Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

@Spacecub said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073528) said:
Why would we upgrade brooks by 200k

Luke was allegedly on $550k for 2019 and his new contract was for 2020-2023 which I've considered to be $750k per season. It's speculation for sure and its tough to know if his 2019 payment was already upgraded, if it was we would be $200k better off
 
@Curly_Tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073531) said:
@Spacecub said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073528) said:
Why would we upgrade brooks by 200k

Luke was allegedly on $550k for 2019 and his new contract was for 2020-2023 which I've considered to be $750k per season. It's speculation for sure and its tough to know if his 2019 payment was already upgraded, if it was we would be $200k better off

Fair enough curly....imo he ain't worth 750
 
@diedpretty said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073492) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073424) said:
@tigeress said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073296) said:
@cochise Yes if that makes it a more level playing field. TPA's should definitely be banned :+1 said:
You can't just ban TPAs, you would be banning players from all endorsements or even media work. There is just no way to do it that is fair on players.

No you wouldn't - ban TPA's - players can earn whatever they like through endorsements, advertising etc as long as it is organised solely by the player or his manager. Any sniff of any club having any involvement whatsoever including referring the player or manager to a mate who might help ( yea you Politis ) then the club should be fined and all points stripped. And keep penalising them until its eradicated. Maybe then clubs will be a little more cautious about cheating the cap.

I don't get your point. Players earning whatever they like through endorsements and advertising IS what TPAs are.

It's already illegal for clubs having any involvement in TPAs and if the NRL can prove it they'll fine the club or add to the cap. It happened with Parra's sponsor a few years ago.

What you are actually talking about is the reality that the NRL will always struggle to PROVE TPAs are organised or tied to clubs.

The whole TPA system exists in the first place because it was totally unregulated and rorted, so the NRL have at least tried to implement some regulation, even though we all know there's still capacity for secret rorting.
 
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073327) said:
@Chris said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073317) said:
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073295) said:
@cochise So you are happy for clubs like Roosters , Souths Broncos etc.. to have like 12 rep players in there team each week and clubs like us are lucky to have 2. There salary on the NRL books is like half of what they are actually getting as they are paid in TPA, Memberships at clubs, Partners on high paying jobs doing nothing, Rent paid for etc...
I don't care what they pay them and 100% they have the right to earn what they can but if they had a points system or something like that it would make an even playing field.
How hard is it for us to bring a top player here ? We have to pay through the roof as that player is getting paid a great package at E.g. Roosters through Salary, TPA, side benefits etc.. Why would they leave unless it was massive money.. However if it was an even playing field that big club cannot have all these top players on the books even if they could pay the on the side and that spreads the talent around..
Rant over but deep down alot of people would agree..
(Disclaimer before i get any reply's - I also understand our club needs to be run better but so does the NRL)

Instead of a point system, my suggestion for years has been that if a club brings their juniors through to the top grade, those players should be salary cap exempt and the club can pay whatever they feel is necessary to keep them as a reward for developing that player as a junior. In turn, I would lower the salary cap to stop teams like the roosters from poaching players from other clubs.
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That grub at the Roosters who use to play for us is a prime example as to why this would work. If we were allowed to pay him what we liked with no salary cap restrictions, then we'd have a much better chance of keeping those juniors we develop. This would force teams like the Roosters to change their philosophy of poaching players with under the table deals and develop their own juniors.

With a lowered salary cap, the Roosters on paper would have to show that they are paying the grub $500k with TPA deals. If we're offering over a million dollars and the grub wants to say he's prepared to take less money to play in a winning team like he does now, questions will be asked of him how he can leave $500k on the table??

This system also puts focus back onto every club's juniors and makes their junior footy a priority now. That's a win/win for the game.

Again it's a nice idea but it probably wouldn't work how you hope. First up, how do you define 'junior'. The easiest way is probably to say if you make your first-grade debut for a club you count as a junior. All that would happen then is the Roosters putting more resources into poaching other clubs' best players at 18.

