Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Curly_Tiger]

Plus 2021 still sees us with Reynolds and Packer tying up $1.5m, biggest one to drop off after this year is McQueen at $400k

 

[hobbo1]

$327k is the median of the salary cap, but not necessarily the average salary. Without accurate salary figures it’s difficult to determine the average as it depends on how many players on a roster are earning overs and unders and by what margins. I’m guessing the average salary would be lower than $327k considering marquee players take up large portions of the cap - it would be interesting to know…

No I'm pretty sure you are not correct. Assuming the club spends 100% of its salary cap (I think they have to spent at minimum 90%?) then the average salary is, by definition, $9.8M divided by 30, for each and every club. We know these parameters to be set and not dependent on an individual allocation of funds.

The median is actually the calculation that is impacted by significant individual salaries, because it's the "middle value" of the set.

So for instance, an imaginary pool of 10 players
1, 1, 1, 1, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.2, 0.2 --N = 10, sum = 6.4, median = 0.5, average = 0.64
1, 0.9, 0.9, 0.9, 0.7, 0.6, 0.5, 0.4, 0.3, 0.2 --N = 10, sum = 6.4, median = 0.7, average = 0.64

Note how the median is skewed in the first set because of the uneven distribution of funds, even though the top 4 players are on almost the same money.


I have to reacquaint myself with the ‘4 averages’: mean, median, mode and range.

I think what I’m searching for is an average that’s closer to the ‘mode’ (data that occurs the most) - rather than the mean or median averages.

To get the mode average don’t we need to eliminate the data from the bell curve that ‘skews’ - i.e. the high earners and those on the minimum wage, and then calculate the average from what’s remaining...?

To me the mode average would be interesting in relation to the salary cap, but it’s difficult to attain unless you have the data, plus you then need to apply discretion to determine how much data you eliminate - and where you apply that discretion will give you different results.

**Mean** is the average i.e add all numbers together and divide by the amount of numbers.

**Median** is the middle i.e list all the numbers in order and the number in the middle is the median.

**Mode** is the number that occurs the most i.e list all the numbers and the number that appears the most is the mode.

**Range** is the difference between the lowest and highest number.

So I am not sure what you are trying to say.

And Josh Dugan is an outlier ..which for those who really wanted to know.....is any data point more than 1.5 interquartile ranges (IQRs) below the first quartile or above the third quartile.

Defo above


Another school teacher?

That’s why the kids are dumb these days ..
Teachers spend all day on the west’s Tigers forum .

 

[Ponyo]

Can someone help me here? Tigers still have approx 1 mil .Could sign Douie andJAC now if possible. Development players Zini and Simkins etc eligible to play mid season? Tigers discard 5 players at end of 2020 contracts and have another 1 mill approx to sign players after november. Please advise if i am on the right track.

By my estimates we have around $700k left for our final two spots, see my thread for full detail albeit estimated

Haven't factored in any Momo for Grant shenanigans as I don't know how that would work

The loan deal won't change your figures CT - both players will continue to get payed by their current clubs in the proposed deal

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

The appointment of Ron Griffiths as an assistant coach could be one of the best appointments WT'S make this year with he's association with indigenous players could help break so called preferred destination of indigenous players to Souffs and Wayne ( pinocchio) Bennett

 

[Ponyo]

Can someone help me here? Tigers still have approx 1 mil .Could sign Douie andJAC now if possible. Development players Zini and Simkins etc eligible to play mid season? Tigers discard 5 players at end of 2020 contracts and have another 1 mill approx to sign players after november. Please advise if i am on the right track.

By my estimates we have around $700k left for our final two spots, see my thread for full detail albeit estimated

Haven't factored in any Momo for Grant shenanigans as I don't know how that would work

The loan deal won't change your figures CT - both players will continue to get payed by their current clubs in the proposed deal

Edit: what might change is Reynolds getting stood down. If you subtract his salary for 2020 by 4 months (Nov-Feb) you'll know how much we get in cap dispensation

 

[Hbom]

Plus 2021 still sees us with Reynolds and Packer tying up $1.5m, biggest one to drop off after this year is McQueen at $400k

Plus the $330k Robbie Farah post football job penalty.

