Stefano Utoikamanu #241

@chicken_faced_killa said in [Stefano](/post/1459865) said:
@twentyforty said in [Stefano](/post/1459864) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Stefano](/post/1459843) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459333) said:
I'm starting to see the potential availability of Luke Thompson as a more obvious step to bolster the forward pack and support Stefano.

Tamou is more or less done - he'll do a job but he's not a forward leader any more, not unless his form dramatically improves 2022.

Blore is the real deal just needs more matches under his belt without injury.

Twal gives you guaranteed workman output.

Joffa has been very disappointing - maybe he can turn it around, but as an experienced campaigner he's been making less and less impact as the year has gone on, and we bought him for the purpose of providing that impact and mobility.

So it leaves us one prop short; a dynamic, aggressive prop to support Stefano's obvious talent.

either Thompson or Woods to support Stef


Haas is the guy I would like to see at WT. He’s clearly not happy.

Didn’t he just re-sign with the Broncos?

That was FAKE News..Broncos even made a statement about it..
 
@geo said in [Stefano](/post/1459868) said:
@chicken_faced_killa said in [Stefano](/post/1459865) said:
@twentyforty said in [Stefano](/post/1459864) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Stefano](/post/1459843) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459333) said:
I'm starting to see the potential availability of Luke Thompson as a more obvious step to bolster the forward pack and support Stefano.

Tamou is more or less done - he'll do a job but he's not a forward leader any more, not unless his form dramatically improves 2022.

Blore is the real deal just needs more matches under his belt without injury.

Twal gives you guaranteed workman output.

Joffa has been very disappointing - maybe he can turn it around, but as an experienced campaigner he's been making less and less impact as the year has gone on, and we bought him for the purpose of providing that impact and mobility.

So it leaves us one prop short; a dynamic, aggressive prop to support Stefano's obvious talent.

either Thompson or Woods to support Stef


Haas is the guy I would like to see at WT. He’s clearly not happy.

Didn’t he just re-sign with the Broncos?

That was FAKE News..Broncos even made a statement about it..

Hes sacking Orr. He is signed through to 24.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Stefano](/post/1459194) said:
It was great watching him run over the top of Kikau. Sick of hearing how he's a barnstorming forward when all he does is run at halves and centres. Stef levelled him.

Agree. No-one mentioned that Stephano ran over Kikau at LO to score a try in round 1.

Kikau is Stephano's bunny.
 
@tigertuff said in [Stefano](/post/1459841) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459766) said:
@tigertuff said in [Stefano](/post/1459723) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459333) said:
I'm starting to see the potential availability of Luke Thompson as a more obvious step to bolster the forward pack and support Stefano.

Tamou is more or less done - he'll do a job but he's not a forward leader any more, not unless his form dramatically improves 2022.

Blore is the real deal just needs more matches under his belt without injury.

Twal gives you guaranteed workman output.

Joffa has been very disappointing - maybe he can turn it around, but as an experienced campaigner he's been making less and less impact as the year has gone on, and we bought him for the purpose of providing that impact and mobility.

So it leaves us one prop short; a dynamic, aggressive prop to support Stefano's obvious talent.

So does that mean we would now have Twal, Steph, Mickaele, Musgrove, Offas, Tamou and now we want another Prop. How much is this one gonna cost and is that what this club really needs. I didnt count amone also as who knows what is happening with him. That would mean we have 7 props (with Thompson) in a 30 man squad and 8 if you count amone. I think we have enough props. We are now stuck with Tamou for another year and correct me if im wrong but Offas for 2 more. Dont get me started on that one though.

A good prop. The players you mention, only Stefano is playing well. Twal mostly plays lock these days and Joffa more like backrow.

He is a good prop mate (when he is on the field) and of course he would make us better but we have snookered ourselves again with long term contracts to crap like Tamou and Offas. In my opinion Twal is a Prop and surely you cant have Offas on an edge so he is not a backrower so i dont know where he sits. If i had my way he would be in reggies. Why we keep persisting with him whilst Tuki is on the sidelines i dont know. Same goes for Luci. I thought we were developing these kids but that must be done from the sidelines these days.

Tuki isn't quite ready and needs another offseason.
 
@cochise said in [Stefano](/post/1459889) said:
@tigertuff said in [Stefano](/post/1459841) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459766) said:
@tigertuff said in [Stefano](/post/1459723) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459333) said:
I'm starting to see the potential availability of Luke Thompson as a more obvious step to bolster the forward pack and support Stefano.

Tamou is more or less done - he'll do a job but he's not a forward leader any more, not unless his form dramatically improves 2022.

Blore is the real deal just needs more matches under his belt without injury.

Twal gives you guaranteed workman output.

Joffa has been very disappointing - maybe he can turn it around, but as an experienced campaigner he's been making less and less impact as the year has gone on, and we bought him for the purpose of providing that impact and mobility.

So it leaves us one prop short; a dynamic, aggressive prop to support Stefano's obvious talent.

