deal from the Eels?

Should add, looks like a great family car!
If it's a 3rd party deal it should have nothing to do with the slimy eels, it should be independent of any club and is attached to the player not the club.

Mitch could quite easily drive it right on over to Concord, or Belmore for that matter.

Would love to see those slimy eels squirm if that happened.
 
No offence mate but your confidence level appears permanently stuck at 5%.
None taken...
I am extremely confident we are heading up and will be in the top 8 come 2024 and think the club has done an outstanding job with this off season recruitment.
IF we were to pull off the Moses deal fore either 23 or 24 that would be icing on the cake but I just go off past history when Gus is involved and thats why I'm not confident.. Regardless of what others say I also believe we are in a far better position then the dogs even though we got the spoon..
 
Disagree CCat.

Nofoaluma was one of the only marketable players atbthe time he resigned.

AD is recognised by commentators etc as one of our best players. A hard worker and apparently loyal. I don't blame him for looking across at others on bigger salaries and asking for an upgrade.
Well then you agree with my heckler. 😉

But yes Nofo was one of only a few Marketable tigers at the time. I don't think people will disagree, as a winger:
He crosses the line (4 times in international football in one game).
His defence sucks.

I wanted us to re-sign him (resign and re-sign why on earth are they so similar?), then I saw the 500k for 5 year price tag. 🙁

That's all my point is. I think Nofo is a great try scorer yet I recognise the liability he is in defence and we have not been able to coach it out or make up for this weakness.
We should not sign a player like that for 5 years at top coin!!

Is he one of our "good" players? Mixed bag... Marketable for sure, risky for sure. Asking for 500k for 5 years when your a defensive hole for your team is highly arrogant and we would be well within our rights to turf him.



AD, I take your point. He has worked hard and when 2022 was a disappointment he disappointed less then some. Still look at what he is asking. A boost from 500 -> 550 or 600 would be reasonable. A boost too 800-900k when your playing like he is, Total joke. We can't pay overs for unders.
 
Well then you agree with my heckler. 😉

But yes Nofo was one of only a few Marketable tigers at the time. I don't think people will disagree, as a winger:
He crosses the line (4 times in international football in one game).
His defence sucks.

I wanted us to re-sign him (resign and re-sign why on earth are they so similar?), then I saw the 500k for 5 year price tag. 🙁

That's all my point is. I think Nofo is a great try scorer yet I recognise the liability he is in defence and we have not been able to coach it out or make up for this weakness.
We should not sign a player like that for 5 years at top coin!!

Is he one of our "good" players? Mixed bag... Marketable for sure, risky for sure. Asking for 500k for 5 years when your a defensive hole for your team is highly arrogant and we would be well within our rights to turf him.



AD, I take your point. He has worked hard and when 2022 was a disappointment he disappointed less then some. Still look at what he is asking. A boost from 500 -> 550 or 600 would be reasonable. A boost too 800-900k when your playing like he is, Total joke. We can't pay overs for unders.
I hope Nofo gets released. He’s shit
 

‘Masterstroke’ that has Tigers ‘100 per cent’ back on track after years of ‘bitter disappointment’​

Darcie McDonald from Fox Sports
December 9th, 2022

The Wests Tigers’ last two seasons have been nothing short of awful — but could the embattled club finally be heading in the right direction?
Balmain legend Steve ‘Blocker’ Roach believes “100 per cent” they are thanks to a “masterstroke” that has the club making more moves than it has in years.
A 13th place finish in 2021 sparked an internal reviewb that was meant to put a stop to the mediocre results before it was too late.
But eight months later Michael Maguire was sacked as head coach and the Tigers went on to claim their first wooden spoon — and extend the NRL’s longest finals drought.

Their pursuit of up-and-coming coach Cameron Ciraldo fell flat, star recruit Isaiah Papali’i had second thoughts about honouring his deal and Api Koroisau publicly bagged the club.

It’s been a rough year — no doubt about it. In fact Roach, who played 185 games for the Balmain Tigers, summed up the season to foxsports.com.au as “bitterly disappointing.”
But he believes it took hitting the lowest of lows to spark action at a club that’s been coasting along for way too long, declaring: “The best thing for us now is that the only way is up.”

ROCK BOTTOM
When asked if he’d call 2022 rock bottom for the Tigers, Roach said: “Yeah I would.”
Besides some up-and-coming players getting an opportunity in first grade and the development of a shiny new Centre of Excellence, there wasn’t much to like about the year.