 

[4jtigers]

Reading this
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/tigers-set-to-land-new-hooker-in-player-swap-with-storm-20200129-p53vov.html
This just makes sense. We get Grant for a year but remain with Liddle.
Storm get Momo for a year.

Yes when we vs Storm this will be weird. I guess it means that we will have Leulia and Mbye in the centers.
...
Hmm, can't we have swapped them Mbye. I would take Momo over Mbye.

In the swap in the EPL players are rested if they play against their home side

iE West Ham v WBA and West Ham had loaned Grady Diangana to WBA

When they played in the FA Cup last weekend Diangana couldn't play

Didn’t make much difference lol

being the idiots we are we loaned out all our form young players and left the hopeless older out of form players

if you were the Storm would you take the "hopeless older out of form players" from any side in a swap deal? the only way this will go through is if you are getting value for the swap/trade - I don't even know why you made that comment above - a bit silly I reckon.

 

[JD Tiger]

$327k is the median of the salary cap, but not necessarily the average salary. Without accurate salary figures it’s difficult to determine the average as it depends on how many players on a roster are earning overs and unders and by what margins. I’m guessing the average salary would be lower than $327k considering marquee players take up large portions of the cap - it would be interesting to know…

No I'm pretty sure you are not correct. Assuming the club spends 100% of its salary cap (I think they have to spent at minimum 90%?) then the average salary is, by definition, $9.8M divided by 30, for each and every club. We know these parameters to be set and not dependent on an individual allocation of funds.

The median is actually the calculation that is impacted by significant individual salaries, because it's the "middle value" of the set.

So for instance, an imaginary pool of 10 players
1, 1, 1, 1, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.2, 0.2 --N = 10, sum = 6.4, median = 0.5, average = 0.64
1, 0.9, 0.9, 0.9, 0.7, 0.6, 0.5, 0.4, 0.3, 0.2 --N = 10, sum = 6.4, median = 0.7, average = 0.64

Note how the median is skewed in the first set because of the uneven distribution of funds, even though the top 4 players are on almost the same money.


I have to reacquaint myself with the ‘4 averages’: mean, median, mode and range.

I think what I’m searching for is an average that’s closer to the ‘mode’ (data that occurs the most) - rather than the mean or median averages.

To get the mode average don’t we need to eliminate the data from the bell curve that ‘skews’ - i.e. the high earners and those on the minimum wage, and then calculate the average from what’s remaining...?

To me the mode average would be interesting in relation to the salary cap, but it’s difficult to attain unless you have the data, plus you then need to apply discretion to determine how much data you eliminate - and where you apply that discretion will give you different results.

**Mean** is the average i.e add all numbers together and divide by the amount of numbers.

**Median** is the middle i.e list all the numbers in order and the number in the middle is the median.

**Mode** is the number that occurs the most i.e list all the numbers and the number that appears the most is the mode.

**Range** is the difference between the lowest and highest number.

So I am not sure what you are trying to say.


Ultimately I’m trying to understand how clubs structure their salary cap. This might be a better way of explaining it (I think this is how the Sharks do it):

If a club spends half of their cap $4.9m on 6 elite players at an average of $816k each.

Then the other $4.9m of the cap is spread over the remaining 24 players at an average of $204k each.

I think it depends on the coach and the players in the team. I dont think theres a set structure. But i have asked the same question mate it is intriguing, is there a magic winning structure?

 

[Moh]

The appointment of Ron Griffiths as an assistant coach could be one of the best appointments WT'S make this year with he's association with indigenous players could help break so called preferred destination of indigenous players to Souffs and Wayne ( pinocchio) Bennett

Little too late for LM, but lets see if it helps with JAC.

