Starford To’a #253

[innsaneink]

There are some posters on here who examine every single letter used in a reply to their post, looking for an excuse to accuse the reply owner of everything but sodomy, hate to live in their house and they are the reason that a lot of posters have moved to other forums

You'll be surprised to hear this but i know part of the main problem is that it's those senior posters who have been here a very long time,

This is what i mean about by holding needless, unjustified and endless grudges, it is these guys who are guilty of it,

If you haven't even disrespected them or even insulted them but have upset one of them many **many moons ago** then they just don't forget it! and neither do their many friends.

How the hell can you have peace and move forward when the senior posters keep showing this attitude?

Name names... Generalising is never wise

 

[hank37w]


Sounds like he’ll fit right in.

Fit right in to what? Yesterday we were talking about people training really well and you said that was irrelevant.

We have no shortage of players who lack hunger.

I think we got rid of the worst such offenders - BJ Leilua, Moses Mbye, Russell Packer

BJ never lacked hunger.

. . . . . . . . . and it showed!

 

[Honkylips]

Starford To’a:

11 tries in 20 games too

Talau has scored 19 in 35 games. Hell, look at our all time leading try scorer. It doesn’t tell you a lot.

wtf is ur problem i just said he scored 11 tries in 20 games
did i even say if he was good or bad ?

He’s like that with everyone on here he thinks because he’s been here for 10 years he can talk to everyone like crap he’s just rude bro that’s all it is

How was that even rude?

Because that’s the way you talk to pretty much everyone on here all the guy said was 11 tries in 20 games he didn’t even say its a good or bad thing yet straight away you’re just shutting him out for saying it I maybe you don’t mean to be rude but in most cases you are simply because they don’t agree with you or if they say something you don’t like

You've been here two months, post a lot of dribble, with the grammar of a 12 year old. You could consider learning punctuation and taking some time before criticising others.

You're obviously also too young to understand the two primary types of tigers fans. Blindly delusional optimists, or cynical frustrated fans. Balmain, Wests and Wests Tigers have been losers for the best part of 50 years. To keep supporting the team you either need to be delusional or cynical.

You beat me to it @balmain-boy .
Who does @Glenji95 think he is telling someone how they should behave on a forum? Whether you agree or disagree with Gunners he has a right to be as he is.

For the record, I fall into the cynically frustrated fan :grin:

 

[innsaneink]

You make a very good point @Leichardt61 and from time to time it's worth talking about it, and in this case it doesn't matter what thread it's in.

It's easy to forget that people are in fact very forgetful, **but except**, not when it comes to **holding grudges**,

A righteous man does not hold unjustified endless grudges, a rightful man does not judge a person by just relying on past disagreements with another person, a rightful man accepts a rightful man as he is and does not try to portray that man as unworthy and try to belittle and disgrace that person.

A rightful man knows that **those who hold endless and needless grudges** can not be called rightful men but they'll just be known as pussycats.

They may look scary but they are really just upset little pussycats and not real men.

What the **shit** did I just read?

Would you like to perhaps eleborate for us @PJ ? and let us all know what your thaughts are about the context of my post? Because at the moment i have no idea what you understood or misunderstood.

I wasn't having a crack at you mate, far from it.
I dont know why u were talking about pussycats and grudges when we just picked up a decent Signing that hopefully will give a few nuffies a run for their money.

A-OK mate, the grudges that were displayed today were not in fact directed at me, my intentention with my post ealier was to reawake the forum about this constant and needless problem,
the pussycat reference was not meant as derogatory but was meant as someone pretending to be tough or threatening with their language on this forum, i hope this cleared it up, and we move on from this.
And yes i can't say for sure but i also feel that Starford could be a Star signing. Cheers

Maybe if you quote the post you're replying to instead, of tagging the member, we can see the context and relevance of your sermon

 

[Cobarcats]

I support you somewhat **tbones10**.
In my earlier post I said he finds himself in no-mans land often just like Noffa sometimes does but I think that's our team as a whole not adjusting quick enough to shifts.
If our wingers refuse to leave their wing and a try is scored on the inside, then the critics would rant about the wings effort.
My point is our inside men need a lot of work before you throw in a newcomer who has some issues.
I've got a feeling that To'a, Gildart, Tupou, Hastings and Laurie will feature prominently in latter parts of 2022 and 2023.

 

[Demps]

Some journo said he's a bad trainer.

He's signed with a club that has one of the hardest coaches in regards to training.

He's coming to the right club if he wants to be pushed.

Age is on his side also, I'm not at all worried about this signing... he'll prove his worth.

 

[The_Patriot]

Some journo said he's a bad trainer.

He's signed with a club that has one of the hardest coaches in regards to training.

He's coming to the right club if he wants to be pushed.

Age is on his side also, I'm not at all worried about this signing... he'll prove his worth.

