Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[crazycat]

Madge was not crap, he just could not get the players he wanted. Madge was a decent coach , however players basically did not come to the Tigers, and I suppose a lot of that came from the Taylor era. Jason Taylor and Terry Lamb, they are not coaches, those two were disasters, you would swear that they must of been employed by someone else, not by Wests Tigers. Those two disasters had the cattle , game plans seen non existent, players out of position, team selection was a big problem and they just lost a lot of talented players from all grades.

Do not conflate Terry Lamb and Jason Taylor.
Terry is a lot like Benji Marshall in that he changed the way people attack in Rugby league.
Good guy, grub player who punched out Benny Elias.
He got booted from coaching for allowing an unallowable practice.

Jason Taylor was a play by my formula coach with the people skills of a wet fish.

Lamb, from all my memories was actually doing ok till John H. Yes Taylor was doing a lot of what you were saying. I can't imagine two coaches more different.

 

[the_third]

I have to say that some of you guys are just too much.. Seriously, damaged goods. So much baggage.. I mean it’s gotta be the most positive and promising time for the club in, I don’t know how long. And some of you just refuse to enjoy it for what it is.?

It’s like, I want to cheer, but I’m resentful?
Tim’s doing well, but I still hate him for 2012?
I wonder what Madge is doing now 🤔✊
Are we really a chance,. no don’t do that you know how it always ends 😖😩

I don’t even want to think about what it’ll do to some of you if Brooks succeeds behind this pack.? …Jesus 🤦‍♂️
Anyway I guess I’m glad I don’t get it and I can just enjoy this moment.

Up the Mighty’s 🐯
I’m out ✌️

Spot on about the most positive time in the club. Can't wait for next season, will know by the first bye Howe we will go - hopefully winning a few.

The only point ill make on brooks is if he is such a good half why are we looking at paying Moses a massive amount of coin to play half for us. That's sheens's decision. He sees brooks as a running half (5/8) and not in the role we play him currently.

What will be really interesting is what happens if/when Moses says no. He's said there is a plan B. Is that brooks at half? Chasing Williams?

 

[gregjm87]

Sorry Junior but I was happy for Madge to be moved on, but didn’t think it was ALL his fault,
*tigers had an abysmal cap situation since the Cleary debacle, that Madge had to work with/thru
•tigers had a selection panel driven by a an ex roosters recruitment manager (now gone for McDonald) and with interference by our chairman/sponsor (Noffa says thank you)

* Sheens decisions/achievements in 2022

+unable to secure Ciraldo after sacking Madge and no other plan in place, can’t imagine Gus or Politis being that dumb

+appointing Noddy (not noddys fault) instead of one of the better qualified assistant coaches,

+releasing players from an already injury riddled team, and

+publicly declaring his focus was on 2025.

The tigers will/should improve given the change in the tigers cap position, not because of Sheens but because of the quality players we can now afford.

Sheens has failed at Nth Qld, been sacked by the tigers previously and numerous Super League sides.

Since he sacked Madge he has signed 2 players on long term deals + reserve grade player from Penrith
Bateman who has struggled in super league for the past 2 years for abt $700,000 (yea I watch super league, hope he improves, definitely needs to on recent form)
David Klemmer on a reported $800,000 for 2023 then hopefully less for the next 2 years, but should be good
The Ferrari for $500,000 for one year

I don’t think anything above is factually incorrect, but it is just my opinion/observations

This is the first year since Cleary that the tigers have been competitive in the market and Sheens is just a very lucky boy to have this advantage when he is coach + head of football, a completely different scenario to Madge’s term in charge.

I completely agree but will add that it seems part of the reason for the cap space this season is the tanking of last season.
And whilst I believe Madge would have had similar recruitment success given the same amount of dollars available to him, that does not mean we shouldn't be pleased with Sheens' achievements thus far.
Hopefully he can now actually coach them (and Benji).

 

[Tiger-ferret]

Sorry Junior but I was happy for Madge to be moved on, but didn’t think it was ALL his fault,
*tigers had an abysmal cap situation since the Cleary debacle, that Madge had to work with/thru
•tigers had a selection panel driven by a an ex roosters recruitment manager (now gone for McDonald) and with interference by our chairman/sponsor (Noffa says thank you)

* Sheens decisions/achievements in 2022

+unable to secure Ciraldo after sacking Madge and no other plan in place, can’t imagine Gus or Politis being that dumb

+appointing Noddy (not noddys fault) instead of one of the better qualified assistant coaches,

+releasing players from an already injury riddled team, and

+publicly declaring his focus was on 2025.

The tigers will/should improve given the change in the tigers cap position, not because of Sheens but because of the quality players we can now afford.

Sheens has failed at Nth Qld, been sacked by the tigers previously and numerous Super League sides.

