SOO V CLUB FOOTBALL

bp_tiger

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Ok we all know it is a honour to be picked to play for your state or ur country, but at what cost to the club that pays ur salray.

robbie is on $800,00 plus for the tigers, yet it seems that he has no worries about putting his rep career 1st. the club the fans and the sponors dont seem to matter just make sure you are right for each SOO game. with our side not gone real well it should be robbies 1st call to the club and the fans to play for us 1st.
last week without robbie we went real well so maybe the club should say to robbie, we dont need u and we could buy 2 good second rowers with his money.

the sharks our in the same boat all gallen wants to do is play SOO bugger the sharks and iam sure he is on the same coin as robbie.
what does every one think?
 
The Gallen Origin only issue has been going on for a few seasons now..the Sharks just pay out heaps of $$$ for no return that is there issue. The injury to Farah is unfortunate if he was not injured he would be playing ,I do agree that when high profile players only have eyes for one aspect regardless it does make you wonder . I think Farahs shoulder is shot you could see it the other night and sometimes a bit of honesty from players would be refreshing ,IMO Farah should be rested for the next month or so as playing the next Origin could rule him out for the season …then the club that is paying a substantial amount of its salary cap is screwed nice work if you can get it!
 
Playing for your State or Country should always take precedence over Club Football. I think its great that Robbie and Gallen feel so passionate about their Blues Jumpers [losers], that they are prepared to risk everything to show the pride of their state patch!

But, this really highlights a blight on our game which over the past 10 years has seen an increase, where Representative Teams are not picked on form/achievements. I understand why coaches prefer the 'same' players as it develops a structure, but we need to find a balance between Form Players getting a real chance of being selected & incumbents who have set high benchmarks of achievements for their state or country.

Under the current scenario, the NRL should have Elite Contracts for the games top 50 [or so] players, allowing the showpeice of SOO to not effect the Clubs who suffer in cases like Gallen & Robbie. Under this arrangement, the Clubs would have no rights to sit players out which they feel are injured.

The real question is if the Wests Tigers see Robbies injury as serious and ruled him out of SOO, what would Robbie say/do? [Note: SOO Players get $30k per game, so effectively thats an additional $90k a year]
 
I have no dramas with Farah putting his state first at the moment. It gives guys like Cherrington much needed FG experience and he is the heir apparent to Farah.
 
With a National competition, the whole premise of SOO is completed dated. It is just a marketing tool now that displays the game without the constraint of a salary cap.

SOO was born because Queensland players based in the NSWRL played for NSW in the state matches. It all stemmed from the differences in the state based wage structures - NSWRL clubs paid higher salaries than the QRL. With the NRL and a national wage structure, that's all gone now.

I wish SOO went to one match per season, because the NRL should be the priority. However, if it is so damn important for revenue that 3 SOO matches must be played, then get it over and done with in 4 weeks:

Sunday - 20 team squads named for each SOO team.
Weekend 1: NRL round without the 40 SOO members
Wednesday 1: 1st SOO
Weekend 2: No NRL matches (perhaps play City v Country)
Wednesday 2: 2nd SOO
Weekend 3: No NRL matches
Wednesday 3: 3rd SOO
Weekend 4: Full NRL round with the 40 SOO players named in teams where fit.

Player burnout….pfft...if these SOO players, the elite of our game, can't play SOO 3 weeks in concession, then maybe they are not as tough as they talk.

There you have it....just 1 NRL round without the 40 best players and 1 NRL round with partial involvement. Someone give Todd Greenburg's number?
 
@Gary Bakerloo said:
With a National competition, the whole premise of SOO is completed dated. It is just a marketing tool now that displays the game without the constraint of a salary cap.

SOO was born because Queensland players based in the NSWRL played for NSW in the state matches. It all stemmed from the differences in the state based wage structures - NSWRL clubs paid higher salaries than the QRL. With the NRL and a national wage structure, that's all gone now.

