SMH - Divisions derailing next step for Wests Tigers

[Blackandwhite]

Serious question - why won't they just make the Magpies the single Wests Tigers feeder team?

It doesn't make sense to have players training at different venues and presumably a Wests NSW cup team would train at Campbelltown.
Sheens has his squad of 40-50 odd players all training the same at the same venue at the same time.
Some will be NRL some NSW cup and a few NYC.
There is an advantage to all training together. I don't have a problem with the team being called Wests Tigers.

But, Occasionally it would be good for the community and supporters if they all trained at Campbelltown stadium.

 

[batboy]

I think alot of that depends on structure and new TV rights money distribution Happy

Well Smeg I can't see Brisbane ,Melbourne ,Warriors ,North Qld being too happy about having to spend heaps of extra money every second week with flights and accomodation for an extra say 25 people . Unless the NRL or the IC are prepared to wear the costs for this they will scream blue murder

Warriors already do… Vulcans

 

[batboy]

Serious question - why won't they just make the Magpies the single Wests Tigers feeder team?

It doesn't make sense to have players training at different venues and presumably a Wests NSW cup team would train at Campbelltown.
Sheens has his squad of 40-50 odd players all training the same at the same venue at the same time.
Some will be NRL some NSW cup and a few NYC.
There is an advantage to all training together. I don't have a problem with the team being called Wests Tigers.

But, Occasionally it would be good for the community and supporters if they all trained at Campbelltown stadium.

I agree… Open training sessions should be done more often!!

 

[Centaur]

Serious question - why won't they just make the Magpies the single Wests Tigers feeder team?

It doesn't make sense to have players training at different venues and presumably a Wests NSW cup team would train at Campbelltown.
Sheens has his squad of 40-50 odd players all training the same at the same venue at the same time.
Some will be NRL some NSW cup and a few NYC.
There is an advantage to all training together. I don't have a problem with the team being called Wests Tigers.

But, Occasionally it would be good for the community and supporters if they all trained at Campbelltown stadium.

This is a situation where compromises have to be made. I thought the Wests men would be satisfied that the Magpie is kept, despite the fact they lose the Campbelltown 'based' NSW Cup side. Just because they train at Concord doesn't mean they can't use Campbelltown as a home ground as well.

Anyways I am over all this nonense anyway - at the end of the day, whether people are prepared to admit it or not - this is all bickering between Balmain and Wests. It is like a couple of kids arguing in the playground about who has the best Pokemon cards. Is there an underying business interest built into the nonsense? Yes there is - but it always comes back to Balmain v Wests - because supporters of the respective camps get a real kick out of upsetting the opposite camp.

I have very little doubt that if this joint venture was called the Balmain Magpies - all this garbage would be occuring in the reverse. One heritage club was always going to be worse off out of the merger - no two ways about it.

I don't care - I am a Wests Tigers fan.

 

[Chunk]

Serious question - why won't they just make the Magpies the single Wests Tigers feeder team?

Shall we call them the Balmain Magpies.

Wests Tigers are are Wests and the Tigers. 50/50, Half and Half, etc

One NSW Cup team makes total sense. Theres no doubt thats the best thing to do for the Wests Tigers.

It seems pretty obvious really, but once again the Wests side of things wants to hold the Wests Tigers back and have a whinge.

Surprise ****ing surprise.

Wests have been trying to get there sh*t together for the past thirty years and are still arguing, give it up boys.

EMBRACE THE FUTURE

 

[Wacko_Jacko]

STATEMENT FROM WESTS ASHFIELD LEAGUES CLUB

The Board of Wests Ashfield Leagues Club would like to make the following points in relation to matters raised in the media in the past few days.

Wests Ashfield Leagues is a shareholder in the joint venture known as Wests Tigers. Wests Ashfield Leagues has continued to work with Wests Tigers to achieve the best possible outcomes for the joint venture, whilst continuing to support and respect the heritage, history, and contribution of the Western Suburbs District Rugby League Club – The Magpies.

Wests Ashfield Leagues has agreed, in principle, to support the conduct of a single NSW Cup team, representative of both JV clubs, in season 2013\. Furthermore, Wests Tigers and Wests Ashfield Leagues have agreed that –

o Western Suburbs Magpies is recognised as the district club in the Campbelltown area,

o Western Suburbs Magpies will continue to participate (as the Magpies) in junior representative Harold Matthews and S G Ball and, where appropriate, other competitions,

o Western Suburbs Magpies retains all of its rights, including the ability to review the operation of a single State Cup team in future years,

o Wests Tigers continues to work with Western Suburbs Magpies to ensure that appropriate pathways are met for the junior RL players in the south west,

o The 2013 combined SC playing strip would alternate between Wests and Balmain colours.

Wests Ashfield Leagues recognises the significant financial contribution required to meet obligations to all RL stakeholders and the need to prioritise the appropriation of available funding to meet these needs.

Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Deputy Chairman Russell Smith said it was important to keep focus on the real issues at play in this situation.