The Tigers started the season with five straight losses and lost 12 of their final 13 games to finish it.
The results were too much for even the most rusted on fan to endure.
“All I want to do every week is when they come off the field say ‘we were beaten by a better team but we tried hard’,” Roach said.
“I found myself turning the game off at times, I’d watch the first 20 minutes and then turn it off.”
He’s not alone either. In the final game of the season, Tigers fans left Leichhardt Oval early when the Raiders shot out to a 42-nil lead at half time. And those that stayed booed the players off as they headed to the sheds.
The sad part is though, that may have not even been the darkest moment of the season.
Two weeks earlier the Tigers suffered their biggest loss in history — and the 72-6 scoreline saw things turn ugly on the other side of the fence too with a fan abusing Adam Doueihi.
That same game, captain James Tamou was sent off for calling referee Ben Cummins “f***ing incompetent.”
It was a baptism of fire for Brett Kimmorley, who stepped in after Maguire was axed so quickly it’s hard to fathom how long he actually lasted on the chopping block.

MADGE’S FALL
No coach has had to endure more external pressure than Maguire.
His last 18 months at the helm were particularly tough with a new report emerging every week claiming he was set to be sacked.
The heat was really turned up when the Tigers finished 2021 on the most sour note possible — a 38-nil loss to wooden spooners, the Bulldogs.
It sparked an internal review of the football department over the off-season in which Maguire’s future would be discussed.
It was assumed that he had coached his last game for the Tigers, but to the surprise of many, he was spared the axe.
However his support stuff weren’t so lucky with assistant coaches Wayne Collins and Shane Millard replaced by Nathan Cayless and Ben Gardiner, while football manager Adam Hartigan was also shown the door.
The club did not make their findings public but The Sydney Morning Herald reported the six key things to come out of it were: confusion around the defensive structure; an inconsistent attacking structure and too many team changes; Maguire shouldering too much of the coaching load; the club’s struggle to attract star recruits and the need for a much stronger culture.

Landing Koroisau’s signature in the off-season and a solid effort against the Storm in Round 1, 2022 had fans thinking maybe the review was just what the doctor ordered.
But reality set back in and by Round 5 the Tigers were sitting at the bottom of the ladder as the only team yet to win a game.
The pressure was mounting once again and so Maguire was forced to take action. He did something that the review deemed a big no-no — make team changes.
Struggling playmaker Luke Brooks was shifted to five-eighth to allow Jackson Hastings to run the ship in the No.7 jersey and it worked a treat as the Tigers secured back-to-back wins over the Eels and Rabbitohs.
It seemed to be a masterstroke — until the Tigers slipped back into bad habits.
They won just one of their next five games and suffered a second-half capitulation against the Rabbitohs in Round 12, letting the opposition run in six tries in the final 40 minutes to win 44-18.

Maguire, as he always did, remained positive in the post-game press conference, saying there were some “really good patches” from his team.
He was asked about heading into the bye with nine losses and three wins, to which he said: “We’ll turn things around.”
But the Tigers didn’t turn things around and there was no more ‘we’ because that was Maguire’s last game as head coach.
Head of football Sheens conducted a mid-season review — and the comments from Tigers chair Lee Hagipantelis in an interview with SEN was an eerie indication of what was to come.
“As of today May 31, 2022, Michael Maguire is the contracted head coach for the Wests Tigers and there is nothing before me to indicate that is going to change,” he said.

“But will I guarantee anyone’s employment whether it be the head coach or the head of commercial or the CEO’s role? No I will not give that guarantee and I’ve said that before because the issuing of guarantees has certain legal ramifications.”
Maguire was sacked seven days later.

BACK TO THE FUTURE
Cameron Ciraldo was the Tigers’ first choice replacement but after missing out on him, the club had to turn to Plan B.
Sheens will coach in seasons 2023 and 2024 with club legends Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah as assistants. He will then hand the reins over to Marshall full time for 2025 and beyond.

Sheens — who took the club to its maiden premiership in 2005 — rejoined the Tigers last year as head of football.
He’s had his fingerprints over everything since then and is the reason why the club is beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel, according to Roach.


“I think it was a masterstroke bringing Tim Sheens back because we’ve seen some movement,” he said.
“Finally as a fan I’m starting to see movement that I haven’t seen for near on a decade. In Tim we trust because he’s finally getting some things moving there.”
Besides turning around on-field results, Sheens will also need to prepare Marshall for the toughest gig in rugby league.
The Tigers are taking a huge gamble on Marshall given Ciraldo and Craig Fitzgibbon’s apprenticeships were close to 10 years, but Roach believes it’ll be worth it — especially when it comes to recruitment.
“I think Benji will most certainly attract players,” he said.
“Benji’s got that x-factor about him, he’s got that appeal and he had that as a player. I think he’s got that aura about him where people believe.”
“I think Benji will get the best out of ‘Brooksy’ too,” Roach added.
“A lot of people have tried to make Brooksy the overall organiser of the team where he’s not that type of player — they’ve got it wrong when they use him like that.
“He just needs to run the ball and do what he’s good at — he’s a good player.”
 

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