 

[happy_tiger]

Reading this
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/tigers-set-to-land-new-hooker-in-player-swap-with-storm-20200129-p53vov.html
This just makes sense. We get Grant for a year but remain with Liddle.
Storm get Momo for a year.

Yes when we vs Storm this will be weird. I guess it means that we will have Leulia and Mbye in the centers.
...
Hmm, can't we have swapped them Mbye. I would take Momo over Mbye.

In the swap in the EPL players are rested if they play against their home side

iE West Ham v WBA and West Ham had loaned Grady Diangana to WBA

When they played in the FA Cup last weekend Diangana couldn't play

Didn’t make much difference lol

being the idiots we are we loaned out all our form young players and left the hopeless older out of form players

if you were the Storm would you take the "hopeless older out of form players" from any side in a swap deal? the only way this will go through is if you are getting value for the swap/trade - I don't even know why you made that comment above - a bit silly I reckon.

OK I was talking about West Ham not Wests Tigers lol

 

[HabboTiger]

Reading this
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/tigers-set-to-land-new-hooker-in-player-swap-with-storm-20200129-p53vov.html
This just makes sense. We get Grant for a year but remain with Liddle.
Storm get Momo for a year.

Yes when we vs Storm this will be weird. I guess it means that we will have Leulia and Mbye in the centers.
...
Hmm, can't we have swapped them Mbye. I would take Momo over Mbye.

In the swap in the EPL players are rested if they play against their home side

iE West Ham v WBA and West Ham had loaned Grady Diangana to WBA

When they played in the FA Cup last weekend Diangana couldn't play

Didn’t make much difference lol

being the idiots we are we loaned out all our form young players and left the hopeless older out of form players

if you were the Storm would you take the "hopeless older out of form players" from any side in a swap deal? the only way this will go through is if you are getting value for the swap/trade - I don't even know why you made that comment above - a bit silly I reckon.

An injury free Mbye would be like having Chambers back for the storm. If he was available and the contracts balanced he’d be preferential

 

[happy_tiger]

$327k is the median of the salary cap, but not necessarily the average salary. Without accurate salary figures it’s difficult to determine the average as it depends on how many players on a roster are earning overs and unders and by what margins. I’m guessing the average salary would be lower than $327k considering marquee players take up large portions of the cap - it would be interesting to know…

No I'm pretty sure you are not correct. Assuming the club spends 100% of its salary cap (I think they have to spent at minimum 90%?) then the average salary is, by definition, $9.8M divided by 30, for each and every club. We know these parameters to be set and not dependent on an individual allocation of funds.

The median is actually the calculation that is impacted by significant individual salaries, because it's the "middle value" of the set.

So for instance, an imaginary pool of 10 players
1, 1, 1, 1, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.2, 0.2 --N = 10, sum = 6.4, median = 0.5, average = 0.64
1, 0.9, 0.9, 0.9, 0.7, 0.6, 0.5, 0.4, 0.3, 0.2 --N = 10, sum = 6.4, median = 0.7, average = 0.64

Note how the median is skewed in the first set because of the uneven distribution of funds, even though the top 4 players are on almost the same money.


I have to reacquaint myself with the ‘4 averages’: mean, median, mode and range.

I think what I’m searching for is an average that’s closer to the ‘mode’ (data that occurs the most) - rather than the mean or median averages.

To get the mode average don’t we need to eliminate the data from the bell curve that ‘skews’ - i.e. the high earners and those on the minimum wage, and then calculate the average from what’s remaining...?

To me the mode average would be interesting in relation to the salary cap, but it’s difficult to attain unless you have the data, plus you then need to apply discretion to determine how much data you eliminate - and where you apply that discretion will give you different results.

