Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

From my calculations we have 24 confirmed seats on the bus with both Elijah Taylor and Tim Grant having options to stay in 2018\. So if you include Taylor and Grant we have 26 seats filled for 2018.

Four seats left to fill.

Strong rumours from all media outlets that Connor Watson is on the bus and if true leave 3 seats.

In my opinion we require one prop, one second rower and a winger to complete the bus.

Still some props on the market but second rowers appear hard to come by.

I hope we either secure Tapou or Rona for the wing spot.
 
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Wish we'd go after Nathan Brown. Ran for 246m & made 42 tackles last night!! Spewin he left us but good to see he is going well.

We have to many small forwards now, we don't need any more.

You must be confusing him with Nathan Brown the former hooker, JT punted this bloke while still under contract just after he arrived, another masterstroke from him, he would be very handy now.
Date of Birth: 03-01-1993
Height: 185cm
Weight: 107kg
Position: Prop, Second Row, Lock
Rep. Honours: NSW City (2016)
Junior Clubs: Five Dock RSL, Dundas Shamrocks
Previous Clubs: Wests Tigers, South Sydney Rabbitohs
FG Debut: Wests Tigers v St. George Illawarra Dragons, 24 August 2013
Club Debut: Parramatta Eels v Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles, 5 March 2017
 
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Is there any coincidence that Clubs who are one city and/or have strong TPA backing retain their best players? They may throw a bone every now and then such as a Connor Watson or Kevin Proctor but they usually keep their best.

The blight on the game that hinders its development and growth is not expansion - it is the salary cap and the rorts associated with the TPAs. Regardless of expansion the issue will continue to hold the game back. The three biggest rorters are the Broncos, Roosters, Storm and Bulldogs. If you look at the grand final participation rate since the inception of the NRL in 1998 it becomes obvious that these four clubs are always fancied and the pointy end of the competition. In fact there is about a 25% chance that one of the four will reach a grand final whereas it is about an 8% for other teams reaching that goal.

If the NRL was serious about the games growth then it must be serious about leveling out the field through the system of payments. All supporters would like to cheer their teams into a grand final and not just the four favoured teams.

Look at the salary cap in the AFL and one can see how it should work. The administration of the NRL is a joke.

Absolutely, they don't want a level playing field. They want a perception of relative fairness, but we all know it's as crooked as a dog's hind leg. That's what made it all the more special on 2005 when we got up there despite all the things against us holding us down.

That's what will make it all the more special when we get back up there as well.

AFL modeled their salary cap system on the NRL. They have the same issues, but just aren't as good as the NRL at capturing the cheats or prosecuting them.
Brisbane and Roosters have won one competition since 2006 between them (hardly inspiring)
Melbourne have 3 of the greatest players either in one team - good luck to them. How many of you would have picked Cooper Cronk or even Billy Slater as an all time great when they nobodies? And now you complain about their right to retain them? Should they be punished for developing a nobody like Tim Glasby and Jordan McLean?
Don't blame the salary cap or teams just being better at recruiting and identifying talent than teams like the Tigers who do less with more.
Stop complaining.. Teams like the Tigers have stuffed up recruitment and retention for years.. It has NOTHING to do with TPAs.

Honestly how can you tell any league fan that it has nothing to do with TPAs? Of course TPAs have an impact.

You've been rather selective about premierships, sure Broncos and Roosters have not run riot in premierships, but they make the finals most years and Roosters were MPs 3 years running. The NRL is even in terms of turnover of premiers, the salary cap helps that, but it's not even in terms of who makes the finals.

When it comes to finals appearances over the past 12 seasons, only 6 clubs have made it more than 50% of the time - Broncos (83.33%), Dogs (66.67%), Manly (83.33%), Melbourne (91.67%), Cowboys (66.67%), Dragons (58.33%). Sharks have made it 50% of the time. Roosters have made it 41.67% because despite some terrific seasons, when they get it wrong they really bomb out.

But when 6 teams make the finals on a very regular basis, that means at least 6 teams don't make the finals on a very regular basis. And what ends up happening is the bottom 10 teams duke it out for the last two spots most seasons.

Of course we don't officially know which clubs have TPAs but I don't think anyone finds it surprising that the teams associated with strong TPAs are almost entirely the teams that regularly make up the Top 8, Roosters being the exception.

That's not to say clubs like Melbourne do not have excellent recruitment and retention strategies, because clearly they have a good system. BUT also as you say, Melbourne struck gold with a handful of elite quality juniors who all came to prominence at the same time and formed the core of a top side. Broncos had the same thing in the early 90s and mid 2000s, a golden crop of talent all at the top of their game at once. That's both good recruitment and just good luck for the timing of that.

But Melbourne are also confirmed as the most systematic cheats in the game, so anything they've done is frankly tainted with the knowledge that they knowingly rorted the system over many seasons to get ahead of the pack.
 