Since he sacked Madge he has signed 2 players on long term deals + reserve grade player from Penrith
Bateman who has struggled in super league for the past 2 years for abt $700,000 (yea I watch super league, hope he improves, definitely needs to on recent form)
David Klemmer on a reported $800,000 for 2023 then hopefully less for the next 2 years, but should be good
The Ferrari for $500,000 for one year

I don’t think anything above is factually incorrect, but it is just my opinion/observations

This is the first year since Cleary that the tigers have been competitive in the market and Sheens is just a very lucky boy to have this advantage when he is coach + head of football, a completely different scenario to Madge’s term in charge.

Great post

 

[Telltails]

I agree with you TT. Sheens certainly picked his moment and I would agree with you except for one aspect.

If madge had shown some upwards trajectory, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I don't think the expectations were high with the inherited squad, he just delivered even lower.

Sheens also had a pretty cushy job with little accountability, but has jumped back into the fire. That's not nothing.

If Sheens thought the roster was good enough - now he has the job of getting the wins - he wouldnt be so activlely trying to rebuild it.
The roster was always the problem - the coach is just the easiest target.

 

[Viking Warrior]

If Sheens thought the roster was good enough - now he has the job of getting the wins - he wouldnt be so activlely trying to rebuild it.
The roster was always the problem - the coach is just the easiest target.

Yeh roster was the problem, also the coaches game plans and tactics were not not nrl standard. Madge is a great guy and I wish him all the best but we needed a change.

 

[PabloX]

Quit living in the past...

Can we please stop talking about JT, Madge etc, or at least move that conversation to a relevant thread

 

[fainty]

Are we signing Madge?!

 

[Tucker]

I enjoy the off seasons too. Then the footy starts 😂

Off season is the domain of the happy clapper.
This time last year plenty were yelling season 2022 was going to be a huge success.
For mine, season 2023 looks promising bar 3 important factors…
1. Lack of leadership especially on field. No controlling halves, no general.
2. X factor type strike. We have no Marshal / Farah / Tedesco quality of freak player who can setup points out of nothing.
3. Coaching staff. Mostly green or possibly well over cooked.

We require at least 2 of these issues to become a positive to play finals footy. I can’t see an emerging X Factor so we need Brooks/Doueihi to stand up and lead and we need Sheens to turn back the clock.

 

[Spartan117]

Wow, we could probably do with an organising half back.

They're rare, I heard Newcastle scored one from a dumb club.

 

[tigerballs]

I wouldn’t say Sheens has done a great job here yet.
He was somewhat responsible for the 22 spoon. He embarrassed the club with his decisions surrounding the coach - past, present and future. Sure he has signed a couple of guys, and gotten rid of the right players but he hasn’t proven anything as a coach here yet.
I’m intrigued about our chances in 23 but am also very apprehensive. I too remember the cluster that was 2012 and am not convinced he can do the job.

Why does everyone choose to remember 2012 and forget about 2005 and 2011

 

[Tigerstigerstigers]

Too many forumers living in the past. The likes of Madge, Hastings etc are no longer here. Lets focus on the current side and how we get into that elusive top 8 again...

I got a good feeling we gonna party in 2023 likes it’s 2005. Happy new tiger year everyone

 

[Telltails]

Why does everyone choose to remember 2012 and forget about 2005 and 2011

The supporters of coaches refer to their successes, the detractors focus on their failures.
It was the same last season and will no doubt continue until we are all happily following a successful team.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

It’s clear we are building for Benji era and I like what we are doing. We needed to do something different & the team really couldn’t have done much better than they have for 23.

They are getting a pass mark from me to date.

If we get MM that will be a coup, if we don’t we have shown the market a clear intent that we will spend big for a quality player in 24/25 (Munster and MM serious intent).

I’m nervous but somewhat excited for what is building.

 

[tony soprano]

Why does everyone choose to remember 2012 and forget about 2005 and 2011

💯

 

[tony soprano]

Don't forget Lui our halfback who was with us to two top 4 finishes getting sacked in the 2012 pre season after belting his missus, we were never the same after that.

💯

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Wow, we could probably do with an organising half back.

They're rare, I heard Newcastle scored one from a dumb club.

yeah Nah Newcastle can have him

 

[the_third]

Yeh I'm sure he'll do what's best 4 him but you really see better opportunities outside WT for him?

Its not about what's best for him unfortunately

 

[cqtiger]

I think it’s sweet how some are still sticking up for Maguire.

 

[Telltails]

Yeh roster was the problem, also the coaches game plans and tactics were not not nrl standard. Madge is a great guy and I wish him all the best but we needed a change.

Sheens saw enough when Noddy took over with the shackles off how weak the squad was - albeit with a high injury toll that certainly did not help. No coach was going to succeed at this club on the back of some talented juniors without strengthening the team. With full control and the coaches hat on it is pretty evident what has sparked his motivation.