SMH investigation Part 2

[TigerWest]

The article says we've got 4 spots open in our top 30 for next year. If you look at the Tigers website it only lists 24 players contracted for 2022, leaving us with 6 spots open for next year

Reece Hoffman and William Kei are not included in that list, maybe they're getting promoted?

Hoffman is entering the Top 30 at this stage, Kei isn't.

We have 25 spots filled at this stage (26 if you include the club taking up Roberts' option which the result of that decision hasn't been announced yet).

That's what I was thinking to be honest. I remember seeing Hoffman was joining the 30 in 2022.

If Hoffman is coming, then that gives 28? not much room left?

If you include Hoffman and Roberts it makes 26 not 28, already included Hastings and Gildart in that number.

In my list below, the club have included Roberts, Hastings and Gildart, by my reckoning that gives us 27, if you add Hoffman, that obviously gives us 28?

 

[TigerWest]

The article says we've got 4 spots open in our top 30 for next year. If you look at the Tigers website it only lists 24 players contracted for 2022, leaving us with 6 spots open for next year

Reece Hoffman and William Kei are not included in that list, maybe they're getting promoted?

Hoffman is entering the Top 30 at this stage, Kei isn't.

We have 25 spots filled at this stage (26 if you include the club taking up Roberts' option which the result of that decision hasn't been announced yet).

That's what I was thinking to be honest. I remember seeing Hoffman was joining the 30 in 2022.

If Hoffman is coming, then that gives 28? not much room left?

What it is currently... (still awaiting the Roberts decision but I assume the club will take up the option so I included him).

2022
1. Shawn Blore
2. Luke Brooks
3. Adam Doueihi
4. Luke Garner
5. Oliver Gildart
6. Jackson Hastings
7. Reece Hoffman
8. Asu Kepaoa
9. Daine Laurie
10. Luciano Leilua
11. Jacob Liddle
12. Jock Madden
13. Ken Maumalo
14. Thomas Mikaele
15. Zane Musgrove
16. David Nofoaluma
17. Joe Ofahengaue
18. James Roberts — (CLUB OPTION)*
19. Alex Seyfarth
20. Jake Simpkin
21. Tukimihia Simpkins
22. Tommy Talau
23. James Tamou (c)
24. Kelma Tuilagi
25. Alex Twal
26. Stefano Utoikamanu
Coach: Michael Maguire

You haven’t added Tom Amone? I am not aware he has been cut yet?

 

[KingRobbie]

The article says we've got 4 spots open in our top 30 for next year. If you look at the Tigers website it only lists 24 players contracted for 2022, leaving us with 6 spots open for next year

Reece Hoffman and William Kei are not included in that list, maybe they're getting promoted?

Hoffman is entering the Top 30 at this stage, Kei isn't.

We have 25 spots filled at this stage (26 if you include the club taking up Roberts' option which the result of that decision hasn't been announced yet).

That's what I was thinking to be honest. I remember seeing Hoffman was joining the 30 in 2022.

If Hoffman is coming, then that gives 28? not much room left?

If you include Hoffman and Roberts it makes 26 not 28, already included Hastings and Gildart in that number.

In my list below, the club have included Roberts, Hastings and Gildart, by my reckoning that gives us 27, if you add Hoffman, that obviously gives us 28?

You're assuming Amone and Cini will be re-signed in your list which hasn't happened.

 

[KingRobbie]

The article says we've got 4 spots open in our top 30 for next year. If you look at the Tigers website it only lists 24 players contracted for 2022, leaving us with 6 spots open for next year

Reece Hoffman and William Kei are not included in that list, maybe they're getting promoted?

Hoffman is entering the Top 30 at this stage, Kei isn't.

We have 25 spots filled at this stage (26 if you include the club taking up Roberts' option which the result of that decision hasn't been announced yet).

That's what I was thinking to be honest. I remember seeing Hoffman was joining the 30 in 2022.

If Hoffman is coming, then that gives 28? not much room left?

What it is currently... (still awaiting the Roberts decision but I assume the club will take up the option so I included him).

2022
1. Shawn Blore
2. Luke Brooks
3. Adam Doueihi
4. Luke Garner
5. Oliver Gildart
6. Jackson Hastings
7. Reece Hoffman
8. Asu Kepaoa
9. Daine Laurie
10. Luciano Leilua
11. Jacob Liddle
12. Jock Madden
13. Ken Maumalo
14. Thomas Mikaele
15. Zane Musgrove
16. David Nofoaluma
17. Joe Ofahengaue
18. James Roberts — (CLUB OPTION)*
19. Alex Seyfarth
20. Jake Simpkin
21. Tukimihia Simpkins
22. Tommy Talau
23. James Tamou (c)
24. Kelma Tuilagi
25. Alex Twal
26. Stefano Utoikamanu
Coach: Michael Maguire

You haven’t added Tom Amone? I am not aware he has been cut yet?