I wish SOO went to one match per season, because the NRL should be the priority. However, if it is so damn important for revenue that 3 SOO matches must be played, then get it over and done with in 4 weeks:

Sunday - 20 team squads named for each SOO team.
Weekend 1: NRL round without the 40 SOO members
Wednesday 1: 1st SOO
Weekend 2: No NRL matches (perhaps play City v Country)
Wednesday 2: 2nd SOO
Weekend 3: No NRL matches
Wednesday 3: 3rd SOO
Weekend 4: Full NRL round with the 40 SOO players named in teams where fit.

Player burnout….pfft...if these SOO players, the elite of our game, can't play SOO 3 weeks in concession, then maybe they are not as tough as they talk.

There you have it....just 1 NRL round without the 40 best players and 1 NRL round with partial involvement. Someone give Todd Greenburg's number?

easier to just do it as 3 standalone weeks with international football, i reckon that's what theyll end up doing.
 
@bp tiger said:
Ok we all know it is a honour to be picked to play for your state or ur country, but at what cost to the club that pays ur salray.

robbie is on $800,00 plus for the tigers, yet it seems that he has no worries about putting his rep career 1st. the club the fans and the sponors dont seem to matter just make sure you are right for each SOO game. with our side not gone real well it should be robbies 1st call to the club and the fans to play for us 1st.
last week without robbie we went real well so maybe the club should say to robbie, we dont need u and we could buy 2 good second rowers with his money.

the sharks our in the same boat all gallen wants to do is play SOO bugger the sharks and iam sure he is on the same coin as robbie.
what does every one think?

I didnt read your post before I just answered another topic with much of the same thoughts. I wholeheartedly agree with you!
 
Although SOO is an anachronism, I enjoy the spectacle of the games elite playing against each other.
However, as I have said in other threads I don't like what SOO's current programming does to the club competition. From my perspective SOO has the potential to derail, or at least majorly disrupt, a clubs season. Why bother following a club when something completely irrelevant can come in and stuff up your season? I am interested in NRL mainly for the club competition and follow it for that reason. SOO, I can take or leave.
Re Robbie, I am one that believes he is more interested in what happens at SOO level than at club level, although to be fair to him I just don't think he sees as much challenge in the club comp. As far as this week goes, I'm glad Robbie is out to give Cherrington another go.
 
The truth, not matter hard difficult it is to accept, is that rugby league, unlike rugby union, is not the international game it could be. The fact that the Australian representative games for every year consist of three SOO matches and only one Test match against neighbouring country New Zealand highlights the incestuous nature of rugby league in Australia, England and New Zealnd. There is of course a pseudo World Cup held every few years but with England, NZ and Australia being perpetual semi finalist this international competition borders on being a farce mainly because the two richest rugby league nations, Australia and England do not spend enough money on developing rugby league in counties such as New Guinea, Pacific Island nations, France and other countries.
 
Ideally, SOO shall be played after the GF, however, if NRL/Ch9 insists to play SOO during the season, they shall compensate the clubs affected with injuries for the period they cannot play for the club e.g.
if Farah cannot play 4 games for WT due to injuries (assuming his on $800k pa)
NRL/Ch9 shall pay WT $800k * 4/26 = $123 k, and
if Woods is on $ 400k, and cannot play 10 games for WT
$ 400 * 10/26 = $154k

So WT shall be paid $123k + $154k = $ 277k

Additionally, clubs that supply players for SOO shall be paid % of profit from SOO, e.g.
total profit from SOO = $ 500M, at say 1% paid to clubs = $ 5 M, so for each player clubs shall receive $ 5M/18 (assuming 18 players are selected) = $278k.
 
@InBenjiWeTrust said:
Ideally, SOO shall be played after the GF, however, if NRL/Ch9 insists to play SOO during the season, they shall compensate the clubs affected with injuries for the period they cannot play for the club e.g.
if Farah cannot play 4 games for WT due to injuries (assuming his on $800k pa)
NRL/Ch9 shall pay WT $800k * 4/26 = $123 k, and
if Woods is on $ 400k, and cannot play 10 games for WT
$ 400 * 10/26 = $154k

So WT shall be paid $123k + $154k = $ 277k

Additionally, clubs that supply players for SOO shall be paid % of profit from SOO, e.g.
total profit from SOO = $ 500M, at say 1% paid to clubs = $ 5 M, so for each player clubs shall receive $ 5M/18 (assuming 18 players are selected) = $278k.

