Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[momo_amp_medo]

Are you guys finished having hissing fits?
This thread heading is “Signing Suggestions & Rumours” ..... let’s stick to that ..... please.

 

[Masterton]

@Russell He wasn’t talking to people, or you, hi post tagged Willow and Jirskir as they posted pure conjecture that there is a remedy for from a source within the club. I don’t need to prove anything to you or even respond you utter flog, but because you’ve tagged somebody that posted absolutely nothing outta line I’m going to be stand up and say something , this is why Tigers forum is best and no one can resist coming back here to make an profile . You obviously have one problem with his post and that is it’s not an opinion?? Or it is rude and yet I fail to see where he put anybody down ☝️

Get off your high horse you imbecile. Accidentally mis licked previous post Thank you to person who reminded me 🙂

Geebus. I've read this twice and still don't understand it.

 

[Masterton]

@Tigerboy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1051853):
>Paps NEVER wanted to leave and obviously this has come from close friends... he seems a great guy and a Madge style of player that really we should’ve held onto at all costs

This is what he actually said:
We heard Teddy was going to stay, that he was locked in at the Tigers," Papenhuyzen said.
"So I was going to be behind Teddy, or go to Melbourne and be behind Billy.
"Financially the deals with the Tigers and Melbourne were similar. But if I wanted longevity, the place to go was Melbourne.

Sounds like he wanted to leave.....

 

[Tigerboy]

@Bones absolutely - I mean, in all (or 99%) of fans minds, we’d have been nuts to even slightly jeopardise Tedesco staying in order to keep Pappy, it’s just something that never happens at other clubs if it’s even looking like there’s a slight chance said player might leave... even the knights have a back up plan for Ponga but obviously no guarantees he could be anywhere near as good.

With Ted and Paps I am seriously saddened because it’s looking like Ryan’s career might follow even a somewhat similar trajectory... if they’d been Roosters juniors (oh, wait, don’t have any) that both came off contract at the same time and even if they had to offer a similar figure to another club trying to poach one of them - their top managers and Human Resources at the club would be in full swing in order to avoid getting wishbone’d and losing both enormously talented players... I agree it’s totally hypothetical. Will still be looked at as one of our many stuff-ups in a short history even if the majority of people’s common sense told them that Pap’s wouldn’t have stayed anyway...

I tend to agree because of how Ted behaved after we stuck around waiting by the phone for months with no updates.

That was a complete power trip by him also, it could be easily argued seeing that from your idol/the player currently holding your first grade position is another one of the many reasons (stuff-ups) we made in not retaining Ryan Pap and for mine makes J.T as bad as Woods... not quite as slimy as Mitch

 

[juicY]

@Masterton somebody from inside the club confirmed to a ‘player manager’ that Ted was locked up??? Sounds like you really do have no idea what’s going on
Happy to leave it if you are...
My previous post was in response to Geo and Russell, mate, disregard it

 

[WT2K]

From the Lurker (I know🙄) few responses to questions asked.

Curtis Scott - The Lurker: On contract at the Storm until 2021 - Melbourne would let him go in a heartbeat if a club wanted him.

Ikuvalu heading to Concord?

The Lurker: Heard the Tigers have made enquirers

 

[Nelson]

From the Lurker (I know🙄) few responses to questions asked.

Curtis Scott - The Lurker: On contract at the Storm until 2021 - Melbourne would let him go in a heartbeat if a club wanted him.

Ikuvalu heading to Concord?

The Lurker: Heard the Tigers have made enquirers

Ikuvalu just seems like a sideways signing. He'd be fine as depth if we had roster spots available but we don't and another "ok" level winger/centre is well down the shopping list... I'd be very happy with Curtis Scott but I doubt we have the cap space to afford him for 2020 at the moment.

 

[2005magic]

@Nelson - I suspect that behind the scenes there is some movement on our band of unwanted players meaning we actually will have a little bit of cap space and an extra spot or two to fill. Just have to await the dotting of the i's and crossing of the t's.

Thats my hope anyway.

 

[WT2K]

From the Lurker (I know🙄) few responses to questions asked.