Hasn't been re-signed which means he doesn't have a contract yet though.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Question marks over why the Tigers don’t base themselves in the fast-growing south-west Sydney region talk to an identity issue.

With Wests Ashfield in control, there are those from the Campbelltown side of the club who believe the south-west is neglected due to geographical ties to the inner-west.

A 2016 Gemba report found Concord Oval was the more strategic and financially sound option over Carnes Hill, Campbelltown and Leichhardt.

The club is also in the process of setting up an academy in the south-west to maximise the pathway system being set up by Hartigan, Sheens and new staffers Brett Kimmorley and former Cricket Australia coaching and development manager Matt Betsey.

The Tigers have also managed to turn multimillion-dollar annual losses, where they once required a loan from the NRL, into profits over the last couple of years. That has been boosted by a 90 per cent increase in membership from 2016 to 2021.

“Everything there is in place for us to have success on the field,” Farah says of the work Pascoe and his staff have done in recent years.

“I can genuinely say that it is chalk and cheese from where we were five or six years ago to where we are now. It’s a totally different club to be around.”

The club’s 10-year deal with Venues NSW, in which it has been required to play four games a year at Stadium Australia or Bankwest Stadium, expires at the end of next season.

The club acknowledges its future lies in the south-west, with the NRL in dialogue with the NSW government over a new stadium in Liverpool to be shared between the Tigers and Bulldogs. The other option is Campbelltown.

“Speaking for myself, as to the options presented for a stadium, there is much to be said for Campbelltown, which would solidify a presence of the Wests Tigers all the way from the inner-west to the south-west,” Hagipantelis says.

“At their best and in their prime, they will compete with any of the big clubs across the entire premiership,” former NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg says.

“They have untapped potential. If they can realise that potential, it would be a huge boost for them and the sport. They will become one of the biggest clubs in the country. They are the sleeping giants.”


The Chairman now says the Home ground should be at Campbelltown.. good luck with all of that ! I am sure the 90% of memberships will come from Campbelltown!

they shoukd think long and hard at memberships before the club moves home games to campbletown
I've been a member since we started at wests tigersthey can shove it if that happens

 

[TigerWest]

The article says we've got 4 spots open in our top 30 for next year. If you look at the Tigers website it only lists 24 players contracted for 2022, leaving us with 6 spots open for next year

Reece Hoffman and William Kei are not included in that list, maybe they're getting promoted?

Hoffman is entering the Top 30 at this stage, Kei isn't.

We have 25 spots filled at this stage (26 if you include the club taking up Roberts' option which the result of that decision hasn't been announced yet).

That's what I was thinking to be honest. I remember seeing Hoffman was joining the 30 in 2022.

If Hoffman is coming, then that gives 28? not much room left?

What it is currently... (still awaiting the Roberts decision but I assume the club will take up the option so I included him).

2022
1. Shawn Blore
2. Luke Brooks
3. Adam Doueihi
4. Luke Garner
5. Oliver Gildart
6. Jackson Hastings
7. Reece Hoffman
8. Asu Kepaoa
9. Daine Laurie
10. Luciano Leilua
11. Jacob Liddle
12. Jock Madden
13. Ken Maumalo
14. Thomas Mikaele
15. Zane Musgrove
16. David Nofoaluma
17. Joe Ofahengaue
18. James Roberts — (CLUB OPTION)*
19. Alex Seyfarth
20. Jake Simpkin
21. Tukimihia Simpkins
22. Tommy Talau
23. James Tamou (c)
24. Kelma Tuilagi
25. Alex Twal
26. Stefano Utoikamanu
Coach: Michael Maguire

You haven’t added Tom Amone? I am not aware he has been cut yet?

Hasn't been re-signed which means he doesn't have a contract yet though.

Fair enough, was going off Madge’s words in an interview where he only mentioned, Packer, BJ, Mbye, MCK and Walters as going?

 

[KingRobbie]

The article says we've got 4 spots open in our top 30 for next year. If you look at the Tigers website it only lists 24 players contracted for 2022, leaving us with 6 spots open for next year

Reece Hoffman and William Kei are not included in that list, maybe they're getting promoted?

