Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029663) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029645) said:
@Geo will Dillon and Scolari be considered for development contracts? Both have a lot of what we are short of.

You'd think that would depend on who else we can recruit externally. Already 3 development players signed for next year by the sounds of it: Cini and possibly Simpkin and Garner.

Henry LP is a dev player but was only promoted early this year so he may still be on a dev contract next year. You'd certainly hope he's not on an NRL squad next year at least! Otherwise our squad would already be practically full.

This is also why it's imperative to not re-sign Benji and Robbie. Unless we can offload Reynolds Benji has to go.

If Marshall goes and Reynolds doesn't, Marshall will have to be replaced with another 5/8 on a similar size of contract - ie not much. His departure isn't going to make much difference to the quality or makeup of the squad unless we hit a lottery ticket of a 5/8 that no-one else wants to pay for.
 
@2041 That is a very good point...Marshall staying on for 2020 will only cost us ~$150k, not much and will have minimal impact to our recruitment for next year
 
@tigerap said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029682) said:
@2041 That is a very good point...Marshall staying on for 2020 will only cost us ~$150k, not much and will have minimal impact to our recruitment for next year

At $150k Marshall is a bargain imo.
 
@tigerap I would say we have a better chance as he was signed in 2017 for 2018 season start and he played all year and half of this year.
Elephant in the room - If we were Souths or Roosters it would not even be a problem and would of happened already :wink: :wink:
 
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029679) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029663) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029645) said:
@Geo will Dillon and Scolari be considered for development contracts? Both have a lot of what we are short of.

You'd think that would depend on who else we can recruit externally. Already 3 development players signed for next year by the sounds of it: Cini and possibly Simpkin and Garner.

Henry LP is a dev player but was only promoted early this year so he may still be on a dev contract next year. You'd certainly hope he's not on an NRL squad next year at least! Otherwise our squad would already be practically full.

This is also why it's imperative to not re-sign Benji and Robbie. Unless we can offload Reynolds Benji has to go.

If Marshall goes and Reynolds doesn't, Marshall will have to be replaced with another 5/8 on a similar size of contract - ie not much. His departure isn't going to make much difference to the quality or makeup of the squad unless we hit a lottery ticket of a 5/8 that no-one else wants to pay for.

Next year we will have Brooks, Reynolds and Madden as noted halves with Mbye, Matto and Talau capable of also playing there.

Are you happy with our current squad? If we re-sign Liddle, Aloiai, Benji and Marshall we will have one spot left, and we're pretty much going to have the same squad next year as we do now. Everyone seems to lament our lack of pace and power, yet no one wants to release any of our current players except those on the most money.

He hasn't played there for us yet, but I wouldn't mind Talau getting a crack at 5/8 if Reynolds is out. His size will help in defence, and he can do a bit of everything. Of course if we offload Reynolds we can buy an established 5/8.

I can also see the club looking at a

6. Brooks
7. Madden

partnership in a year or two's time.
 
G'day @teddy23 : to use your words," if I was in charge of recruitment"/player retention I would be telling Robbie Farah his services are no longer required IN ANY WAY once his contract is finished. He will be recorded as a great Tigers player obviously but in my opinion, he will also be recorded as a huge pain in the a..e. Along with his mate Michelle Moses:skull_and_crossbones: , they caused so much damage to our Wests Tigers we are still recovering and will be for some time to come. Personally, I admire Jason Taylor for having the strength to stand up to Robbie and I believe Jason was chosen as coach for that very reason. I also believe Tedesco and Woods would still be at the Tigers today but they weren't able to avoid being led astray by Farah and Moses as they all had the same manager. And for that reason, I feel they may well both return to the Tigers one day in the near future.:relaxed:
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029485) said:
@851 Nikora and Teig Wilton are two good young forwards we should look at


Nikora yes
Wilton is overrated because of family connections
 
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029688) said:
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029679) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029663) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029645) said:
@Geo will Dillon and Scolari be considered for development contracts? Both have a lot of what we are short of.

You'd think that would depend on who else we can recruit externally. Already 3 development players signed for next year by the sounds of it: Cini and possibly Simpkin and Garner.

Henry LP is a dev player but was only promoted early this year so he may still be on a dev contract next year. You'd certainly hope he's not on an NRL squad next year at least! Otherwise our squad would already be practically full.

This is also why it's imperative to not re-sign Benji and Robbie. Unless we can offload Reynolds Benji has to go.

If Marshall goes and Reynolds doesn't, Marshall will have to be replaced with another 5/8 on a similar size of contract - ie not much. His departure isn't going to make much difference to the quality or makeup of the squad unless we hit a lottery ticket of a 5/8 that no-one else wants to pay for.

Next year we will have Brooks, Reynolds and Madden as noted halves with Mbye, Matto and Talau capable of also playing there.

