Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[supercoach]

The problem with both the comparisons of TPA's is it only factors in the NRL approved ones.

The RLPA is zero chance of agreeing to access to players financials.

The only way to develop system is a points system… While money is involved, there will ALWAYS be corruption!

100% agreed…..There are a 101 ways you can pay a player extra without attracting the salary cap auditor. The only system that will work is a point system. Doubt we will ever see it because it would appear powerful people do not want a level playing field

 

[rex2ce]

Players want to play for successful, glamorous clubs and location comes into it as well, so taking into account what Geo said above, plus you are circulating in an area where the chicks are, most would play for the Roosters for less than they would for other clubs- human nature.

 

[Geo]

Yeah …..but when you never have to pay for food, clothes, ciggies, booze. coke and women for the rest of your life you don't really need TPA's whist playing the game...

Roosters have a deal with Coca-Cola? :unamused:

yes but only original none of these new no sugar lines..

 

[tiger05premier]

The lurker has put up a story about Nathan Cleary if anyone knows how to post it please do

 

[Tiger_Watto]

It basically says he is happy at Penrith, and he has an agreement with Panthers they will not negociate contracts during the current season. It also says he is expecting alot of offers, including one from the Wests Tigers come November.

Nothing article

 

[momo_amp_medo]

The lurker has put up a story about Nathan Cleary if anyone knows how to post it please do

Today’s Sporting News article
Nathan Cleary expects Tigers to come calling

Nathan Cleary expects his father Ivan to come knocking on his door once he’s officially on the open market – but insists the pair has not yet discussed a change of clubs.

One of the hottest young players in the game, rival clubs can approach Cleary from November 1 with a view to prising him out of the Panthers.

The 20-year-old is off contract at the end of 2019 and is sure to attract an army of suitors, including Ivan’s Wests Tigers.

But Cleary, who still lives at home, is adamant contract discussions are not brought up over Cornflakes.

“Like any player they want to chase, he might offer something to me when the time is right,” Cleary jnr said of a likely approach from the Tigers.

“But that’s not for now. I’ve still got two years left on my contract so there’s plenty of time to talk.

“I’ve come to an agreement with Penrith that we’ll not talk about it for the rest of the year and will wait until the season is over.

“I’m more than happy at the moment. I just to play some footy and talk about it later.”

Cleary is cut from the same unflappable cloth as his father, so it’s little surprise he is so relaxed about the pending circus over his next move.

It’s the same attitude he’s taken to reports of unrest at the Panthers in the wake of Bryce Cartwright and Matt Moylan departing the club.

Cleary said: “The media probably made it bigger than it really was.

“No-one likes to see friends leave but that’s footy these days.

“I’m more than happy there and I think everyone’s pretty happy.

“We’re a tight bunch of mates and we’re looking forward to playing with each other.”

 

[underdog]

Teo has nothing on.moses or moltzen

Why mention Moses and Moltzen together?

For all Moltzen did wrong, we dropped him for Robert Lui (which was a good decision till he bashed his wife..*sigh*)
Then he came back to us for a season or two and I think we dropped him fast. He went from talent to nothing and I think it was because of injuries.

I'm sure there were hassles fitting him in and buying him back from St George. But that's very different to Moses gathering 3 team mates and saying it's all or nothing.

Moltzen's comeback brought back a shell of the same person…. whether thats club management of his psyche, or his own man management remains to be seen, however he'd clearly left plenty of courage in the recovery group sheds.

We had a period of time where almost every bomb directed his way was allowed to bounce, every hard tackle was an arm grab, every facial expression resembled Greg Bird, and every drop ball by a teammate was met with derision, and venom. I went from loving the guy, to not wanting him to have anything to do with our team in the space of 18 months.

Quite the pea heart - I remember him hiding behind Blake Ayshford (who despite best efforts was wrong footed) when of all players JAKE FN MULLANEY Strolled through for a try - (Jake weighed about 75 keggs soaking wet) the game Parra tore us apart in the first half back, and we shredded them in the second half - Koroibetes 4 try game.

 

[TigerTone]

The lurker has put up a story about Nathan Cleary if anyone knows how to post it please do

Today’s Sporting News article
Nathan Cleary expects Tigers to come calling

Nathan Cleary expects his father Ivan to come knocking on his door once he’s officially on the open market – but insists the pair has not yet discussed a change of clubs.

