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Telltails said:
Yep. I will keep defending IPap. You can't make 47 and 48 tackles play 80 then be expected to be more impactful with ball -same with Api. It's just not realistic.
We need an edge running forward sure but those effective players are not tackle machines and rarely do they play 80. The forwards we have got this year are having a go and their effort areas should be acknowledged.
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I agree with what you've said regarding IPap and Api but if some of our middles were truly having a go IPap wouldn't be topping the count every week.
 
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Telltails said:
Yep. I will keep defending IPap. You can't make 47 and 48 tackles play 80 then be expected to be more impactful with ball -same with Api. It's just not realistic.
We need an edge running forward sure but those effective players are not tackle machines and rarely do they play 80. The forwards we have got this year are having a go and their effort areas should be acknowledged.
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100%. Another thing that happens when your backline is finding space is the opposition forwards get moved around more and get tired. Opening up more opportunities for everyone including edge forwards. At the minute teams are just loading up on us as we’re not really wearing them out. Too one dimensional.
 
Demps said:
The complaint is how ineffective the wingers we have currently are.

Brian To'o isn't the fastest winger but his strong carries help the team in each set.

Staines can't take those hit ups because he just gets folded and pushed back.

I like Tupou but he's an incomplete product at the moment and he's leaving anyway.

Backline needs an overhaul and if the Cotric info is true, it makes sense.

1 Bula
2
3
4 Olam
5 Cotric

Just need to improve the other side also
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How does Cotric on last 2yrs form improve what we already have?

His work rate is poor, his meter coverage average at best (he is outside top 30 wingers for efficiency) & he will be costly. If it happens hope I’m wrong but so think be would be a dud buy.

Tupou injury sure he is better than anyone next in line as a depth/emergency full in but I don’t think he is an upgrade on Tupou or Staines.
 
Any chance we can find a genuine elite lock prospect? I think one thing our forwards need and don't have is a guy with a short ball at the line who can get the receivers noses through the line for a quick play the ball, but also with the games sense and physicality to hold the ball and get a quick ptb of his own if the defence hold off him.
I dont think the forwards are doing enough but I think they are on a hiding to nothing just hitting it straight up off a half or Api.
 
BAGNF05 said:
I’m over the forwards copping unwarranted criticism. We’re holding up in the middle better than we did for years. People have forgotten the bad old days when the middle was route 66 and our edges were easier to unlock than a cable tie. Klem beats Tamou by a country mile.

Edit: Throw Reece Walsh and Cobbo into this team and nobody is knocking the forwards.
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Benji has to do something about the outside backs. The Broncos have Mariner, Cobbo, Staggs, Walsh, Arthur’s, Oates, Sailor and let go Farnworth. They would all start in our backline.
 
BAGNF05 said:
Or disprove a good point.
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It’s a point that will never be proven. Look at Ice in 21-22. Best, most destructive forward in the comp. Now he is a powder puff. Given the amount of players who have come here and lost their mojo, you could forgive me for being skeptical.
 
TYGA said:
Benji has to do something about the outside backs. The Broncos have Mariner, Cobbo, Staggs, Walsh, Arthur’s, Oates, Sailor and let go Farnworth. They would all start in our backline.
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Agree, Bula and Olam would shine with better players around them. Everyone else we have in the OB backs I’d be moving on from. AD walks back in to a centre spot atm.
 
gregjm87 said:
I agree with what you've said regarding IPap and Api but if some of our middles were truly having a go IPap wouldn't be topping the count every week.
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Bigger bodied men are never going to move as laterally to get into a position to make as many tackles. It appears that's IPap's role in the team and he is doing it pretty well - but with those numbers he will also miss a few as does Api. Makes me shake my head when people have a crack or are questioning why they are looking gassed - their workload is immense more than any other players on the field.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
It’s a point that will never be proven. Look at Ice in 21-22. Best, most destructive forward in the comp. Now he is a powder puff. Given the amount of players who have come here and lost their mojo, you could forgive me for being skeptical.
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You only had to watch Brisbane play last night to know what I’m saying. Ice is going okay. Our backline is the significant issue needing attention.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
It’s a point that will never be proven. Look at Ice in 21-22. Best, most destructive forward in the comp. Now he is a powder puff. Given the amount of players who have come here and lost their mojo, you could forgive me for being skeptical.
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He had one breakout season and was solid again. Was never defensively good powerful player when put in holes can be unstoppable. He hasn’t changed he no longer runs off Moses is the difference.
TBH he’s a solid player for us runs hard and tackles all day but never has any space to work with. He doesn’t suit this team will change with Luai.
 
Telltails said:
Yep. I will keep defending IPap. You can't make 47 and 48 tackles play 80 then be expected to be more impactful with ball -same with Api. It's just not realistic.
We need an edge running forward sure but those effective players are not tackle machines and rarely do they play 80. The forwards we have got this year are having a go and their effort areas should be acknowledged.
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I can’t agree more. I can’t believe people are sooking about Pap. And people asking for edge running 2fr, well we have them but aren’t putting them onto the edges with room to run. How many times do we get jammed up and give a short ball into traffic. There was one yesterday, I was amazed Paps even caught the ball let alone hold onto it in the traffic. Our 2rfs are not the reason we’re loosing. The forwards as a group have been doing well enough, but still got bettered by Penrith. Although that first try was a jip. If that was us we would’ve been penalised. We’re improving, we just need to stick at it and work even harder.
 
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