So does that mean we would now have Twal, Steph, Mickaele, Musgrove, Offas, Tamou and now we want another Prop. How much is this one gonna cost and is that what this club really needs. I didnt count amone also as who knows what is happening with him. That would mean we have 7 props (with Thompson) in a 30 man squad and 8 if you count amone. I think we have enough props. We are now stuck with Tamou for another year and correct me if im wrong but Offas for 2 more. Dont get me started on that one though.

A good prop. The players you mention, only Stefano is playing well. Twal mostly plays lock these days and Joffa more like backrow.

He is a good prop mate (when he is on the field) and of course he would make us better but we have snookered ourselves again with long term contracts to crap like Tamou and Offas. In my opinion Twal is a Prop and surely you cant have Offas on an edge so he is not a backrower so i dont know where he sits. If i had my way he would be in reggies. Why we keep persisting with him whilst Tuki is on the sidelines i dont know. Same goes for Luci. I thought we were developing these kids but that must be done from the sidelines these days.

Tuki isn't quite ready and needs another offseason.

He sure does and probably more. But i reckon we have more of a chance of winning comp with him in a couple of years than Offa so for me out goes Offa and in comes Tuki. Same for Tualagi for Luci. We are playing the wooden spooners in a non event of a game after all. If ever you want your players "developed" this is it. Wont be happening from the grandstands though. I obviously think differently to Madge.
 
@cochise said in [Stefano](/post/1459889) said:
@tigertuff said in [Stefano](/post/1459841) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459766) said:
@tigertuff said in [Stefano](/post/1459723) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459333) said:
I'm starting to see the potential availability of Luke Thompson as a more obvious step to bolster the forward pack and support Stefano.

Tamou is more or less done - he'll do a job but he's not a forward leader any more, not unless his form dramatically improves 2022.

Blore is the real deal just needs more matches under his belt without injury.

Twal gives you guaranteed workman output.

Joffa has been very disappointing - maybe he can turn it around, but as an experienced campaigner he's been making less and less impact as the year has gone on, and we bought him for the purpose of providing that impact and mobility.

So it leaves us one prop short; a dynamic, aggressive prop to support Stefano's obvious talent.

So does that mean we would now have Twal, Steph, Mickaele, Musgrove, Offas, Tamou and now we want another Prop. How much is this one gonna cost and is that what this club really needs. I didnt count amone also as who knows what is happening with him. That would mean we have 7 props (with Thompson) in a 30 man squad and 8 if you count amone. I think we have enough props. We are now stuck with Tamou for another year and correct me if im wrong but Offas for 2 more. Dont get me started on that one though.

A good prop. The players you mention, only Stefano is playing well. Twal mostly plays lock these days and Joffa more like backrow.

He is a good prop mate (when he is on the field) and of course he would make us better but we have snookered ourselves again with long term contracts to crap like Tamou and Offas. In my opinion Twal is a Prop and surely you cant have Offas on an edge so he is not a backrower so i dont know where he sits. If i had my way he would be in reggies. Why we keep persisting with him whilst Tuki is on the sidelines i dont know. Same goes for Luci. I thought we were developing these kids but that must be done from the sidelines these days.

Tuki isn't quite ready and needs another offseason.

I thought tuki was good in his limited stints

Just needs a good offseason to musclr up and get vus minutes up

Keep up those offloads tho
 
@mighty_tiger said in [Stefano](/post/1459670) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459333) said:
I'm starting to see the potential availability of Luke Thompson as a more obvious step to bolster the forward pack and support Stefano.

Tamou is more or less done - he'll do a job but he's not a forward leader any more, not unless his form dramatically improves 2022.

Blore is the real deal just needs more matches under his belt without injury.

Twal gives you guaranteed workman output.

Joffa has been very disappointing - maybe he can turn it around, but as an experienced campaigner he's been making less and less impact as the year has gone on, and we bought him for the purpose of providing that impact and mobility.

So it leaves us one prop short; a dynamic, aggressive prop to support Stefano's obvious talent.

I think Joffa has been played all over the place.
He looks lean as atm almost like Madge is trying to mould him into a backrow/lock style motor player.

Agree on someone like Thompson. Stefano needs support up front and very soon otherwise he will pack up and leave or get burnt out. Stefano is one heck of a talent someone we can build off for sure.

Im a fan of Joffa. He is really putting in and his effort is there every game. If we can get to a point where Joffa is the weak link in our pack, we are looking good.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Stefano](/post/1460070) said:
@mighty_tiger said in [Stefano](/post/1459670) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459333) said:
I'm starting to see the potential availability of Luke Thompson as a more obvious step to bolster the forward pack and support Stefano.

Tamou is more or less done - he'll do a job but he's not a forward leader any more, not unless his form dramatically improves 2022.

Blore is the real deal just needs more matches under his belt without injury.

Twal gives you guaranteed workman output.

Joffa has been very disappointing - maybe he can turn it around, but as an experienced campaigner he's been making less and less impact as the year has gone on, and we bought him for the purpose of providing that impact and mobility.