Curtis Scott - The Lurker: On contract at the Storm until 2021 - Melbourne would let him go in a heartbeat if a club wanted him.

Ikuvalu heading to Concord?

The Lurker: Heard the Tigers have made enquirers

Also asked about Reynolds and Taylor swap.

The Lurker: Not so much of a swap, but there are Tigers officials who have reached out to Titans officials to promote Reynolds' credentials.

 

[juicY]

@WT2K swapping Gin N Taylor for Josh Reynolds ? I say NO thank you 😛

 

[jirskyr]

all successful teams from the past few years have clearly shown that… they don’t have many Heleta’s/Rochows/McQueen’s in their squad…

We don't have many Rochows or McQueens either, just one of each.

Roosters absolutely have nuffies in their Top 30 - in 2018 blokes like Mitch Cornish, Mitch Frei, Kurt Baptiste, Paul Momirovski (see what I did there), FPN, Sean O'Sullivan, Reece Robinson, Bernard Lewis, Josh Curran, Eloni Vunakece, Reuben Porter, Brock Gray, Chris Smith.

It's self-evident - most of those blokes I mentioned are no longer at Roosters and not playing regular FG at other clubs in 2019.

The successful teams have a core 20-odd players of high standing and get through the season without major injury concerns. Any team that starts reaching far into their Top 30 on a regular basis is ultimately going to struggle.

So you do let go of Australian Schoolboys, teams are doing it all the time. Because schoolboys are kids and unproven at senior level, and not every schoolboy makes it.

And to prove you don't know what you are talking about, just this year Roosters released Sean O'Sullivan to Broncos and Josh Curran to Warriors, and both are former Australian Schoolboys. In 2016 Roosters released Jackson Hastings and he's an Australian schoolboy as well.

 

[jirskyr]

Wow I’m surprised I’ve had to leave this much detail but for you it’s like talking to a brick wall sometimes hey

To go through and say, line by line, "nah they didn't regret him" isn't much argument. I can say the same thing with Tigers. Legitimately the only 2 players I regret losing in the last 10 years are Tedesco and Fifita.

Everyone else... I mean Tigers often have an ordinary roster anyway, so how can we be that disappointed of players leaving? Most players that leave Tigers go on to do no much at all, as a percentage of the turnover of players every year.

 

[matchball]

Let Robbie go around again. At this point what's another season wasted? Better that than signing a another dud to 2 or 3 year deal.
Costs basically nothing, he'd probably pay us to let him play.

 

[Tigerboy]

@jirskyr @jirskyr Hastings got more than a fair go though, did he not?

Curran was trash and proven to be so... Sullivan I’ve never even heard of 😂 but as if you’re gonna compare the Broncs juniors with ours, it just doesn’t fly mate. None of the other players were Australian schoolboys and you failed to note more than 5 or 6 in a 30+ man squad. My case in point!

To further prove that you don’t understand what you’re communicating to me is that my initial post to you completely disproved that the club’s who usually end up at the pointy end of the season (over the past decade) are releasing genuinely talented Aust. Schoolboys that most good judges rate a great upcoming talent...

If. they need to let go of an absolute star it is usually, if not ALWAYS, because they’re then able to replace said player with a like for like talent.

Some players need a fresh start and as I said with Sironen, possibly even G.I moving to the bunnies is that to realise a full career’s potential sometimes fresh pastures are needed. Folau is a great example of a lamented loss except for the fact that he went to Union (lol) and when the Roosters let Pearce go after all his years of service - they had a wild Cooper Cronk lined up (who Melbourne and Bellamy wisely decided that, at that price and stage of his career, was surplus to requirements).

Still, a great decision for the Roosters but not one that I would’ve been totally comfortable with us making given our problems with getting Marquee performances from any star players we’ve ever really lured across from one of the aforementioned teams over the years. Even the Rabbitohs are now seeing why ‘The Jet’ isn’t much good on his own with nothing doing inside or out. We needed to retain quality juniors. If not Ryan, then Junior Tatola or at the very least Nathan Brown: a player with exactly the kind of attitude sorely lacking at the club, and sometimes right here on the forum.