Are you happy with our current squad? If we re-sign Liddle, Aloiai, Benji and Marshall we will have one spot left, and we're pretty much going to have the same squad next year as we do now. Everyone seems to lament our lack of pace and power, yet no one wants to release any of our current players except those on the most money.

He hasn't played there for us yet, but I wouldn't mind Talau getting a crack at 5/8 if Reynolds is out. His size will help in defence, and he can do a bit of everything. Of course if we offload Reynolds we can buy an established 5/8.

I can also see the club looking at a

6. Brooks
7. Madden

partnership in a year or two's time.

You're confusing two things. No, I'm not happy with the current squad. But freeing up the money we're currently spending on Benji Marshall isn't going to do much to improve it, barring hitting on a lottery ticket. I don't know how many times I need to say this: THE PROBLEM IS REYNOLDS. Until he's gone, we can't fix the halves long term.

There is no way we're going to go into 2020 with our 5/8 options being Reynolds (always injured, coach doesn't seem to rate him anyway), Madden (totally unproven) and someone playing out of position. Sorry, I take some of that back: I;m not going to claim to have a view on Madden - perhaps Maguire thinks he's ready to be first choice in first grade. I doubt it, but you never know.

I'm not some one-eyed Benji backer. I'd be delighted to see someone better line up in the 6 next year. But getting him out of the squad simply doesn't make much difference: someone needs to play at 5/8, we can't count on Reynolds doing it and Marshall's salary won't give us many options for a replacement.

It's not that I don't want to release players on small contracts, it's that doing so doesn't make much difference. You lose a player on minimum contract or close to it and you just replace them with another one. It may be possible to do better than Benji Marshall for next to no money but it's far from guaranteed, and if we let him walk we will be signing another 5/8.
 
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029697) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029688) said:
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029679) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029663) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029645) said:
@Geo will Dillon and Scolari be considered for development contracts? Both have a lot of what we are short of.

You'd think that would depend on who else we can recruit externally. Already 3 development players signed for next year by the sounds of it: Cini and possibly Simpkin and Garner.

Henry LP is a dev player but was only promoted early this year so he may still be on a dev contract next year. You'd certainly hope he's not on an NRL squad next year at least! Otherwise our squad would already be practically full.

This is also why it's imperative to not re-sign Benji and Robbie. Unless we can offload Reynolds Benji has to go.

If Marshall goes and Reynolds doesn't, Marshall will have to be replaced with another 5/8 on a similar size of contract - ie not much. His departure isn't going to make much difference to the quality or makeup of the squad unless we hit a lottery ticket of a 5/8 that no-one else wants to pay for.

Next year we will have Brooks, Reynolds and Madden as noted halves with Mbye, Matto and Talau capable of also playing there.

Are you happy with our current squad? If we re-sign Liddle, Aloiai, Benji and Marshall we will have one spot left, and we're pretty much going to have the same squad next year as we do now. Everyone seems to lament our lack of pace and power, yet no one wants to release any of our current players except those on the most money.

He hasn't played there for us yet, but I wouldn't mind Talau getting a crack at 5/8 if Reynolds is out. His size will help in defence, and he can do a bit of everything. Of course if we offload Reynolds we can buy an established 5/8.

I can also see the club looking at a

6. Brooks
7. Madden

partnership in a year or two's time.

You're confusing two things. No, I'm not happy with the current squad. But freeing up the money we're currently spending on Benji Marshall isn't going to do much to improve it, barring hitting on a lottery ticket. I don't know how many times I need to say this: THE PROBLEM IS REYNOLDS. Until he's gone, we can't fix the halves long term.

There is no way we're going to go into 2020 with our 5/8 options being Reynolds (always injured, coach doesn't seem to rate him anyway), Madden (totally unproven) and someone playing out of position. Sorry, I take some of that back: I;m not going to claim to have a view on Madden - perhaps Maguire thinks he's ready to be first choice in first grade. I doubt it, but you never know.

I'm not some one-eyed Benji backer. I'd be delighted to see someone better line up in the 6 next year. But getting him out of the squad simply doesn't make much difference: someone needs to play at 5/8, we can't count on Reynolds doing it and Marshall's salary won't give us many options for a replacement.

It's not that I don't want to release players on small contracts, it's that doing so doesn't make much difference. You lose a player on minimum contract or close to it and you just replace them with another one. It may be possible to do better than Benji Marshall for next to no money but it's far from guaranteed, and if we let him walk we will be signing another 5/8.

It's about squad balance. If we already have 5/30 players capable of playing 5/8 then is it a position of priority? We could sign a Sezer, Keighan, Cust etc type if needs be.

And sometimes clubs need to back youth. We have both the 2018 Aussie schoolboys halves. One of them could do a job next to the Dally M halfback of the year if needs be. They will have their ups and downs but no more than what Benji does.

