SMH investigation Part 2

[pawsandclaws1]

Interesting read. Everything seems to be set up financially with profit and COE.

Success in the lower grades.

Recruitment and poor NRL level performances still our achilles heal.

High level decisions made now and moving forward are potentially going to make or break this club.

That's a good summary. There is much to be pleased about. With Maguire apparently having difficulty with Sheens' employment, with Brooks and also the same issue which resulted in his demise at Souths re-occurring at WTs, a decision needs to be made after the last game.

I can see you salivating with this kind of news :smirk:

I'm busted!

 

[tony soprano]

What the club needs.

- a new ceo that can manage the media better and hire the right people

- sack hartigan or juniors only

- new and improved performance staff

- if we could nab a Brad fitter type person as an assistant, consultant or half coach to attract players and improve coaching

- new assistants

- go cambo once stadium deal expires


If we can do above think we will move up the ladder

 

[TigerWest]

I think I have read all of that before just not all together. So the club is in good shape, just not demonstrating that with the FG side - hardly a basket case but still not getting the desired results.
**Maguire will either get sacked - the most likely decision based on what happens to coaches usually when FG squads fail** - or they will hold firm and back what he is trying to do.
What ever the outcome it can't go unnoticed the level of interest in a club running 13th with no genuine stars with a final series about to kick off.

This is true, but the club does need to wary of doing this again and again, because no coach worth a $1 will come here?

 

[tony soprano]

Don't like the only words hartigan has said the whole year is taking the glory for Laurie and Stefano signings.

 

[TigerWest]

I'm on the fence regards Maguire.
I am concerned about his relationship with players and my impression that he has a stereotype in mind for the different positions. The article mentions his flip-flopping over the performance/retention of Seyfarth and Chee-Kam.
He talks about having players that are committed and resilient and yet dropped Thompson and Momirovski. I regarded those as poor choices at the time (the growth stage of the team) they were made.
Any wonder that players feel they are 'walking on eggshells'?
It also mentions his distancing himself from performances by referring to the team as 'they' rather than 'we'.
I'm not happy with how I perceive Maguires relationship with the squad to be.

The article mentions these things, but are they true? Who, bar people with an axe to grind mentions this?

 

[dazza65]

Last I noticed there are 6 other teams equal or below us in the table including the NRL darlings Bronco’s yet we are the constant whipping boy and focus of media trolling. I’m assuming as I couldn’t be bothered reading.

 

[BalmainJnr]

Last I noticed there are 6 other teams equal or below us in the table including the NRL darlings Bronco’s yet we are the constant whipping boy and focus of media trolling. I assuming as I couldn’t be bothered reading.

Imagine the clicks they will be able to generate when we are a perennial finals contender.
Forget an NRL department the media outlets will need a WT department.

 

[Harvey]

Part Two of the ‘investigation’ read like a hit job on Madge.
Other than that there was nothing newly presented in this Pulitzer contender.

I said yesterday's article was like a defence case for Madge. Reading this it was more like building him up to slap him down.

If the information around his inability to build and maintain relationships with players has any truth, he cannot coach.

There is a big difference between honest (and sometimes brutal) feedback, and duplicity, backstabbing your players & trying to please everyone.

 

[mikey]

Don't like the only words hartigan has said the whole year is taking the glory for Laurie and Stefano signings.

Journos cherry-pick things to prove their point (as do many of our illustious forum members, myself included 🙂 ).

 

[Fade.To.Black]

What the club needs.

- a new ceo that can manage the media better and hire the right people

- sack hartigan or juniors only

- new and improved performance staff

- if we could nab a Brad fitter type person as an assistant, consultant or half coach to attract players and improve coaching

- new assistants

- go cambo once stadium deal expires


If we can do above think we will move up the ladder

Brad Fittler? No thanks. Bloke couldn't coach NSW to beat a 2nd-rate QLD team last year.
His biggest asset is being able to clown around with the players with his best mate powder-hound Joey.

 

[mikey]

Last I noticed there are 6 other teams equal or below us in the table including the NRL darlings Bronco’s yet we are the constant whipping boy and focus of media trolling. I assuming as I couldn’t be bothered reading.

Assumption is 100 percent correct Nostradazza.

And to think it used to be a quality paper when I worked there as a copyboy many moons ago (sigh).

 

[Needaname]

The article says we've got 4 spots open in our top 30 for next year. If you look at the Tigers website it only lists 24 players contracted for 2022, leaving us with 6 spots open for next year

Reece Hoffman and William Kei are not included in that list, maybe they're getting promoted?

This official list has Kei on another Dev next year and Hofman into the 30 for 22/23.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/01/23/2021-signings-tracker-official-rosters-and-contracts-for-all-16-clubs2/#weststigers

 

[Telltails]

I'm on the fence regards Maguire.
I am concerned about his relationship with players and my impression that he has a stereotype in mind for the different positions. The article mentions his flip-flopping over the performance/retention of Seyfarth and Chee-Kam.
He talks about having players that are committed and resilient and yet dropped Thompson and Momirovski. I regarded those as poor choices at the time (the growth stage of the team) they were made.
Any wonder that players feel they are 'walking on eggshells'?
It also mentions his distancing himself from performances by referring to the team as 'they' rather than 'we'.
I'm not happy with how I perceive Maguires relationship with the squad to be.

The article mentions these things, but are they true? Who, bar people with an axe to grind mentions this?

Any information that is shared is done so with a level of self interest. I remember Momorovski coming in to see Maguire and the boys after the Penrith game in round 1. That was not a player who had a problem with Maguire or an axe to grind more like evidence of mutual respect. But that doesnt meet the narrative in regard to the reported relationships Maguire has with his players or ex players.

