Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

happy_tiger said:
Look everyone think defence is a 5 minute fix or even an off season fix
I'm gunna use the 2019 Panthers as an example
To get to the where they got to in 2020 and beyond it took 2 off seasons and a full season to get to that level
They finished 10th in 2019 , below us and had a -61 for and against
They had to change everything throughout the club at all levels of football development
But look at the time involved , and I know our pain is stretched over 15 years and another year of pain is the last thing any of us want
But that's what it is going to take to get to the top
And it all comes off their defence , yes I know it helps having Cleary as a player, but his defence is arguably the best of any half in the comp
They back their defence to get them into winning positions
If it's good enough for them , then that's the level we need to aim
And I'm not saying our attack doesn't need work it needs work , but if you concentrate on attack you never fix the crux of the problem and just have to chase more and more points every week
You have to fix your defence first
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Where did I say to prioritise attack, my whole post was about defense, the point being the new recruits as a collective should improve attitudes as well as their experience level at defending.
 
Betterdays22 said:
Point has been made here a few times but I don't think our defence was very good to start the year. We still looked very fragile defending our red zone but it was masked because because we were dominating the yardage battle and teams simply weren't getting much of a look in.
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Isn't dominance of yardage pushing the opposition back the key to winning, a sign of a useful team, isn't that how the Roosters won the grand final, the Knights weren't in the Roosters half very much.

I'd be happy if the Tigers could play that way all the way through a season, there would be a lot of ugly wins, take that instead of losses but it takes a mentally strong team to do that.

Hopefully the mental toughness of the new recruits rubs off on some of the wimps we have, if it doesn't there should be no patience to keep picking them in the side with the depth we have now.
 
Rock Hopper Steve said:
Isn't dominance of yardage pushing the opposition back the key to winning, a sign of a useful team, isn't that how the Roosters won the grand final, the Knights weren't in the Roosters half very much.

I'd be happy if the Tigers could play that way all the way through a season, there would be a lot of ugly wins, take that instead of losses but it takes a mentally strong team to do that.

Hopefully the mental toughness of the new recruits rubs off on some of the wimps we have, if it doesn't there should be no patience to keep picking them in the side with the depth we have now.
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That is part of it, but imo the style we were playing was too reliant on a couple of players providing maximum intensity and maximum aggression. Those players get hurt or suspended and the paper over the cracks disappear.

Being able to defend consecutive sets on your own line is a different thing and relies on team cohesion and structure. At no point this year was I confident we could hold teams out.
 
Demps said:
Junior Nsemba spending a lot of time with KPP whilst he's here for the world cup.

Hopefully he's talking him into becoming a Tiger 🐅 🙏

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First step would be a news article stating "Nsemba appoints Australian agent." That is what happened with KPP https://www.zerotackle.com/demand-continues-to-grow-for-young-english-star-116691/

I reckon Nsemba would triple his SL salary if he came to the NRL. WT would also have to pay a transfer fee though that is not included in the cap
 
happy_tiger said:
Look everyone think defence is a 5 minute fix or even an off season fix

But look at the time involved , and I know our pain is stretched over 15 years and another year of pain is the last thing any of us want
But that's what it is going to take to get to the top

You have to fix your defence first
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I hope the club realises that there is no alternative than to go through it and go back to square one.

It's almost something of a truism that defence is the foundation for success; it has been proven many times by the top coaches and teams as you've said, and is irrefutable imo.

But the past few years the tigers have been pretty good at getting the ball back into good attacking position, only for too often to look like they have zero idea what play to put on and end up not capitalising on it.

Which means they don't have points behind them... which means they don't get the ball back from the kickoff... which means they have to make a hundred more tackles every week...

Which inevitably puts more pressure on the defence, which has led to them letting in so many points.

(More witches than Salem here! 😂).

It's an argument that has no end, as both affect the other:
How a team defends is usually how a team attacks and vice versa.
 
happy_tiger said:
Look everyone think defence is a 5 minute fix or even an off season fix
I'm gunna use the 2019 Panthers as an example
To get to the where they got to in 2020 and beyond it took 2 off seasons and a full season to get to that level
They finished 10th in 2019 , below us and had a -61 for and against
They had to change everything throughout the club at all levels of football development
But look at the time involved , and I know our pain is stretched over 15 years and another year of pain is the last thing any of us want
But that's what it is going to take to get to the top
And it all comes off their defence , yes I know it helps having Cleary as a player, but his defence is arguably the best of any half in the comp
They back their defence to get them into winning positions
If it's good enough for them , then that's the level we need to aim
And I'm not saying our attack doesn't need work it needs work , but if you concentrate on attack you never fix the crux of the problem and just have to chase more and more points every week
You have to fix your defence first
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A good solid consistent defence,.play the long game and frustrate the opposition ala Penrith recently and.Melb past....wait for errors and force them away from what they want to do
The wrestle is a big part of it.
 
I think the game has changed significantly in recent seasons and Melbourne showed that if you can't attack your defensive structures no matter how good will only hold up so long. Their ability to attack was weakened considerably this season due to injury and players leaving who were not replaced.
In the GF it was a defensive game because the 6 again was hardly in play.
While ever the 6 again is in play - possession and the ability to take advantage of it - score/ convert - will challenge the best defensive teams.
 
Telltails said:
I think the game has changed significantly in recent seasons and Melbourne showed that if you can't attack your defensive structures no matter how good will only hold up so long. Their ability to attack was weakened considerably this season due to injury and players leaving who were not replaced.
In the GF it was a defensive game because the 6 again was hardly in play.
While ever the 6 again is in play - possession and the ability to take advantage of it - score/ convert - will challenge the best defensive teams.
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The speed of the game has killed Melbourne. No more wrestle.
 
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