One of the hottest young players in the game, rival clubs can approach Cleary from November 1 with a view to prising him out of the Panthers.

The 20-year-old is off contract at the end of 2019 and is sure to attract an army of suitors, including Ivan’s Wests Tigers.

But Cleary, who still lives at home, is adamant contract discussions are not brought up over Cornflakes.

“Like any player they want to chase, he might offer something to me when the time is right,” Cleary jnr said of a likely approach from the Tigers.

“But that’s not for now. I’ve still got two years left on my contract so there’s plenty of time to talk.

“I’ve come to an agreement with Penrith that we’ll not talk about it for the rest of the year and will wait until the season is over.

“I’m more than happy at the moment. I just to play some footy and talk about it later.”

Cleary is cut from the same unflappable cloth as his father, so it’s little surprise he is so relaxed about the pending circus over his next move.

It’s the same attitude he’s taken to reports of unrest at the Panthers in the wake of Bryce Cartwright and Matt Moylan departing the club.

Cleary said: “The media probably made it bigger than it really was.

“No-one likes to see friends leave but that’s footy these days.

“I’m more than happy there and I think everyone’s pretty happy.

“We’re a tight bunch of mates and we’re looking forward to playing with each other.”

lol . i just posted the same thing in the ''NATHAN CLEARY" topic..

 

[Needaname]

Can we get back to the Roosters and TPAs please,
Say the NRL anonymously publishes the player affiliated TPAs aligned to each club and the result is we are dead last on the table.
Couple of questions to arise from this….
How do we feel as fans about our club.
Beaten and embarrassed that we can’t compete, disappointed that our club hasn’t got that support or united and ignited in the fight against the power clubs.
And does the lack of corporate support add fuel to the too many clubs in Sydney debate and provide the media with just the ammunition needed to push the case that our only options are to relocate or fold?
I’m curious what could eventuate from this being made public!

 

[Needaname]

Reason being Paul Kent made a statement last night using us and the Roosters as an example and stated that if we knew what financially we were up against we’d feel more justified if the result went against us.

 

[jadtiger]

Reason being Paul Kent made a statement last night using us and the Roosters as an example and stated that if we knew what financially we were up against we’d feel more justified if the result went against us.

Unfortunately showing "legal TPA" figures would only show a small part of the divide.It is the "illegal" ones which hurt.This is where the true difference lies between the big dollar clubs and the rest.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Its a relevant debate about the saturation within the Sydney marketplace. I dont necessary think it is a population debate, but Brisbane has 40% the population of Sydney with 1 team _compared to Sydney with 8\. The ethnicity of the greater Sydney population is a greater concern in relation to the traditional orientation of RL followers.\
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Either way, the real numbers are the economy within both regions. The numbers dont really change with Brisbane having a $150b economy compared to Sydneys $330b. This highlights to me that Sydney is an over saturated marketplace within the national rugby league landscape and something needs to change.\
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Commercially, I'd be looking at new marketplaces to take my business to. But, personally the Wests Tigers have already made their sacrifice within the Sydney landscape and its up to other franchises to do the heavy lifting!_

 

[jadtiger]

Its a relevant debate about the saturation within the Sydney marketplace. I dont necessary think it is a population debate, but Brisbane has 40% the population of Sydney with 1 team _compared to Sydney with 8\. The ethnicity of the greater Sydney population is a greater concern in relation to the traditional orientation of RL followers.\
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Either way, the real numbers are the economy within both regions. The numbers dont really change with Brisbane having a $150b economy compared to Sydneys $330b. This highlights to me that Sydney is an over saturated marketplace within the national rugby league landscape and something needs to change.\
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Commercially, I'd be looking at new marketplaces to take my business to. But, personally the Wests Tigers have already made their sacrifice within the Sydney landscape and its up to other franchises to do the heavy lifting!_

_I would argue that Brisbane is woefully underutilised it needs 1 -2 more clubs in its city but the donkeys will never agree to an equal playing field.No Sydney club would voluntarily leave Sydney and nor should they_

 

[jirskyr]

The problem with both the comparisons of TPA's is it only factors in the NRL approved ones.