Just don't mention his try per game ratio lol.

 

[Demps]

Some journo said he's a bad trainer.

He's signed with a club that has one of the hardest coaches in regards to training.

He's coming to the right club if he wants to be pushed.

Age is on his side also, I'm not at all worried about this signing... he'll prove his worth.

Just don't mention his try per game ratio lol.

If he can run the right direction he's already an upgrade on Mr. Ferrari.

?

 

[sly]

He was quite talented as a junior, but had a massive ego problem, went on a kids tour to England and put a lot of people offside with his highly over inflated opinion of his own ability. Very similar to Hastings in terms of doesn’t handle criticism well and the fact is he wanted to play fullback at the knights but would not do the work on his cardio to be played there , but he has upside , strong, young and genuine tackle breaker, just hope he’s toned it down a bit off the park and works hard on his fitness , can be a great addition for us.

 

[Tigers_Wests]

Interesting read below from a Kiwi website "The Niche Cache". I really rate Maguire's targeting of To'a and the other players mentioned below.

"Wests Tigers have signed Auckland's Starford To'a (Mt Wellington Warriors) from Newcastle Knights for an immediate move, which falls in line with a bunch of other Kiwi-NRL recruitment moves from Aotearoa Kiwis coach Michael Maguire. I planted this seed back in September as Aussie media were in their weird Tigers frenzy and as I break down all the Kiwi-NRL wrinkles here, it's clear that Maguire loves Aotearoa.

As noted in the previous yarn, Maguire is also building out a hefty Indigenous Australian culture at the Tigers. Keep this in mind as I yarn through this from my Kiwi-NRL bias and all the good vibes that reside in the appreciation of Kiwi-NRL talent also applies to the Indigenous side of things for Maguire and the Tigers.

To'a has been a high quality Kiwi-NRL junior, cracking a bunch of NZRL representative teams before moving to Australia as part of the Knights' Auckland recruitment drive. After moving to Australia, To'a made the Australian Schoolboys team (just like Marist Saints junior Deine Mariner last year) and To'a then wiggled into the Knights NRL team as well as the 2019 Junior Kiwis.

After playing in the Under 19 Junior Kiwis team, To'a was invited to Aotearoa Kiwis camp in 2019 as a development player and guess who brought To'a into the Kiwis mixer? Coach Maguire.

To'a and Asu Kepaoa (Sacred Heart College) are like many Kiwi-NRL juniors in that they grew up playing together in Auckland's rugby league circuit. Kepaoa was also part of the 2019 Junior Kiwis team and as soon as it became clear that someone needed to make way at Sydney Roosters for Sonny Bill Williams' arrival in 2020, Maguire pounced on signing Keapaoa.

This summer there was also the low key move of Christian Ma'anaima (Glenfield Greyhounds) from Newcastle into the Tigers wider NRL training squad. I wrote this about Newcastle Knights signing a bunch of lads from Auckland and another clear trend has been the Tigers sigining the vast majority of their Kiwi-NRL talent from other clubs (as opposed to recruiting out of Aotearoa). To'a, Kepaoa and Ma'anaima are easy examples to throw up, although there is no shortage of such example.

As soon as Ken Maumalo's (Papatoetoe Panthers) future at NZ Warriors became murky like the mangroves, Maguire pounced and Maumalo was soon starting on the wing for the Tigers.

North Queensland Cowboys sealed a deal with Rotorua's Tukimihia Simpkins (Rotorua Boys High School) while he was playing 1st 15/1st 13 and making all sorts of rep teams in both codes. Simpkins moved to Townsville and into the Cowboys system, then this time last year Simpkins moved to Tigers where he made his NRL debut last season.

Simpkins and To'a share a similar journey to the Tigers. Highly decorated NZRL juniors, recruited by a club (Knights/Cowboys) then lured to Tigers in January/February ahead of the NRL season.

Junior Pauga (Glenora Bears) was a NZ Warriors junior who wound up moving to Queensland's Wynnum Manly Seagulls to play reserve grade. Pauga battled away with Wynnum and then Maguire snapped Pauga up mid-season last year to make his NRL debut. Kelma Tuilagi (Glenora Bears) also made his debut last season after leaving the Melbourne Storm system.

Israel Ogden (Mangere East) and Joseph Taipari (Halswell Hornets - Christchurch) are also sniffing around Tigers NRL footy as part of the NSW Cup group. Once again, the key thing here is that both were signed by the Tigers under coach Maguire from other NRL clubs who had recruited them from Aotearoa. Ogden came up through NZ Warriors, while Taipari was recruited by Parramatta Eels and played alongside Dylan Brown (Hikurangi Stags - Whangarei) in the Eels juniors.