Ok here's a fun fact .. Roosters have 0 TPAs.
Here's a second fun fact… Tigers top 25 top Tier salary cap includes:
Robbie Farah
Tim Simona
Mitchell Moses
Curtis Sironen
Matt Ballin.

Keep blaming TPAs if you want but roster mismanagement is the single most deciding factor in whether a team is successful or not.
Last year Cronulla used only 23 players to win a comp.. they spend hardly anything on second tier cap.
Wests Tigers have been losing year after year because they have been horrible at managing a roster and have had some bad luck with injury.

Saying the AFL is a model of excellence and bagging the NRL annoys me... There has been no repeat GF winner for a long time now.. the Salary Cap in the NRL is working much better.. it will never be fully protected against cheating but its so far above the AFL its not even close.. Compare those win % against Sydney, Hawthorn, Geelong, West Coast etc... then look at the GWS concessions.. is that fair? At least the Tigers have hope for next year ... whereas I can tell you now.. most the of the AFL teams that are currently crap will be crap again next year.
 
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Wish we'd go after Nathan Brown. Ran for 246m & made 42 tackles last night!! Spewin he left us but good to see he is going well.

We have to many small forwards now, we don't need any more.

You must be confusing him with Nathan Brown the former hooker, JT punted this bloke while still under contract just after he arrived, another masterstroke from him, he would be very handy now.
Date of Birth: 03-01-1993
Height: 185cm
Weight: 107kg
Position: Prop, Second Row, Lock
Rep. Honours: NSW City (2016)
Junior Clubs: Five Dock RSL, Dundas Shamrocks
Previous Clubs: Wests Tigers, South Sydney Rabbitohs
FG Debut: Wests Tigers v St. George Illawarra Dragons, 24 August 2013
Club Debut: Parramatta Eels v Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles, 5 March 2017

A very good forward and a bad decision to release him to souths.He would have been an asset to the club this year
 
Every team that has won the competition in the past 20 years has used 25 players or less over the course of the season. The single most dominant reason that the Tigers aren't competitive is that our top tier salary cap currently includes, Sironen, Simona, Ballin, Farah and Moses. That is why we have to play the Kyle Lovett's of the world and that is why we are crap.

Thankfully, we now have a brain in Clearly and roster management will improve and we might be competitive again. But stop blaming the salary cap and TPAs.. its classic blame misappropriation. Blaming tools and not the person using them.
 
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Ok here's a fun fact .. Roosters have 0 TPAs.
Here's a second fun fact… Tigers top 25 top Tier salary cap includes:
Robbie Farah
**Tim Simona**
Mitchell Moses
Curtis Sironen
Matt Ballin.

Tim Simona is not on our cap. He had his contract terminated, which means we don't owe him anything, and his salary was removed from the cap. So we actually came into this season with a top 24
 
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Every team that has won the competition in the past 20 years has used 25 players or less over the course of the season. The single most dominant reason that the Tigers aren't competitive is that our top tier salary cap currently includes, Sironen, Simona, Ballin, Farah and Moses. That is why we have to play the Kyle Lovett's of the world and that is why we are crap.

Thankfully, we now have a brain in Clearly and roster management will improve and we might be competitive again. But stop blaming the salary cap and TPAs.. its classic blame misappropriation. Blaming tools and not the person using them.

Fairly sure Simona has not been part of the cap all year(derigistered) and Moses hasnt been since he became a Quisling(slimies paying)
 
We still paying Simona… 😕

I think we are also still paying Blair, Fifita. Heighington, Ryan and Gibbs..you left them out...
 
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Wish we'd go after Nathan Brown. Ran for 246m & made 42 tackles last night!! Spewin he left us but good to see he is going well.

We have to many small forwards now, we don't need any more.

Cant agree there sorry mate. Brown has a real impact, plays big minutes & with a lot of mongrel. I think thats exactly what we need.
 
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Ok here's a fun fact .. Roosters have 0 TPAs.
Here's a second fun fact… Tigers top 25 top Tier salary cap includes:
Robbie Farah
**Tim Simona**
Mitchell Moses
Curtis Sironen
Matt Ballin.

Tim Simona is not on our cap. He had his contract terminated, which means we don't owe him anything, and his salary was removed from the cap. So we actually came into this season with a top 24

Yes he is in our 25.. because he received payments for the year until he was terminated.. so 1/4 of his contract value for the year .. lets say conservatively 80k.. plus a termination payout.. which is all included in the top 25 salary cap.. but take out Simona and ??????? does it lessen the argument??
 
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Ok here's a fun fact .. Roosters have 0 TPAs.
Here's a second fun fact… Tigers top 25 top Tier salary cap includes:
Robbie Farah
**Tim Simona**
Mitchell Moses
Curtis Sironen
Matt Ballin.