So it leaves us one prop short; a dynamic, aggressive prop to support Stefano's obvious talent.

I think Joffa has been played all over the place.
He looks lean as atm almost like Madge is trying to mould him into a backrow/lock style motor player.

Agree on someone like Thompson. Stefano needs support up front and very soon otherwise he will pack up and leave or get burnt out. Stefano is one heck of a talent someone we can build off for sure.

Im a fan of Joffa. He is really putting in and his effort is there every game. If we can get to a point where Joffa is the weak link in our pack, we are looking good.

Joffa makes the occasional arm grab which he needs to get out of his game, then I’ll agree with you.
 
@thedaboss said in [Stefano](/post/1460029) said:
@cochise said in [Stefano](/post/1459889) said:
@tigertuff said in [Stefano](/post/1459841) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459766) said:
@tigertuff said in [Stefano](/post/1459723) said:
@jirskyr said in [Stefano](/post/1459333) said:
I'm starting to see the potential availability of Luke Thompson as a more obvious step to bolster the forward pack and support Stefano.

Tamou is more or less done - he'll do a job but he's not a forward leader any more, not unless his form dramatically improves 2022.

Blore is the real deal just needs more matches under his belt without injury.

Twal gives you guaranteed workman output.

Joffa has been very disappointing - maybe he can turn it around, but as an experienced campaigner he's been making less and less impact as the year has gone on, and we bought him for the purpose of providing that impact and mobility.

So it leaves us one prop short; a dynamic, aggressive prop to support Stefano's obvious talent.

So does that mean we would now have Twal, Steph, Mickaele, Musgrove, Offas, Tamou and now we want another Prop. How much is this one gonna cost and is that what this club really needs. I didnt count amone also as who knows what is happening with him. That would mean we have 7 props (with Thompson) in a 30 man squad and 8 if you count amone. I think we have enough props. We are now stuck with Tamou for another year and correct me if im wrong but Offas for 2 more. Dont get me started on that one though.

A good prop. The players you mention, only Stefano is playing well. Twal mostly plays lock these days and Joffa more like backrow.

He is a good prop mate (when he is on the field) and of course he would make us better but we have snookered ourselves again with long term contracts to crap like Tamou and Offas. In my opinion Twal is a Prop and surely you cant have Offas on an edge so he is not a backrower so i dont know where he sits. If i had my way he would be in reggies. Why we keep persisting with him whilst Tuki is on the sidelines i dont know. Same goes for Luci. I thought we were developing these kids but that must be done from the sidelines these days.

Tuki isn't quite ready and needs another offseason.

I thought tuki was good in his limited stints

Just needs a good offseason to musclr up and get vus minutes up

Keep up those offloads tho

Yeah I agree, a good strong off season will do him the world of good.
 
Would just like to say his chase to catch Meaney was inspiring. He didn't have to do it but he did. That's what you want from your players. Play with heart until the final siren. The footage of the chase should be shown to his team mates and future team mates.
 
Only lad with a pulse out there today.
In awe of how professional he is.

Deserves better.
 
@alx22 said in [How good is Stefano?](/post/1464257) said:
Would just like to say his chase to catch Meaney was inspiring. He didn't have to do it but he did. That's what you want from your players. Play with heart until the final siren. The footage of the chase should be shown to his team mates and future team mates.

He’s the only one that can hold his head up today.
Close to the only one who seemed like he had any pride.
We need to build around him.
 
Stefano, Mikele, Twal all played hard today

Mikele made 140m and 33 tackles

Twal 61 tackles 0 misses and 100m

A couple of blokes went off early with injuries who cant be blamed and Nofa tried hard out of poistion but the rest was very very poor
 
@boonboon said in [How good is Stefano?](/post/1464277) said:
Stefano, Mikele, Twal all played hard today

Mikele made 140m and 33 tackles

Twal 61 tackles 0 misses and 100m

A couple of blokes went off early with injuries who cant be blamed and Nofa tried hard out of poistion but the rest was very very poor

That is the problem. a couple of these blokes have stats against them, but honestly had no impact on the game. Mikaele offers little and I wouldn't have been sad to see him go
 
@demps said in [How good is Stefano?](/post/1464265) said:
Only lad with a pulse out there today.
In awe of how professional he is.

Deserves better.

That's what worries me.

For the sake of his career he should walk.

It took external coaching to light a spark inside him. We all saw how improved he was after the origin experience.

Fear for his further development unless we somehow turn things around...
 
One of a few reasons I'll be back next year.
95% of the team should show half as much effort as the young kid.
Hope we hang on to him.
 
Stef will get big money offers to play in a winning team. We are sure to lose him .
Jez he has alot of potential
 
Tackling a fullback into touch was the play that tells you everything you need to know about this kid..

Be up there with the elite Front rowers in the game as he continues to develop.

Well done UTOIKAMANU..
 
I actually think the forwards had a go today - for a young pack with little leadership or direction. The backline however was the worst I can remember- since the night Lovett went to the centres. In saying that there is slim pickings.
 

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