The Tigers Jersey Flegg squad features Tamehana Paruru, Jarney Proctor-Harwood and Tray Lolesio who all played in the 2020 NZ Warriors SG Ball team. Maguire recruited them to play Western Suburbs SG Ball last year and they'll move up a level this year, while Samuel Kamu (Ellerslie Eagles) is also in this Tigers Flegg squad and guess what!?

Kamu was signed from Newcastle Knights. Kamu won the 2018 'Auckland College Player of the Year' while at Mount Albert Grammar School before moving to Newcastle and then wound up, moving to the Tigers Flegg squad last year.

Junior Tupou is a name to note down as well after Tupou joined the Tigers NRL squad from ACT Brumbies late last year. Tupou was born and raised in Auckland before moving to Australia at 14-years-old and sliding into the Canberra Raiders system where he made NSW U16 and U18, before a move to Super Rugby which resulted in Tupou being named in the 2021 Junior Wallabies. This highlights video falls into the right time-frame and features a highly athletic young lad that resembles Tupou - although I’m not certain...

All of these Kiwi-NRL lads are in the wider Tigers squad for 2022. Based on everything that we know about Maguire's Kiwi-NRL recruitment, it is no surprise that Maguire and the Tigers sealed a deal for Isaiah Papali'i (Te Atatu Roosters) for 2023 and beyond. The beauty of Maguire's Kiwi-NRL recruitment is the combination of certified Aotearoa Kiwis like Papali'i and Maumalo, Kiwi-NRL youngsters like To'a, Kepaoa, Simpkins and Tuilagi as well as deep cuts in the junior ranks.

When rocking the Kiwi-NRL goggles, it's kinda funny how blatant coach Maguire is using his Kiwi-NRL mana to fill the Tigers roster with lads from Aotearoa. Much of this stems from Maguire's intention to build a diverse culture within the Tigers, celebrating Maori, Polynesian and Indigenous Australian culture. Value is also a factor here and Maguire is finding value in signings like Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart from England, as well as pouncing quickly on cheap talent such as their most recent signing Starford To'a."

 

[earl]

@Tigers_Wests - good article. Thanks for that.

 

[tiger_one]

Yes, champion @Tigers_Wests - loved this article.

 

[TieDye]

I liked the premise but it seemed strangely worded...

 

[FinestTigers]

There are some posters on here who examine every single letter used in a reply to their post, looking for an excuse to accuse the reply owner of everything but sodomy, hate to live in their house and they are the reason that a lot of posters have moved to other forums

You'll be surprised to hear this but i know part of the main problem is that it's those senior posters who have been here a very long time,

This is what i mean about by holding needless, unjustified and endless grudges, it is these guys who are guilty of it,

If you haven't even disrespected them or even insulted them but have upset one of them many **many moons ago** then they just don't forget it! and neither do their many friends.

How the hell can you have peace and move forward when the senior posters keep showing this attitude?

Name names... Generalising is never wise

What good is that going to achieve Innsane?
It's a common problem you can't name names.
At the time i felt that i needed to express my honest observations and i'll leave it at that, of course this was not to harm but only to benefit the WT forum, if you want to have further discussions perhaps you can start a new thread where we can discuss this topic of holding endless and needless grudges.

 

[Tim Sheens]


A couple of concerns earlier in his reply, so "hopefully" the last sentence plays out.

 

[pawsandclaws1]


A couple of concerns earlier in his reply, so "hopefully" the last sentence plays out.

I believe Nathan Cayless' influence on the young Kiwi players will imo be significant. The pride he took in representing his country will rub off on our players. Toa will benefit from his presence.

 

[bathursttiger1]


A couple of concerns earlier in his reply, so "hopefully" the last sentence plays out.

That's just Toohey trying to put some spin on his release, remember that he is a News Corp Jurno!!!!

 

[tiger_scott]

>
>...... I planted this seed back in September as Aussie media were in their weird Tigers frenzy........ and as I break down all the Kiwi-NRL wrinkles here, it's clear that Maguire loves Aotearoa.

It is interesting to note that an "outsider" was able to spot/call out the fascination certain media types/outlets have with our team. Sometimes we may think we're too sensitive with things relating to our team, but it looks like that maybe we're not?

 

[balmain boy]

>
>...... I planted this seed back in September as Aussie media were in their weird Tigers frenzy........ and as I break down all the Kiwi-NRL wrinkles here, it's clear that Maguire loves Aotearoa.

It is interesting to note that an "outsider" was able to spot/call out the fascination certain media types/outlets have with our team. Sometimes we may think we're too sensitive with things relating to our team, but it looks like that maybe we're not?

A third of the players in hte NRL have kiwi origins. Saying that we have a dozen kiwis in our extended squad doesn't prove much

 

[tiger_scott]

I was more referring to the contestant negative bias of the Tigers related news rather than the number of Kiwis in our squad.