Hoffman is entering the Top 30 at this stage, Kei isn't.

We have 25 spots filled at this stage (26 if you include the club taking up Roberts' option which the result of that decision hasn't been announced yet).

That's what I was thinking to be honest. I remember seeing Hoffman was joining the 30 in 2022.

If Hoffman is coming, then that gives 28? not much room left?

What it is currently... (still awaiting the Roberts decision but I assume the club will take up the option so I included him).

2022
1. Shawn Blore
2. Luke Brooks
3. Adam Doueihi
4. Luke Garner
5. Oliver Gildart
6. Jackson Hastings
7. Reece Hoffman
8. Asu Kepaoa
9. Daine Laurie
10. Luciano Leilua
11. Jacob Liddle
12. Jock Madden
13. Ken Maumalo
14. Thomas Mikaele
15. Zane Musgrove
16. David Nofoaluma
17. Joe Ofahengaue
18. James Roberts — (CLUB OPTION)*
19. Alex Seyfarth
20. Jake Simpkin
21. Tukimihia Simpkins
22. Tommy Talau
23. James Tamou (c)
24. Kelma Tuilagi
25. Alex Twal
26. Stefano Utoikamanu
Coach: Michael Maguire

You haven’t added Tom Amone? I am not aware he has been cut yet?

Hasn't been re-signed which means he doesn't have a contract yet though.

Fair enough, was going off Madge’s words in an interview where he only mentioned, Packer, BJ, Mbye, MCK and Walters as going?

It’s possible that a decision is still in the process and he could be gone though. Until they announce anything you have to assume there’s no contract for next year.

But yes you are right that if Roberts, Cini and Amone all stay, that makes 28.

 

[TigerWest]

The article says we've got 4 spots open in our top 30 for next year. If you look at the Tigers website it only lists 24 players contracted for 2022, leaving us with 6 spots open for next year

Reece Hoffman and William Kei are not included in that list, maybe they're getting promoted?

Hoffman is entering the Top 30 at this stage, Kei isn't.

We have 25 spots filled at this stage (26 if you include the club taking up Roberts' option which the result of that decision hasn't been announced yet).

That's what I was thinking to be honest. I remember seeing Hoffman was joining the 30 in 2022.

If Hoffman is coming, then that gives 28? not much room left?

What it is currently... (still awaiting the Roberts decision but I assume the club will take up the option so I included him).

2022
1. Shawn Blore
2. Luke Brooks
3. Adam Doueihi
4. Luke Garner
5. Oliver Gildart
6. Jackson Hastings
7. Reece Hoffman
8. Asu Kepaoa
9. Daine Laurie
10. Luciano Leilua
11. Jacob Liddle
12. Jock Madden
13. Ken Maumalo
14. Thomas Mikaele
15. Zane Musgrove
16. David Nofoaluma
17. Joe Ofahengaue
18. James Roberts — (CLUB OPTION)*
19. Alex Seyfarth
20. Jake Simpkin
21. Tukimihia Simpkins
22. Tommy Talau
23. James Tamou (c)
24. Kelma Tuilagi
25. Alex Twal
26. Stefano Utoikamanu
Coach: Michael Maguire

You haven’t added Tom Amone? I am not aware he has been cut yet?

Hasn't been re-signed which means he doesn't have a contract yet though.

Fair enough, was going off Madge’s words in an interview where he only mentioned, Packer, BJ, Mbye, MCK and Walters as going?

It’s possible that a decision is still in the process and he could be gone though. Until they announce anything you have to assume there’s no contract for next year.

Yep, fair point.

 

[JC99]

The article says we've got 4 spots open in our top 30 for next year. If you look at the Tigers website it only lists 24 players contracted for 2022, leaving us with 6 spots open for next year

Reece Hoffman and William Kei are not included in that list, maybe they're getting promoted?

Hoffman is entering the Top 30 at this stage, Kei isn't.

We have 25 spots filled at this stage (26 if you include the club taking up Roberts' option which the result of that decision hasn't been announced yet).

That's what I was thinking to be honest. I remember seeing Hoffman was joining the 30 in 2022.

If Hoffman is coming, then that gives 28? not much room left?

What it is currently... (still awaiting the Roberts decision but I assume the club will take up the option so I included him).