We can then sign some more props or forwards to help the halves have the space they need to perform.
 
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029707) said:
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029697) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029688) said:
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029679) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029663) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029645) said:
@Geo will Dillon and Scolari be considered for development contracts? Both have a lot of what we are short of.

You'd think that would depend on who else we can recruit externally. Already 3 development players signed for next year by the sounds of it: Cini and possibly Simpkin and Garner.

Henry LP is a dev player but was only promoted early this year so he may still be on a dev contract next year. You'd certainly hope he's not on an NRL squad next year at least! Otherwise our squad would already be practically full.

This is also why it's imperative to not re-sign Benji and Robbie. Unless we can offload Reynolds Benji has to go.

If Marshall goes and Reynolds doesn't, Marshall will have to be replaced with another 5/8 on a similar size of contract - ie not much. His departure isn't going to make much difference to the quality or makeup of the squad unless we hit a lottery ticket of a 5/8 that no-one else wants to pay for.

Next year we will have Brooks, Reynolds and Madden as noted halves with Mbye, Matto and Talau capable of also playing there.

Are you happy with our current squad? If we re-sign Liddle, Aloiai, Benji and Marshall we will have one spot left, and we're pretty much going to have the same squad next year as we do now. Everyone seems to lament our lack of pace and power, yet no one wants to release any of our current players except those on the most money.

He hasn't played there for us yet, but I wouldn't mind Talau getting a crack at 5/8 if Reynolds is out. His size will help in defence, and he can do a bit of everything. Of course if we offload Reynolds we can buy an established 5/8.

I can also see the club looking at a

6. Brooks
7. Madden

partnership in a year or two's time.

You're confusing two things. No, I'm not happy with the current squad. But freeing up the money we're currently spending on Benji Marshall isn't going to do much to improve it, barring hitting on a lottery ticket. I don't know how many times I need to say this: THE PROBLEM IS REYNOLDS. Until he's gone, we can't fix the halves long term.

There is no way we're going to go into 2020 with our 5/8 options being Reynolds (always injured, coach doesn't seem to rate him anyway), Madden (totally unproven) and someone playing out of position. Sorry, I take some of that back: I;m not going to claim to have a view on Madden - perhaps Maguire thinks he's ready to be first choice in first grade. I doubt it, but you never know.

I'm not some one-eyed Benji backer. I'd be delighted to see someone better line up in the 6 next year. But getting him out of the squad simply doesn't make much difference: someone needs to play at 5/8, we can't count on Reynolds doing it and Marshall's salary won't give us many options for a replacement.

It's not that I don't want to release players on small contracts, it's that doing so doesn't make much difference. You lose a player on minimum contract or close to it and you just replace them with another one. It may be possible to do better than Benji Marshall for next to no money but it's far from guaranteed, and if we let him walk we will be signing another 5/8.

It's about squad balance. If we already have 5/30 players capable of playing 5/8 then is it a position of priority? We could sign a Sezer, Keighan, Cust etc type if needs be.

And sometimes clubs need to back youth. We have both the 2018 Aussie schoolboys halves. One of them could do a job next to the Dally M halfback of the year if needs be. They will have their ups and downs but no more than what Benji does.

We can then sign some more props or forwards to help the halves have the space they need to perform.

You can believe what you like, but in the real world we are not going into 2020 with Reynolds, a 19 year old who isn't even in our top 30 at the moment and a bunch of fill-ins as our 5/8 options. Saying we have 5/30 players capable of playing 5/8 is meaningless: without Marshall, the current top 30 has one actual 5/8 in it and he has played half a dozen games in a season and a half.

There will be another specialist half, and if it's not Marshall there's still not going to be cap room available from releasing Marshall sufficient to add much elsewhere in the squad. You seem to be fixated on the idea that if we can just get Benji Marshall off the books we'll be able to strengthen elsewhere. You're dreaming.
 
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029722) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029707) said:
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029697) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029688) said:
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029679) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029663) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029645) said:
@Geo will Dillon and Scolari be considered for development contracts? Both have a lot of what we are short of.

You'd think that would depend on who else we can recruit externally. Already 3 development players signed for next year by the sounds of it: Cini and possibly Simpkin and Garner.

Henry LP is a dev player but was only promoted early this year so he may still be on a dev contract next year. You'd certainly hope he's not on an NRL squad next year at least! Otherwise our squad would already be practically full.

This is also why it's imperative to not re-sign Benji and Robbie. Unless we can offload Reynolds Benji has to go.

If Marshall goes and Reynolds doesn't, Marshall will have to be replaced with another 5/8 on a similar size of contract - ie not much. His departure isn't going to make much difference to the quality or makeup of the squad unless we hit a lottery ticket of a 5/8 that no-one else wants to pay for.