None of the above situations could’ve/would’ve ever occurred his as proven by the utterly disgraceful mismanagement of M. Suli situation - even if he did bring it upon himself - where there was no effort to subsidise any value on his contract and he DID not want to leave, nor was there really any significant attempt to player manage as Madge is finally now able to do at our club.

I do not support the club’s decision in letting Paps go without ever giving him serious consideration and letting him walk after they ever so slightly upped our initial offer - you add a year and tell him that if Teddy hasn’t extended during the season preceding 2018, then he’ll get his shot and on some kind of performance gauge where it seems he would’ve really given James a run for his money.

Yes, in hindsight, we let a good one go to try and keep a complete Knob and that DOES happen in rugby league... simply happens far too often at a club like ours.

You disagree? I honestly rest my case, your honour!

 

[jirskyr]

@Bones absolutely - I mean, in all (or 99%) of fans minds, we’d have been nuts to even slightly jeopardise Tedesco staying in order to keep Pappy, it’s just something that never happens at other clubs if it’s even looking like there’s a slight chance said player might leave... even the knights have a back up plan for Ponga but obviously no guarantees he could be anywhere near as good.

I don't even know what this means. Every club has a backup plan for every player - that's what reserve grade is. That's what junior sides are.

If the backup is a substantially lesser footballer, well that's another discussion entirely.

But it's all besides the point, Paps himself said Tigers and Melbourne had equal money, he left to join the Melbourne system, get out from under Tedesco, learn from a soon-retiring Slater etc. That ends up not being Tigers' decision, but player's decision. We don't have infinite money to be beating everyone's offers. That's called "paying overs", which a catchphrase that makes some people on here get hysterical.

 

[Newtown]

@Tigerboy I totally agree also. Our forum of supporters must sound like true losers to other club supporters and potential new player recruits who read this forum.

 

[jirskyr]

Ikuvalu just seems like a sideways signing.

No, apparently Ikuvalu is a totally rad footballer, because from some of the previous arguments in this thread, successful teams like Roosters have strong backup plans for all their frontline players.

 

[Tigerboy]

@jirskyr Fifita was a massive loss but at the time we definitely had better than an AVG, roster as you’ve claimed. Martin Taupau was an even bigger loss, what was our legitimately fair enough reasoning from the club there?

Fifita had a terrible attitude here, as did Ben Teo’s Of the world anywhere else... how about James Gavet? He seems to be doing okay still... I get the argument you’re trying to make but our problems are so many before we even get to “lamenting” recruitment and retention decisions, or stuff that is totally out of our hands, that’s it’s kinda fruitless to try and much less engage the others that wanna cry over spilt milky

Am just fed up with previous management in the club about this, but they’re all gone now, and the club is moving forward so what is there really to be bitter about? As I said teddy’s a knob

 

[Tigerboy]

@jirskyr Baptiste’ not even half bad mate... Vunakece was awesome for mine before concussions forced his retirement, FPN was a squad filler and retired right after. Momirovski is totally undecided on yet (how does that count towards your point?)

Sorry to pick single lines again I find it’s easier to explain how I don’t understand your angle yet respect your opinion nonetheless.

 

[jirskyr]

Hastings got more than a fair go though, did he not?
Curran was trash and proven to be so… Sullivan I’ve never even heard of but as if you’re gonna compare the Broncs juniors with ours, it just doesn’t fly mate. None of the other players were Australian schoolboys and you failed to note more than 5 or 6 in a 30+ man squad. My case in point!

Honestly a lot of your stuff, I find hard to understand and I'm not familiar with you posting before, but I'll try to respond.

I quote you literally:
>Mate??? Maybe Teddy will come back one day?? You don’t let go of Australian schoolboys even if u do have one hell of a player in front of them - all successful teams from the past few years have clearly shown that

I just showed you that Roosters, the current premiers, let go of several Australian Schoolboys, even 2 just this year. But you have excuses for those ones.

I don't really understand the rest of what you said; I didn't talk about Broncos juniors, just that Roosters released Sean O'Sullivan to the Broncos in 2019. He's 21, he's not a junior any more.