Tim Simona is not on our cap. He had his contract terminated, which means we don't owe him anything, and his salary was removed from the cap. So we actually came into this season with a top 24

Yes he is in our 25.. because he received payments for the year until he was terminated.. so 1/4 of his contract value for the year .. lets say conservatively 80k.. plus a termination payout.. which is all included in the top 25 salary cap.. but take out Simona and ??????? does it lessen the argument??

Mitchell Moses requested a release about 4 times. Why is he/would he be included on our 2017 cap?
 
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Ok here's a fun fact .. Roosters have 0 TPAs.
Here's a second fun fact… Tigers top 25 top Tier salary cap includes:
Robbie Farah
Tim Simona
Mitchell Moses
Curtis Sironen
Matt Ballin.

Keep blaming TPAs if you want but roster mismanagement is the single most deciding factor in whether a team is successful or not.
Last year Cronulla used only 23 players to win a comp.. they spend hardly anything on second tier cap.
Wests Tigers have been losing year after year because they have been horrible at managing a roster and have had some bad luck with injury.

Here's a fun fact, Roosters have lots of TPAs and we only have a few. Broncos have more TPAs thrown at them than they do players. One city clubs like that have such a ridiculous advantage. Geography and the connections the board have are the two deciding factors for TPAs.

You're also confusing the 25 and the salary cap. None of those players are currently in our top 25\. Yes parts of players contracts like Farah and Sirro are included in our total cap, as was the portion of Simona/Moses' salary up until they left the club. None of these players are in the top 25 players 'at the club' . With Ballin retiring we're apparently getting an extra spot in our 25 and 200k of cap space.

We need to have 25 players in the cap outside of those guys and then we get into the 2nd tier.

The Tigers problems come from poor recruitment retention mainly from several years ago, for which this season is the last of ridiculous over inflated contracts given to juniors and others. Grant Mayer really did almost kill this club.
 
True and good points.
How do you know the fact that Roosters have no TPAs?
Everyone suggests Uncle Nick has helped put that team together.
Personally I think they have a lot of younger / less experienced players in the roster and a being paid accordingly that why they are cap compliant.
I wouldn't be surprised if Boyd cordner wasn't on 500k yet.
Not too mention Aubusson and Mitch Pearce would be long serving players. Add to that to the Marquee player allowance. Every team has the same but as I have said before just like the Storm and Brisbane young players go to those clubs to develop and learn the cash will come to them later in life.
Personally I laugh whenever I hear a young player wants to come to our club to because he likes the club. It's the money and lower squad talent which equals 1st grade opportunity that is attractive.
You could probably see that being the case with most of the Keebra park boys.
Finally we are getting our whole house in order.
 
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Ok here's a fun fact .. Roosters have 0 TPAs.
Here's a second fun fact… Tigers top 25 top Tier salary cap includes:
Robbie Farah
Tim Simona
Mitchell Moses
Curtis Sironen
Matt Ballin.

Keep blaming TPAs if you want but roster mismanagement is the single most deciding factor in whether a team is successful or not.
Last year Cronulla used only 23 players to win a comp.. they spend hardly anything on second tier cap.
Wests Tigers have been losing year after year because they have been horrible at managing a roster and have had some bad luck with injury.

Here's a fun fact, Roosters have lots of TPAs and we only have a few. Broncos have more TPAs thrown at them than they do players. One city clubs like that have such a ridiculous advantage. Geography and the connections the board have are the two deciding factors for TPAs.

**You're also confusing the 25 and the salary cap. None of those players are currently in our top 2**5\. Yes parts of players contracts like Farah and Sirro are included in our total cap, as was the portion of Simona/Moses' salary up until they left the club. None of these players are in the top 25 players 'at the club' . With Ballin retiring we're apparently getting an extra spot in our 25 and 200k of cap space.

We need to have 25 players in the cap outside of those guys and then we get into the 2nd tier.

The Tigers problems come from poor recruitment retention mainly from several years ago, for which this season is the last of ridiculous over inflated contracts given to juniors and others. Grant Mayer really did almost kill this club.

no I am not… ALL of those players are in the top tier 25 .. Every.. single.. one... 100% guarantee.. 100% certain.. 100% without doubt.. All of these players contributed to the 2017 Salary Cap! that is the issue.. and that is the fundamental reason why the Tigers stink... Blame the Roosters and geography all you want.. but Tigers won't improve with that mentality and I'm sure Ivan Clearly isn't lying around kicking stones and complaining and nor should you... I want the Tigers to be professional like the Storm.. recruit and develop like the Storm.. I want the Tigers to have a culture of excellence.. not a whinging ,... complaining.. someone else's fault.. blah blah.. point is.. Tigers have been hopeless in lots of areas that have nothing to do with with other clubs.
 

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