“Wests Ashfield Leagues remains totally committed to the continuing sustainable role of Wests Magpies as a vital component in the structure of Rugby League to continue to provide a well defined and positive pathway for aspiring players in the Campbelltown and surrounding regions,’’ Mr Smith said.

“We have confidence in the management of the Wests Tigers joint venture as portrayed in the results that have been achieved in the recent past.”

Changes to the Wests Magpies Board will take affect next week, and the new Board will work closely with all stakeholders to ensure all normal operations and functions of a district club continue in what will be a fruitful 2012 season and a bright future.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think alot of that depends on structure and new TV rights money distribution Happy

Well Smeg I can't see Brisbane ,Melbourne ,Warriors ,North Qld being too happy about having to spend heaps of extra money every second week with flights and accomodation for an extra say 25 people . Unless the NRL or the IC are prepared to wear the costs for this they will scream blue murder

Warriors already do… Vulcans

Yeah remembered that fact about 30 minutes after posting this post

But if you think the Broncos ,Cowboys or Storm will be happy think again

As far as Brisbane was concerned in particular this was one of the first issues that had them thinking that the NSWRL was against them

And ultimately led to Super League …...

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

Where does this perception that the Magpies are worse off than Balmain in the JV come from, I really don’t see it, Wests kept their name, Balmain lost theirs, Wests got the Magpie on the sleeve, last season we played in a predominantly orange jersey (Balmain) and predominantly white jersey (Wests), even when we played in the black jersey of previous seasons I never had a problem as the Magpies predominant colour during their history was black. As for HQ and training at Concord, again I have no problem as it is more centrally located and is suitable no matter where in Sydney you are located and seems to me makes good business sense, it is also near the Magpies traditional areas of Ashfield and Lidcombe. As for the amount of games at Campbelltown, start whining if Leichhardt gets more games than Campbelltown.

Wests Tigers have consistently averaged 16 – 18,000 every year since 2005 and merchandise sells well, so it seems to me most fans are more than happy with where the club is currently at.

As for the often raised subject lately about agreements made in 1999, times change and situations change, the club needs to move forward as situations change if it’s for the betterment of the club, so personally I don’t really care much about any agreements that were made 12 years ago if they hinder the WT club going forward.

 

[Joel Helmes]

I don't care - I am a Wests Tigers fan.

That's the most important sentence in this thread.

The Wests Tigers have now eclipsed Balmain and Wests Magpies.

As much as I loved Balmain (with a passion) the club as we knew it isn't coming back.

We have a terrific opportunity to make the Wests Tigers an absolute powerhouse and concentrating time and effort on this nonsense is completely pointless.

The sad fact is, just like people sporting clubs fade away, we who came from Balmain and Wests care but ask a 16 year old WT's fans and he will probably say "whatever".

We are trying to stop the inevitable.

I say WT's through all the grades and WT's leagues clubs - one brand, one vision, one dream.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't care - I am a Wests Tigers fan.

That's the most important sentence in this thread.

The Wests Tigers have now eclipsed Balmain and Wests Magpies.

As much as I loved Balmain (with a passion) the club as we knew it isn't coming back.

We have a terrific opportunity to make the Wests Tigers an absolute powerhouse and concentrating time and effort on this nonsense is completely pointless.

The sad fact is, just like people sporting clubs fade away, we who came from Balmain and Wests care but ask a 16 year old WT's fans and he will probably say "whatever".

We are trying to stop the inevitable.

I say WT's through all the grades and WT's leagues clubs - one brand, one vision, one dream.

:master:

 

[underdog]

I don't care - I am a Wests Tigers fan.

That's the most important sentence in this thread.

The Wests Tigers have now eclipsed Balmain and Wests Magpies.

As much as I loved Balmain (with a passion) the club as we knew it isn't coming back.

We have a terrific opportunity to make the Wests Tigers an absolute powerhouse and concentrating time and effort on this nonsense is completely pointless.

The sad fact is, just like people sporting clubs fade away, we who came from Balmain and Wests care but ask a 16 year old WT's fans and he will probably say "whatever".

We are trying to stop the inevitable.

I say WT's through all the grades and WT's leagues clubs - one brand, one vision, one dream.

THIS. Ten thousand percent this.

:sign:

 

[Bazzinator]

the WT is entering its 13th season this year the wests tigers is all that matters who wants stop their career at state cup level and play for balmain and wests. the path is no longer through the state cup. i can guarantee there were more players debuting the last few years out of the toyota cup squads then the reserve grade squads across the whole comp. whilst tradition is important to up hold in 37 years time the club will be entering it 50th season will they still be looking back at the wests and balmain days probably not they will be looking at the 05 year and every other year we win the comp between now and then, hopefully 2012 is one of them. we need to start making our own traditions and culture as the game itself not just the club has changed drastically in the last few years and the future will hold the same. the juniors will always be important and the WT recognise it as that why confuse the kids by having so many different teams and associations under the WT banner streamline it and make it as easy as possible for everyone to recognise the juniors as WT not Wests or Balmain

 

[Spartan117]

This is called natural selection, survival of the fittest.