**Mean** is the average i.e add all numbers together and divide by the amount of numbers.

**Median** is the middle i.e list all the numbers in order and the number in the middle is the median.

**Mode** is the number that occurs the most i.e list all the numbers and the number that appears the most is the mode.

**Range** is the difference between the lowest and highest number.

So I am not sure what you are trying to say.

And Josh Dugan is an outlier ..which for those who really wanted to know.....is any data point more than 1.5 interquartile ranges (IQRs) below the first quartile or above the third quartile.

Defo above


Another school teacher?

That’s why the kids are dumb these days ..
Teachers spend all day on the west’s Tigers forum .

Yes what are they teaching our kids ...how dopey they are

 

[diedpretty]

Well that's something I didn't expect!

This may have been the "WTF" signing. I'm sure they didn't just come up with this idea this week.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

Plus 2021 still sees us with Reynolds and Packer tying up $1.5m, biggest one to drop off after this year is McQueen at $400k

Plus the $330k Robbie Farah post football job penalty.

True, finally!

By my reckoning we have 18 signed for 2020 at $7.15m or an average of $400k

That leaves $2.75m for 12 spots so if you assume 4 at minimum that leaves $2.3m for 8 spots or an avearge of ~$290k

 

[pawsandclaws1]

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/01/29/wests-tigers-appoint-ron-griffiths-as-coaching-assistant/

Good news. WTs needs to encourage our players of indigenous heritage in our junior systems and also throughout regional NSW and QLD.

 

[4jtigers]

Reading this
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/tigers-set-to-land-new-hooker-in-player-swap-with-storm-20200129-p53vov.html
This just makes sense. We get Grant for a year but remain with Liddle.
Storm get Momo for a year.

Yes when we vs Storm this will be weird. I guess it means that we will have Leulia and Mbye in the centers.
...
Hmm, can't we have swapped them Mbye. I would take Momo over Mbye.

In the swap in the EPL players are rested if they play against their home side

iE West Ham v WBA and West Ham had loaned Grady Diangana to WBA

When they played in the FA Cup last weekend Diangana couldn't play

Didn’t make much difference lol

being the idiots we are we loaned out all our form young players and left the hopeless older out of form players

if you were the Storm would you take the "hopeless older out of form players" from any side in a swap deal? the only way this will go through is if you are getting value for the swap/trade - I don't even know why you made that comment above - a bit silly I reckon.

OK I was talking about West Ham not Wests Tigers lol

oh ok - sorry for misunderstanding your post lol

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Plus 2021 still sees us with Reynolds and Packer tying up $1.5m, biggest one to drop off after this year is McQueen at $400k

Plus the $330k Robbie Farah post football job penalty.

NRL CEO Todd Greenberg today ruled on a number of integrity based-issues including the Tigers, Dylan Napa and the Cronulla Sharks salary cap scandal.

The ruling penalty affects 2019 and 2020 season caps only.

“The NRL had delivered a fine of $750,000 late last year over Farah’s controversial agreement. After the club owned up to the breach, the penalty has been reduced by 50 per cent, meaning Michael Maguire’s side will be hit by a $375,000 punishment.

The Tigers will also have to work at a reduced salary cap, with $670,000 — the value of Farah’s ambador deal — to be cut from their allowance over the 2019 and 2020 seasons”.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

Take the top 4 $$$ out of 2021 (Brooks, Mbye, Reynolds & Packer) and the average for the other 14 is $300k

 

[diedpretty]

Maybe Bellamy doesnt want to strengthen a Premiership rival like Souths or the Roosters. So we send them Momo we get Grant and Melb says to JAC if you want to go to Sydney we will only release you to the Tigers. We could also pay a transfer fee to Melb for JAC they have the player now, the cap space and compensation might be what they want.

That all sounds very feasible. Hope you're right.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

If Adam Douehi falls through do we think Alex Johnson may emerge again, he's likely excess to requirements at Souths and they need forwards. Swap for McQueen?