Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

KCtiger said:
I prefer sticking with Seyfarth as he has better stats when compared to Tupouniua

My thoughts on Seyfarth is that his whole career he has been stuffed around and never had an extended run in top grade at just 1 position, he runs a great line he can offload and tackles at a good rate.

He brings a lot of fire, aggression and passion to our team and although that sometimes turns into errors and penalties those are things that can be taken out of his game if he can have some more consistency
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Would absolutely take Tupouniua over Seyfarth. Tupouniua had his first full year back from a major injury last season and he spent time playing at centre, second row and middle. That’s why his numbers are down (he was also starting pre-injury).

You say that these are things that can be taken out of his game but it’s getting worse, not better. That’s the biggest issue.

His defense is so poor, especially when he constantly shoots out of the line and can’t recover sideways because of his poor lateral movement. It’s one thing peeling or falling off a tackle, but completely missing the player and creating overlaps is another. He grabs at players rather than hitting with his shoulder.

There’s been a bunch of instances where he’s rushed out of the line resulting in a 4 on 3 and the opposition scores in the corner. Unfortunately it’s the winger that gets blamed, but it’s actually the fault of the second rower rushing out of the line creating the overlap, which the half, centre and winger have to then react and rush in.

I think the problem is that most fans see his passion and effort and want to believe or convince themselves that he can improve, but he’s shown no sign of improvement when it comes to defense, decision making and discipline.

I seriously hope he miraculously turns it around this off-season, otherwise we are in for a long season.
 
hank37w said:
I thought I saw his discipline improve, there were times he was making a concerted effort to put his hands up and pull away where previously he would do something dumb that would attract the attention of the ref.

It was as if he was making an exaggerated attempt to show the referee that he was not interfering with the player or doing anything that he should not of been doing because it was starting to look like he was getting a bit of a reputation with the referees.

As others have said, just let him concentrate on that right side second row role if we don't or can't attract anyone better in the mean time.

I think he has something to offer if given the chance and if we choose to persevere with him.
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Statistically, he was one of the worst (top 3) in the completion for penalties conceded (penalties to minutes played).

He also has a terrible habit of giving penalties away at the worst time when the game is on the line.
 
Canadian Club said:
Statistically, he was one of the worst (top 3) in the completion for penalties conceded (penalties to minutes played).

He also has a terrible habit of giving penalties away at the worst time when the game is on the line.
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Look I agree he needs to improve his discipline but also sometimes the guys who are making the most effort for the team give away penalties because they are saving a try or a line break and I'd rather give away a penalty then a try. The problem with our side was they were also getting into positions too often where a penalty almost needed to be given away as it was our only chance.

Also though he was getting targeted by ref's which is somewhat his fault with his history but also somewhat poor officiating. Still he needs ti pull his head in but he does a lot right as well
 
Lestronge said:
??? Most players came through grade playing completely different positions to the ones they ended up playing in first grade . As for Benji even he adapted from the spark plug , the game revolves around whenever you want to do your thing , to the game managing half and tactician he retired as .
I think that’s a really obtuse outlook mate .
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We can agree to disagree.

Meh it's Football, heck it's not even soccer. We don't even need a punchup over this ///

All I am saying is that Parra seem to have picked a bunch of Props to coach their entire side. Other then Cayless who is an experienced coach*, most seem to have just played Prop/Second row. That means you will get a very gritty side that I suspect will lack positioning, ball skills and technique in the backs.

That's all. It's Parra, I am sure you will be hating on them as much as I.
Parra's only redeeming quality is that when it's us vs them they get the Boof on. I respect that.


Yea, I don't think that having your coaching staff made up of almost all props does your halves or backs any favours. Sure anyone can do the basics, but what say Josh Addo Carr knows about being a wing is a lot more then Bryce Gibbs knows. The coaching staff won't be able to tune and improve the game of the backs.... But seriously I do not care that much!


The Tigers have the balance a little better this season. Could use some Beefcake... Hodgson (FB), Heighington (2rf), Josh Morris *Doh John Morris* (5/8 - Center) GI and Marshall. That said the proof is on the field.


*He did nothing here. Which I was really dissapointed in.
 