Next year we will have Brooks, Reynolds and Madden as noted halves with Mbye, Matto and Talau capable of also playing there.

Are you happy with our current squad? If we re-sign Liddle, Aloiai, Benji and Marshall we will have one spot left, and we're pretty much going to have the same squad next year as we do now. Everyone seems to lament our lack of pace and power, yet no one wants to release any of our current players except those on the most money.

He hasn't played there for us yet, but I wouldn't mind Talau getting a crack at 5/8 if Reynolds is out. His size will help in defence, and he can do a bit of everything. Of course if we offload Reynolds we can buy an established 5/8.

I can also see the club looking at a

6. Brooks
7. Madden

partnership in a year or two's time.

You're confusing two things. No, I'm not happy with the current squad. But freeing up the money we're currently spending on Benji Marshall isn't going to do much to improve it, barring hitting on a lottery ticket. I don't know how many times I need to say this: THE PROBLEM IS REYNOLDS. Until he's gone, we can't fix the halves long term.

There is no way we're going to go into 2020 with our 5/8 options being Reynolds (always injured, coach doesn't seem to rate him anyway), Madden (totally unproven) and someone playing out of position. Sorry, I take some of that back: I;m not going to claim to have a view on Madden - perhaps Maguire thinks he's ready to be first choice in first grade. I doubt it, but you never know.

I'm not some one-eyed Benji backer. I'd be delighted to see someone better line up in the 6 next year. But getting him out of the squad simply doesn't make much difference: someone needs to play at 5/8, we can't count on Reynolds doing it and Marshall's salary won't give us many options for a replacement.

It's not that I don't want to release players on small contracts, it's that doing so doesn't make much difference. You lose a player on minimum contract or close to it and you just replace them with another one. It may be possible to do better than Benji Marshall for next to no money but it's far from guaranteed, and if we let him walk we will be signing another 5/8.

It's about squad balance. If we already have 5/30 players capable of playing 5/8 then is it a position of priority? We could sign a Sezer, Keighan, Cust etc type if needs be.

And sometimes clubs need to back youth. We have both the 2018 Aussie schoolboys halves. One of them could do a job next to the Dally M halfback of the year if needs be. They will have their ups and downs but no more than what Benji does.

We can then sign some more props or forwards to help the halves have the space they need to perform.

You can believe what you like, but in the real world we are not going into 2020 with Reynolds, a 19 year old who isn't even in our top 30 at the moment and a bunch of fill-ins as our 5/8 options. Saying we have 5/30 players capable of playing 5/8 is meaningless: without Marshall, the current top 30 has one actual 5/8 in it and he has played half a dozen games in a season and a half.

There will be another specialist half, and if it's not Marshall there's still not going to be cap room available from releasing Marshall sufficient to add much elsewhere in the squad. You seem to be fixated on the idea that if we can just get Benji Marshall off the books we'll be able to strengthen elsewhere. You're dreaming.

Really not sure if you understand cap management. You need to have a combo of highly paid an lowly paid players. Sometimes you have to play the kids on lower contracts. Clubs do it all the time. Why wouldn't we?

We have around 300 games of NRL halves experience (excluding Brooks) in our top squad for next year. These are players with Origin experience too. Not exactly nobodies. If we re-sign Benji that's one fewer squad positions we have to recruit with for next season. Be that a forward or a replacement half. Going for a younger option, particularly a goal kicking one, is not any worse than having someone as erratic as Benji. Brooks needs to lead the team anyway, he will be our dominant half in 2020.
 
I think we can trust that Maguire knows a little more about cap management and the talent he has available to him more than anyone on here - and because of that he will make the most informed decisions.,
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1029645) said:
@Geo will Dillon and Scolari be considered for development contracts? Both have a lot of what we are short of.

I think there just on flegg cotracts atm but young enough to go into development contracts next year..

Henry Lealuga-Puhotau is also a development player this year but will stay in development in 2020 before moving into NRL squad in 2021..noticed he was named on the bench this week in CC...
 
Madden won’t be ready till 2021 at the earliest...benji will also go around again with Reynolds as a depth half
 
@Jimmy yeah Madden is still a while a way, has some growing to do and still has to build his confidence up.
 































The Lurker: Wests Tigers to medically retire Ben Matulino?

Would be a huge development.

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Matulino to be medically retired?


Wests Tigers are considering trying to medically retire prop Ben Matulino in a bid to get him off the club's books.

The Kiwi international is 30 and has a chronic knee injury that has hampered his performances this season.

The club has told rival teams that Matulino is up for sale - despite the fact he has two years left on his contract.

But there have been no takers and the Tigers are now reportedly considering the more drastic move of attempting to medically retire the former Warriors star.

An independent doctor would have to rule on Matulino's injury and he would get the money he is entitled - but it would free up considerable space in the Tigers' salary cap as they attempt to rebuild for next season.
 
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