The RLPA is zero chance of agreeing to access to players financials.

The only way to develop system is a points system… While money is involved, there will ALWAYS be corruption!

100% agreed…..There are a 101 ways you can pay a player extra without attracting the salary cap auditor. The only system that will work is a point system. Doubt we will ever see it because it would appear powerful people do not want a level playing field

I don't agree, a points system is flawed and could potentially subject to legal action. NRL cannot restrain trade, that is why TPAs exist. If NRL was to arbitrarily assign points to players, it would directly influence the relative value of players and hence their potential earnings, and would be challenged.

The system of how you might determine player points would be subject to constant argument, just like how fantasy football works, where you assign X points for something you (or a committee) feels is relevant.

Do you assign points only or also cap the salary? Because you'd end up in the same place, where Roosters can afford the "best" 10s, the best 9s, the best 8s etc. and would not be subject to financial restrictions. Also, often the "value" of a player is dependent on the club, not what a centralised body might decide is the relative value.

Can anyone show me any professional sport anywhere in the world where a centralised points system is applied to teams, rather than a salary cap?

 

[Cairnstigers]

Why doesn't the ATO do an audit on the top players incomes

Look at there contracts
Look at any 3rd party payments
Make sure all taxes are paid
Even taxes on the brown paper bags they recieve
Taxes on gifts they receive
If they are receiving payments from 3rd parties it must be reported as income
If they are married or in a defacto relationship and thier spouse receives partial payment it should also be reported to the ATO along with who made the payment

Surely the NRL has a right to some of this information if in fact players and club's are breaking the cap rules

Has the Nrl ever given consideration that the salary cap rorting may be just one of the reasons many people have stopped going to the game
We are all getting fed up and want an even playing field on and off the field

 

[Cairnstigers]

Is it possible that some clubs are paying managers fees direct so players receive the full contract amount

 

[Tiger_Watto]

the ATO already does audits, but the NRL has no rights to the information

 

[happy_tiger]

Teo has nothing on.moses or moltzen

Nick Graham deserves a honourable mention , stepping out of the way of Piggy Riddell when the Saints put 50 on us for the last try , trying to recall , did Easts put 50 on us the week before or after

Was the Saints game the one at Kogarah when it was pouring rain?
If so that was one of my worst experiences at a footy game, sitting on the hill in pouring rain, getting flogged, couldn't leave as I was still alive in the doubles with Jason Moody as my second try scorer. He almost scored twice, what a horrible day.

It was raining tries , not sure about rain , didn't think so

 

[newtiger]

The problem with both the comparisons of TPA's is it only factors in the NRL approved ones.

The RLPA is zero chance of agreeing to access to players financials.

The only way to develop system is a points system… While money is involved, there will ALWAYS be corruption!

100% agreed…..There are a 101 ways you can pay a player extra without attracting the salary cap auditor. The only system that will work is a point system. Doubt we will ever see it because it would appear powerful people do not want a level playing field

I don't agree, a points system is flawed and could potentially subject to legal action. NRL cannot restrain trade, that is why TPAs exist. If NRL was to arbitrarily assign points to players, it would directly influence the relative value of players and hence their potential earnings, and would be challenged.

The system of how you might determine player points would be subject to constant argument, just like how fantasy football works, where you assign X points for something you (or a committee) feels is relevant.

Do you assign points only or also cap the salary? Because you'd end up in the same place, where Roosters can afford the "best" 10s, the best 9s, the best 8s etc. and would not be subject to financial restrictions. Also, often the "value" of a player is dependent on the club, not what a centralised body might decide is the relative value.

Can anyone show me any professional sport anywhere in the world where a centralised points system is applied to teams, rather than a salary cap?

The NRL can set or change any rule they want to, if a certain club doesn't like it then they can hand in the Franchise licence.
While ever you have a cap and Brown paper bags there is never going to be a level playing field.

 

[coivtny]

the ATO already does audits, but the NRL has no rights to the information

Spot on. The secrecy provisions of the _Taxation Administration Act_ prohibit the ATO from disclosing information to third parties unless the Act specifically allows disclosure (e.g to the Australian Federal Police) or the third party themselves authorise disclosure.