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boonboon said:
Look I agree he needs to improve his discipline but also sometimes the guys who are making the most effort for the team give away penalties because they are saving a try or a line break and I'd rather give away a penalty then a try. The problem with our side was they were also getting into positions too often where a penalty almost needed to be given away as it was our only chance.

Also though he was getting targeted by ref's which is somewhat his fault with his history but also somewhat poor officiating. Still he needs ti pull his head in but he does a lot right as well
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Thats the issue though, he gives away penalties with his poor discipline and lets in tries with his poor defense and poor decision making in defense. It's a double whammy with Seyfarth.
 
I like seyfarth. But for me he is a bit goofy and I don’t think anyone fears his ‘aggression’ so far - too long for me in 1st grade not to take next step. Get under his grill and he lets a penalty go. He’s like a soft big red Galloway. People feared the big red G. Saeyfarth has a year to channel that and let his play and real channeled mongrel do the talking. Lanky guys like Shaun lane are a numbered species for me and lane is streets ahead of our guy. Still like him nonetheless
 
Anyone see Tyrell’s latest vlog on YouTube? Filmed first day at training at WT. Not sure I love it. He portrayed the big dog. Twal seems a bit shocked. His presence seems welcomed. Does some towel chin ups and I think toa adds a big plate between his knees and shoes those watching how to really do it. He must have Licence for the vlog? Not sure I like it or care. Think he will add mongrel. He mentions Fonua pole - like acknowledging his other alpha.
 
crazycat said:
We can agree to disagree.

Meh it's Football, heck it's not even soccer. We don't even need a punchup over this ///

All I am saying is that Parra seem to have picked a bunch of Props to coach their entire side. Other then Cayless who is an experienced coach*, most seem to have just played Prop/Second row. That means you will get a very gritty side that I suspect will lack positioning, ball skills and technique in the backs.

That's all. It's Parra, I am sure you will be hating on them as much as I.
Parra's only redeeming quality is that when it's us vs them they get the Boof on. I respect that.


Yea, I don't think that having your coaching staff made up of almost all props does your halves or backs any favours. Sure anyone can do the basics, but what say Josh Addo Carr knows about being a wing is a lot more then Bryce Gibbs knows. The coaching staff won't be able to tune and improve the game of the backs.... But seriously I do not care that much!


The Tigers have the balance a little better this season. Could use some Beefcake... Hodgson (FB), Heighington (2rf), Josh Morris (5/8 - Center) GI and Marshall. That said the proof is on the field.


*He did nothing here. Which I was really dissapointed in.
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Meh - how bout John morris
 
Year_of_the_Tiger said:
I like seyfarth. But for me he is a bit goofy and I don’t think anyone fears his ‘aggression’ so far - too long for me in 1st grade not to take next step. Get under his grill and he lets a penalty go. He’s like a soft big red Galloway. People feared the big red G. Saeyfarth has a year to channel that and let his play and real channeled mongrel do the talking. Lanky guys like Shaun lane are a numbered species for me and lane is streets ahead of our guy. Still like him nonetheless
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I would upgrade him if the opportunity arose, but with the right guys inside him he can handle an edge. He will need to work on his defence, but if he has locked down and edge role this will simplify it for him and he can certainly lean on Bird for advice and support (or play Bird on his edge in defence and have him plugging the middle).

Forget about him being a prop and have him running at holes off Luai, Galvin, Latu and/or Bird. If he runs lines like Liam Martin, with his Giraffe frame and offload ability, he is servicable. I also think he is the type of guy who will try his best to do deliver what the coach wants. Give him clear guidelines and a simple role to execute and he is not likely to let us down. Will he set the world on fire? No. But can he do the job we need him to do? Probably.
 
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Canadian Club said:
Statistically, he was one of the worst (top 3) in the completion for penalties conceded (penalties to minutes played).

He also has a terrible habit of giving penalties away at the worst time when the game is on the line.
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He may have been, as you say one of the worst over the season, but do you have stats towards the end of the season that go against my impression that he was working hard on his discipline and that it actually improved.

I'm only going on my impression and was not using statistics.
 
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