2022
1. Shawn Blore
2. Luke Brooks
3. Adam Doueihi
4. Luke Garner
5. Oliver Gildart
6. Jackson Hastings
7. Reece Hoffman
8. Asu Kepaoa
9. Daine Laurie
10. Luciano Leilua
11. Jacob Liddle
12. Jock Madden
13. Ken Maumalo
14. Thomas Mikaele
15. Zane Musgrove
16. David Nofoaluma
17. Joe Ofahengaue
18. James Roberts — (CLUB OPTION)*
19. Alex Seyfarth
20. Jake Simpkin
21. Tukimihia Simpkins
22. Tommy Talau
23. James Tamou (c)
24. Kelma Tuilagi
25. Alex Twal
26. Stefano Utoikamanu
Coach: Michael Maguire

You haven’t added Tom Amone? I am not aware he has been cut yet?

Hasn't been re-signed which means he doesn't have a contract yet though.

Fair enough, was going off Madge’s words in an interview where he only mentioned, Packer, BJ, Mbye, MCK and Walters as going?

It’s possible that a decision is still in the process and he could be gone though. Until they announce anything you have to assume there’s no contract for next year.

We've got a lot of money to spend I sure hope we do better than those three. Cini is the only maybe for me, let's see how he goes today

 

[clontarfkid]

None of this is really new. A lot of it is stuff that has been printed before and is now just in one story so it’s a stretch to call it an investigation more like a Year 7 school report. The 2 players mentioned not in speaking terms aren’t at the club next year so there is no need for them to talk. **The article also ignores that Balmain junior league is the fastest growing in the state and is run by Wests Ashfield.**

Interesting....can you provide more details?


@cochise Its never been mentioned before that Madge had final editing rights on the documentary???????

I had never heard that, I doubt it as Fox had control and the club wasn't completely happy with how it was put together.

I wld be astonished if Foxtel gave final editing to the club..if these reality shows are controversy free,they dont rate
But if the club did indeed have the final say,then someone shld be canned as it was a PR disaster for aspiring recruits... but even moreso incumbent coaching staff
..actually,quite a few ppl shld be canned regardless!

 

[TigerWest]

None of this is really new. A lot of it is stuff that has been printed before and is now just in one story so it’s a stretch to call it an investigation more like a Year 7 school report. The 2 players mentioned not in speaking terms aren’t at the club next year so there is no need for them to talk. **The article also ignores that Balmain junior league is the fastest growing in the state and is run by Wests Ashfield.**

Interesting....can you provide more details?


@cochise Its never been mentioned before that Madge had final editing rights on the documentary???????

I had never heard that, I doubt it as Fox had control and the club wasn't completely happy with how it was put together.

I wld be astonished if Foxtel gave final editing to the club..if these reality shows are controversy free,they dont rate
But if the club did indeed have the final say,then someone shld be canned as it was a PR disaster for aspiring recruits... but even moreso incumbent coaching staff
..actually,quite a few ppl shld be canned regardless!

Actually I thought it was OK, I wasn’t expecting really detailed info, it shows a light at the end of the tunnel for me?

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Actually I thought it was OK, I wasn’t expecting really detailed info, it shows a light at the end of the tunnel for me?

I see it too - I think it might be an oncoming train though.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Nothing much in the way of new information there and certainly not enough to alter my opinions.

 

[mike]

No investigation whatsoever, just an opinion piece.

 

[innsaneink]

Question marks over why the Tigers don’t base themselves in the fast-growing south-west Sydney region talk to an identity issue.

With Wests Ashfield in control, there are those from the Campbelltown side of the club who believe the south-west is neglected due to geographical ties to the inner-west.

A 2016 Gemba report found Concord Oval was the more strategic and financially sound option over Carnes Hill, Campbelltown and Leichhardt.

The club is also in the process of setting up an academy in the south-west to maximise the pathway system being set up by Hartigan, Sheens and new staffers Brett Kimmorley and former Cricket Australia coaching and development manager Matt Betsey.

The Tigers have also managed to turn multimillion-dollar annual losses, where they once required a loan from the NRL, into profits over the last couple of years. That has been boosted by a 90 per cent increase in membership from 2016 to 2021.

“Everything there is in place for us to have success on the field,” Farah says of the work Pascoe and his staff have done in recent years.

“I can genuinely say that it is chalk and cheese from where we were five or six years ago to where we are now. It’s a totally different club to be around.”

The club’s 10-year deal with Venues NSW, in which it has been required to play four games a year at Stadium Australia or Bankwest Stadium, expires at the end of next season.

The club acknowledges its future lies in the south-west, with the NRL in dialogue with the NSW government over a new stadium in Liverpool to be shared between the Tigers and Bulldogs. The other option is Campbelltown.