SOO & NRL Premiership are negotiated as 2 separate packages, but Ch9 dont fund the Wests Tigers in any manner so compensation would be non-existant.

So, it could be more like Channel Nine will ask the NRL for compensation for the Wests Tigers not fielding a competitive team during this period, as its the NRL's responsibility to ensure competitive games each week.
 
Des Hasler was commenting on this last week and he had a good point about the Nrl games become irrelevant during SOO.
IMO the whole draw is arbitrary and even more so at SOO time with teams disadvantaged and unable to use their rep players.
Why not ideal i would rather the comp be reduced to teams playing each other once ,SOO x3 ,test matches,city/country,nines all played on weekends separately making up the season.
Realistically this is never going to happen as the NRL doesn't have control of it's own destiny and the owners of the broadcasting rights would never agree to reduce there grip on control.
 
Play Origin at the end of the season.
That way it does not impact on teams during the year.

I always thought the aim of playing club footy was to win a premiership.
 
@westTAHger said:
Play Origin at the end of the season.
That way it does not impact on teams during the year.

I always thought the aim of playing club footy was to win a premiership.

With players like Farah and woods not playing for the previous 6 weeks? I don't like that plan.
It's been going on since the mid 80s and while it's not ideal i can't see a better option that what we got now.
 
IMO Origin should be stand alone . It should be played on 3 consecutive Wednesday's .
Stop the comp for 2 weeks & play city/ county and the pacific tests …
Having Origin after the Grand Final wouldn't work , if an Origin players team don't make the semis in the regular season those players would have to sit around for a month until the Grand Final has been played which would work IMO .

Slightly off topic .. Can we please have the Anzac Test on Anzac Day !!!!!

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@pHyR3 said:
@Gary Bakerloo said:
With a National competition, the whole premise of SOO is completed dated. It is just a marketing tool now that displays the game without the constraint of a salary cap.

SOO was born because Queensland players based in the NSWRL played for NSW in the state matches. It all stemmed from the differences in the state based wage structures - NSWRL clubs paid higher salaries than the QRL. With the NRL and a national wage structure, that's all gone now.

I wish SOO went to one match per season, because the NRL should be the priority. However, if it is so damn important for revenue that 3 SOO matches must be played, then get it over and done with in 4 weeks:

Sunday - 20 team squads named for each SOO team.
Weekend 1: NRL round without the 40 SOO members
Wednesday 1: 1st SOO
Weekend 2: No NRL matches (perhaps play City v Country)
Wednesday 2: 2nd SOO
Weekend 3: No NRL matches
Wednesday 3: 3rd SOO
Weekend 4: Full NRL round with the 40 SOO players named in teams where fit.

Player burnout….pfft...if these SOO players, the elite of our game, can't play SOO 3 weeks in concession, then maybe they are not as tough as they talk.

There you have it....just 1 NRL round without the 40 best players and 1 NRL round with partial involvement. Someone give Todd Greenburg's number?

easier to just do it as 3 standalone weeks with international football, i reckon that's what theyll end up doing.

I think the only way it will happen will be if they sell SOO and NRL as different deals for FTA rights for TV
 
@hobbo2803 said:
IMO Origin should be stand alone . It should be played on 3 consecutive Wednesday's .
Stop the comp for 2 weeks & play city/ county and the pacific tests …
Having Origin after the Grand Final wouldn't work , if an Origin players team don't make the semis in the regular season those players would have to sit around for a month until the Grand Final has been played which would work IMO .

Slightly off topic .. Can we please have the Anzac Test on Anzac Day !!!!!

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Agreed… Anzac Test on Anzac Day!

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