In 2013 the feeder club will be called Wests Tigers.

Vale wests Magpies and Balmain tigers

Wests Tigers for life

 

[Spartan117]

This is called natural selection, survival of the fittest.

In 2013 the feeder club will be called Wests Tigers.

Vale wests Magpies and Balmain tigers

Wests Tigers for life

 

[Goose]

Where does this perception that the Magpies are worse off than Balmain in the JV come from, I really don’t see it, Wests kept their name, Balmain lost theirs, Wests got the Magpie on the sleeve, last season we played in a predominantly orange jersey (Balmain) and predominantly white jersey (Wests), even when we played in the black jersey of previous seasons I never had a problem as the Magpies predominant colour during their history was black. As for HQ and training at Concord, again I have no problem as it is more centrally located and is suitable no matter where in Sydney you are located and seems to me makes good business sense, it is also near the Magpies traditional areas of Ashfield and Lidcombe. As for the amount of games at Campbelltown, start whining if Leichhardt gets more games than Campbelltown.

Wests Tigers have consistently averaged 16 – 18,000 every year since 2005 and merchandise sells well, so it seems to me most fans are more than happy with where the club is currently at.

As for the often raised subject lately about agreements made in 1999, times change and situations change, the club needs to move forward as situations change if it’s for the betterment of the club, so personally I don’t really care much about any agreements that were made 12 years ago if they hinder the WT club going forward.

That is exactly how I see it. I have always felt it was equal, and never understood those that think it is not.

 

[pacey]

Just have a wears tigers NSW cup team, it's time to move on and have west and balmain separate for younger grades such as Harold matts etc
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[black_and_white_tige]

Where does this perception that the Magpies are worse off than Balmain in the JV come from, I really don’t see it, Wests kept their name, Balmain lost theirs, Wests got the Magpie on the sleeve, last season we played in a predominantly orange jersey (Balmain) and predominantly white jersey (Wests), even when we played in the black jersey of previous seasons I never had a problem as the Magpies predominant colour during their history was black. As for HQ and training at Concord, again I have no problem as it is more centrally located and is suitable no matter where in Sydney you are located and seems to me makes good business sense, it is also near the Magpies traditional areas of Ashfield and Lidcombe. As for the amount of games at Campbelltown, start whining if Leichhardt gets more games than Campbelltown.

Wests Tigers have consistently averaged 16 – 18,000 every year since 2005 and merchandise sells well, so it seems to me most fans are more than happy with where the club is currently at.

As for the often raised subject lately about agreements made in 1999, times change and situations change, the club needs to move forward as situations change if it’s for the betterment of the club, so personally I don’t really care much about any agreements that were made 12 years ago if they hinder the WT club going forward.

Well said PPM

 

[softlaw]

Where does this perception that the Magpies are worse off than Balmain in the JV come from, I really don’t see it, Wests kept their name, Balmain lost theirs, Wests got the Magpie on the sleeve, last season we played in a predominantly orange jersey (Balmain) and predominantly white jersey (Wests), even when we played in the black jersey of previous seasons I never had a problem as the Magpies predominant colour during their history was black. As for HQ and training at Concord, again I have no problem as it is more centrally located and is suitable no matter where in Sydney you are located and seems to me makes good business sense, it is also near the Magpies traditional areas of Ashfield and Lidcombe. As for the amount of games at Campbelltown, start whining if Leichhardt gets more games than Campbelltown.

Wests Tigers have consistently averaged 16 – 18,000 every year since 2005 and merchandise sells well, so it seems to me most fans are more than happy with where the club is currently at.

As for the often raised subject lately about agreements made in 1999, times change and situations change, the club needs to move forward as situations change if it’s for the betterment of the club, so personally I don’t really care much about any agreements that were made 12 years ago if they hinder the WT club going forward.

Well said

 

[alexaki]

Why cant the WT play in alternating colour strips every week or every month?….that would go a long way to silence those who believe the JV is too one sided to Balmain....I am from the Balmain side, but personally I like the traditional black and white strip the WT wore a few years back.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Why cant the WT play in alternating colour strips every week or every month?….that would go a long way to silence those who believe the JV is too one sided to Balmain....I am from the Balmain side, but personally I like the traditional black and white strip the WT wore a few years back.

One brand in the NRL - Wests Tigers.

Sponsors would prefer the one brand. They sponsor Wests Tigers, not Balmain one week and Western Suburbs the next.

The club is now on a stronger financial footing than 2005\. I know this could perhaps upset sponsors, but why not a one year trial when we go back to 6 games at Leichhardt and 6 at Campbelltown and see how the numbers add up at the end of the season? If it is not profitable, we go back to the SFS etc.

Obviously this is not as simple as it sounds due to contractual agreements, but could the club consider this option and perhaps target a specific year when the contractual arrangements expire.