“Speaking for myself, as to the options presented for a stadium, there is much to be said for Campbelltown, which would solidify a presence of the Wests Tigers all the way from the inner-west to the south-west,” Hagipantelis says.

“At their best and in their prime, they will compete with any of the big clubs across the entire premiership,” former NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg says.

“They have untapped potential. If they can realise that potential, it would be a huge boost for them and the sport. They will become one of the biggest clubs in the country. They are the sleeping giants.”


The Chairman now says the Home ground should be at Campbelltown.. good luck with all of that ! I am sure the 90% of memberships will come from Campbelltown!

they shoukd think long and hard at memberships before the club moves home games to campbletown
I've been a member since we started at wests tigersthey can shove it if that happens

A few Lost memberships won't worry them....
It's been happening a bit lately...
All good...amazing some prefer 4 or 5 home grounds to one... Each to their own

 

[mike]

Question marks over why the Tigers don’t base themselves in the fast-growing south-west Sydney region talk to an identity issue.

With Wests Ashfield in control, there are those from the Campbelltown side of the club who believe the south-west is neglected due to geographical ties to the inner-west.

A 2016 Gemba report found Concord Oval was the more strategic and financially sound option over Carnes Hill, Campbelltown and Leichhardt.

The club is also in the process of setting up an academy in the south-west to maximise the pathway system being set up by Hartigan, Sheens and new staffers Brett Kimmorley and former Cricket Australia coaching and development manager Matt Betsey.

The Tigers have also managed to turn multimillion-dollar annual losses, where they once required a loan from the NRL, into profits over the last couple of years. That has been boosted by a 90 per cent increase in membership from 2016 to 2021.

“Everything there is in place for us to have success on the field,” Farah says of the work Pascoe and his staff have done in recent years.

“I can genuinely say that it is chalk and cheese from where we were five or six years ago to where we are now. It’s a totally different club to be around.”

The club’s 10-year deal with Venues NSW, in which it has been required to play four games a year at Stadium Australia or Bankwest Stadium, expires at the end of next season.

The club acknowledges its future lies in the south-west, with the NRL in dialogue with the NSW government over a new stadium in Liverpool to be shared between the Tigers and Bulldogs. The other option is Campbelltown.

“Speaking for myself, as to the options presented for a stadium, there is much to be said for Campbelltown, which would solidify a presence of the Wests Tigers all the way from the inner-west to the south-west,” Hagipantelis says.

“At their best and in their prime, they will compete with any of the big clubs across the entire premiership,” former NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg says.

“They have untapped potential. If they can realise that potential, it would be a huge boost for them and the sport. They will become one of the biggest clubs in the country. They are the sleeping giants.”


The Chairman now says the Home ground should be at Campbelltown.. good luck with all of that ! I am sure the 90% of memberships will come from Campbelltown!

they shoukd think long and hard at memberships before the club moves home games to campbletown
I've been a member since we started at wests tigersthey can shove it if that happens

A few Lost memberships won't worry them....
It's been happening a bit lately...
All good...amazing some prefer 4 or 5 home grounds to one... Each to their own

It will be offset by the new members picked up as a result of all the publicity the Wests Tigers are receiving.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Yeah apparently there's 400,000 Tigers fans.

(LOL)

 

[Yossarian]

Another SMH article on how awful we are. Chammas has a weird obsession with us. Arguably Brisbane are a bigger team than us and in a worse condition.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

None of this is really new. A lot of it is stuff that has been printed before and is now just in one story so it’s a stretch to call it an investigation more like a Year 7 school report. The 2 players mentioned not in speaking terms aren’t at the club next year so there is no need for them to talk. **The article also ignores that Balmain junior league is the fastest growing in the state and is run by Wests Ashfield.**

Interesting....can you provide more details?


@cochise Its never been mentioned before that Madge had final editing rights on the documentary???????

I don’t believe that part is true regarding the doco

Agree. My understanding is Fox had final edit

 

[tig_prmz]

I just don’t understand why the club would not of signed Bennett for the 2020 season and dealt with the aftermath from their on. Appoint a caretaker and wait for the Brisbane board to crumble on their decisions…

Great point..

We've had people like Taupau, Cleary and Tedesco sign a contract a year in advance and we had to let them go early. Tigers should have (in hindsight) been a bit smarter (albeit unethical IMO, but that doesn't even matter anymore).

It's funny that we have had an opportunity to sign both Bellamy and Bennett but fell short. I think Des was also available around that time?