 

[old_man_tiger]

The reason we keep copping it has nothing to do with how big a mess we are. It is because how many clicks the articles get.

I'm sure the courier mail runs weekly Broncos hatchet jobs.

I'm sure at various stages the media has know about things much worse than misalignment of strategy and operations at other clubs and not published it all.

This is just economics, we have a massive fan base, running on hope for a decade or more and we lap it up.

 

[Snake]

Question marks over why the Tigers don’t base themselves in the fast-growing south-west Sydney region talk to an identity issue.

With Wests Ashfield in control, there are those from the Campbelltown side of the club who believe the south-west is neglected due to geographical ties to the inner-west.

A 2016 Gemba report found Concord Oval was the more strategic and financially sound option over Carnes Hill, Campbelltown and Leichhardt.

The club is also in the process of setting up an academy in the south-west to maximise the pathway system being set up by Hartigan, Sheens and new staffers Brett Kimmorley and former Cricket Australia coaching and development manager Matt Betsey.

The Tigers have also managed to turn multimillion-dollar annual losses, where they once required a loan from the NRL, into profits over the last couple of years. That has been boosted by a 90 per cent increase in membership from 2016 to 2021.

“Everything there is in place for us to have success on the field,” Farah says of the work Pascoe and his staff have done in recent years.

“I can genuinely say that it is chalk and cheese from where we were five or six years ago to where we are now. It’s a totally different club to be around.”

The club’s 10-year deal with Venues NSW, in which it has been required to play four games a year at Stadium Australia or Bankwest Stadium, expires at the end of next season.

The club acknowledges its future lies in the south-west, with the NRL in dialogue with the NSW government over a new stadium in Liverpool to be shared between the Tigers and Bulldogs. The other option is Campbelltown.

“Speaking for myself, as to the options presented for a stadium, there is much to be said for Campbelltown, which would solidify a presence of the Wests Tigers all the way from the inner-west to the south-west,” Hagipantelis says.

“At their best and in their prime, they will compete with any of the big clubs across the entire premiership,” former NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg says.

“They have untapped potential. If they can realise that potential, it would be a huge boost for them and the sport. They will become one of the biggest clubs in the country. They are the sleeping giants.”

The Chairman now says the Home ground should be at Campbelltown.. good luck with all of that ! I am sure the 90% of memberships will come from Campbelltown!

 

[Geo]

Wests Tigers never borrowed money from the NRL btw Mr Chammas.. I little fact checking wouldn’t go astray in your expose’

 

[tigerballs]

I'm on the fence regards Maguire.
I am concerned about his relationship with players and my impression that he has a stereotype in mind for the different positions. The article mentions his flip-flopping over the performance/retention of Seyfarth and Chee-Kam.
He talks about having players that are committed and resilient and yet dropped Thompson and Momirovski. I regarded those as poor choices at the time (the growth stage of the team) they were made.
Any wonder that players feel they are 'walking on eggshells'?
It also mentions his distancing himself from performances by referring to the team as 'they' rather than 'we'.
I'm not happy with how I perceive Maguires relationship with the squad to be.

The article mentions these things, but are they true? Who, bar people with an axe to grind mentions this?

Any information that is shared is done so with a level of self interest. I remember Momorovski coming in to see Maguire and the boys after the Penrith game in round 1. That was not a player who had a problem with Maguire or an axe to grind more like evidence of mutual respect. But that doesnt meet the narrative in regard to the reported relationships Maguire has with his players or ex players.

I know for a fact Madge was popular with the players at Souths and still is with many of them. Ask AD. And look what happened with his successor. Lasted a season and then one more at Brisbane. He’s now plying his trade as an assistant/white ant at whoever falls for his spiel. Yep, Bunnies made a good choice there.

 

[tigerballs]

I'm on the fence regards Maguire.
I am concerned about his relationship with players and my impression that he has a stereotype in mind for the different positions. The article mentions his flip-flopping over the performance/retention of Seyfarth and Chee-Kam.
He talks about having players that are committed and resilient and yet dropped Thompson and Momirovski. I regarded those as poor choices at the time (the growth stage of the team) they were made.
Any wonder that players feel they are 'walking on eggshells'?
It also mentions his distancing himself from performances by referring to the team as 'they' rather than 'we'.
I'm not happy with how I perceive Maguires relationship with the squad to be.

The article mentions these things, but are they true? Who, bar people with an axe to grind mentions this?

Any information that is shared is done so with a level of self interest. I remember Momorovski coming in to see Maguire and the boys after the Penrith game in round 1. That was not a player who had a problem with Maguire or an axe to grind more like evidence of mutual respect. But that doesnt meet the narrative in regard to the reported relationships Maguire has with his players or ex players.

Also on that, Madge had obviously been honest with Momo in regards to his position at WT so when Momo had an offer to go to Penrith, he was happy to ask for a release which was duly granted, Madge unwilling to deny him an opportunity. This article is 87.5 % BS.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Last I noticed there are 6 other teams equal or below us in the table including the NRL darlings Bronco’s yet we are the constant whipping boy and focus of media trolling. I assuming as I couldn’t be bothered reading.

(In QLD) you couldn't escape articles about the Broncos last year due to Newscorp's ownership.

Kevvie probably would've suffered a similar fate but nobody would've wanted to coach them, and finally he's managed to start turning their performances around, even with a very young/inexperienced squad.

 

[TigerWest]

The reason we keep copping it has nothing to do with how big a mess we are. It is because how many clicks the articles get.

I'm sure the courier mail runs weekly Broncos hatchet jobs.

I'm sure at various stages the media has know about things much worse than misalignment of strategy and operations at other clubs and not published it all.

This is just economics, we have a massive fan base, running on hope for a decade or more and we lap it up.

Yep, bad news sells.