If you say junior means you have to have been in a club's system since, say, 16 you're unfairly penalising anyone who isn't a clear star at a very young age. Lots of fantastic players emerged as real talents later and move between clubs before developing. These players would be much less valuable as they don't qualify for cap exemption. What if a kid's parents moved from Auckland to Sydney, or Canberra to Townsville, when he was 16 and he changed clubs as a result?

Basically, if you set the qualifying line too old it promotes poaching and if you set it too young it penalises players unfairly.

Maybe there's some sort of sliding scale that could be used, where clubs get cap discounts for players based on the number of years they've been with the club starting at 16 or 17. It couldn't be a huge offset but it would be a small incentive to retention rather than moving and would also apply to someone like a Twal who isn't a Tigers junior but could play his whole first grade career at the Tigers.

If we go with your suggestion and set the bar at 18, if a club like the roosters comes along and poaches an 18 year old kid, add it to their salary cap. Alternatively, if you set the bar at 16, if the kid at 20 isnt worth keeping and another club wants him, I dont see the buying club paying the selling club compensation which would then make the kid salary cap exempt and not affect him from flourishing at another team.
 
@TheDaBoss lets not forget...
he's a Q cup player - and he's 25 with 1 game under his belt.
there's a reason for this.

good luck to the adlay though.
 
Well Yuh won't have to wait tooooooo long @tiger_one....... it's only 120 hours away :joy: and counting 😛oint_down: to the seemingly magical 'only 48 hours' :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
Also looking forward on news , but please not Moylan haven't we already brought enough trouble over the past few years, rather Brimson or young up and comers like Matterson even though he has disappointed everyone, we still hold the decision on him and hopefully use that position wisely
 
@hugh1954 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073723) said:
Also looking forward on news , but please not Moylan haven't we already brought enough trouble over the past few years, rather Brimson or young up and comers like Matterson even though he has disappointed everyone, we still hold the decision on him and hopefully use that position wisely

Being devil's advocate here because I can see both sides with Moylan but what "trouble" do you think the Tigers have signed exactly? Probably our most ineffective signings have been legendarily great clubmen Josh Reynolds and Matt Ballin. I believe Ryan Matterson is meant to be some sort of clean living Jesus boy but that hasn't stopped him taking his ball home because he wants more money. Russell Packer is probably the NRL's most prominent reformed character. Everybody who works with Moses Mbye seems to love the guy.

We've signed dreadfully, but it's pretty clearly nothing to do with the imports being bad dudes.
 
@TheDaBoss said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073867) said:
West tigers have signed the rest of the jennings family

Both brothers at the eels for a matterson swap 😳
 
http://amp.triplem.com.au/story/the-eels-are-set-to-launch-an-audacious-10-year-11-million-contract-for-an-nrl-superstar-150208
 
@TheDaBoss said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073922) said:
http://amp.triplem.com.au/story/the-eels-are-set-to-launch-an-audacious-10-year-11-million-contract-for-an-nrl-superstar-150208

good luck to them.....
 
@OzLuke said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073923) said:
@TheDaBoss said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073922) said:
http://amp.triplem.com.au/story/the-eels-are-set-to-launch-an-audacious-10-year-11-million-contract-for-an-nrl-superstar-150208

good luck to them.....
No . it was 10 million a year for 11 million years.
 
http://amp.triplem.com.au/story/david-fifita-is-desperate-to-join-wayne-bennett-at-south-sydney-but-there-s-one-massive-roadblock-150211



"Desperate"
 
@TheDaBoss said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1073938) said:
http://amp.triplem.com.au/story/david-fifita-is-desperate-to-join-wayne-bennett-at-south-sydney-but-there-s-one-massive-roadblock-150211



"Desperate"

Easts, souths and the bronco's can sign who they like, we on the other hand battle for scraps
 

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