Still a boys club

[goldcoast_tiger]

I agree with that the buck does stop with them AND the rest of the players .although I can't put blame on Sirro too much , as in my opinion he was mucked around with from the first time that he came up to 1st Grade with positions. He never knew where the hell he was going to be.
I think that he will get better at The Eagles, but who Knows.

That excuse got tired years ago and no doubt he's had far too many people repeating it to him over the years. What they need to be taught more than anything else is personal responsibility. It's not always someone else's job to make everything easier for them. Sirro didn't need to be told 2 years in advance that he was going to moved to the second row. Once he was there he was there and he needed to work on his fitness and his involvement in a game - these remain issues to this day.

Moses and Brooks don't need "minders" making every tackle for them. They shouldn't be waiting around for a coach to come along and magically make them better players, they need to find it within themselves. They need to try harder to physically compete in defence and they need to learn what works for them in terms of maintaining mental composure.

Carroll was a minder for langer for a fair while playing for the Broncos
Beau Scott has had plenty of experience in that job too, among a lot of other backrowers. The point you miss is that most clubs do NOT put two rookie halves with suspect defence in at the same time. That's a club and Coach failure , and a stupid one.
Il say it again, I think they were thrown to the wolves way too early. That can't be changed now but the club has a lot to answer to for doing it , any future would have to look at whether they need help from outside or whether to sign one or both and work with them to fix their obvious problems. There are a lot of problems to be addressed, I hope whoever comes in is capable of doing that

I don't miss that point, I just don't care about it. It's just weak. You go in and you swim if you're good enough and if you're not good enough you at least learn how to tread water to survive. You don't just sink to the bottom waiting for a lifesaver. I hope whoever comes in gives them no excuses. They don't need to be coddled and told they've been hard done by, they need to be told to harden up and take responsibility for the results of the team. Otherwise they can bugger off.

You would be happy with putting two novices into first grade in two of the most important positions rather than have one of them and an experienced player,
You've seen the results of your sink or swim theory, maybe you should be a swimming coach :slight_smile:
Hopefully the New Coach can reverse the problems caused already , otherwise a lot of money has been wasted . Apart from the wasted money that we use to have RF play for Souths.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

We have such an immature lot that think they are that good. Anytime when they can't deliver, they blame the coach. How about they concentrate on their own game, they should be responsible for themselves. I am sick of them telling the club they won't play under the coach. Who are they to tell the club? They are not good enough, that is the truth about the whole thing. Have a look into the mirror to take on their responsibility and stop the blaming game. Woods is a big pussy, Tedesco doesn't passed the ball, Brooks is not up to standard and Moses need to lift. That is your spine. We need men, not boys and we are sick of them blaming the coach other than themselves.b

You might be right , but could you please post the quotes where you've seen or heard any player say any of that about the Coach ? It might be a long search but it'd be good to hear or see them ,
Or are you just repeating gossip???

 

[Masterton]

There has been plenty of criticism of Brooks and Moses - some warranted. But let's remember that the former coach (I refuse to use his name) played in the halves and certainly doesn't seem to have been able to help Brooks and Moses to work to the potential they showed at school and SG Ball level. Let's see how Andrew Webster goes over the coming weeks as caretaker - also a former halfback so could work as an assistant coach working with the halves on a week to week basis. **He definitely couldn't do any worse than the now departed coach.**

You assume too much!

Like most, I have hopes Taylor's sacking will be the kick up the clacker the club needs, But, should we not make the semis this year, the new coach can't be said to have any done any better. Things could get a lot worse.

So you don't think that a new Coach should get a bit of slack to get the new processes in place
And get the time to work on the things that Taylor wasn't able to fix, as well as the things that he made worse. Taylor has had two seasons and three preseasons toget this team where it is, and that's not a good place. Yet the new coach is expected to remedy that in a short time?????
I think that we will get either a win or at least a respectable lossthis week, but it is going the best part of the season to get any consistency. And it might take more than that, il be happy if we can past halftime in our games and still be in the games for this year. That'd be a hell of an improvement

We finished 9th last season. Even a slight improvement should get us into the 8\. I don't expect a big improvement or any consistency for a while. And yeah, I'll be cutting the new coach some slack. I'm sure we'll still have some shockers.

Of course, this does depend on how long it takes to appoint a new coach. If we take 8 weeks, the season could well be gone.

 

[Nelson]

That excuse got tired years ago and no doubt he's had far too many people repeating it to him over the years. What they need to be taught more than anything else is personal responsibility. It's not always someone else's job to make everything easier for them. Sirro didn't need to be told 2 years in advance that he was going to moved to the second row. Once he was there he was there and he needed to work on his fitness and his involvement in a game - these remain issues to this day.

Moses and Brooks don't need "minders" making every tackle for them. They shouldn't be waiting around for a coach to come along and magically make them better players, they need to find it within themselves. They need to try harder to physically compete in defence and they need to learn what works for them in terms of maintaining mental composure.

Carroll was a minder for langer for a fair while playing for the Broncos
Beau Scott has had plenty of experience in that job too, among a lot of other backrowers. The point you miss is that most clubs do NOT put two rookie halves with suspect defence in at the same time. That's a club and Coach failure , and a stupid one.
Il say it again, I think they were thrown to the wolves way too early. That can't be changed now but the club has a lot to answer to for doing it , any future would have to look at whether they need help from outside or whether to sign one or both and work with them to fix their obvious problems. There are a lot of problems to be addressed, I hope whoever comes in is capable of doing that

I don't miss that point, I just don't care about it. It's just weak. You go in and you swim if you're good enough and if you're not good enough you at least learn how to tread water to survive. You don't just sink to the bottom waiting for a lifesaver. I hope whoever comes in gives them no excuses. They don't need to be coddled and told they've been hard done by, they need to be told to harden up and take responsibility for the results of the team. Otherwise they can bugger off.

You would be happy with putting two novices into first grade in two of the most important positions rather than have one of them and an experienced player,
You've seen the results of your sink or swim theory, maybe you should be a swimming coach :slight_smile:
Hopefully the New Coach can reverse the problems caused already , otherwise a lot of money has been wasted . Apart from the wasted money that we use to have RF play for Souths.

Why does any of that matter now? They're not rookies now, they've both been in first grade for years. Do you think there is some secret "code" that experienced halves pass down to rookies? These guys missed out on that did they? They've had long enough to figure it out.

Yes I've seen the results of what happened. You're just making a grand assumption that it would all have turned out wonderfully if we'd just played them alongside an experienced half like say Braith Anusta…

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Carroll was a minder for langer for a fair while playing for the Broncos
Beau Scott has had plenty of experience in that job too, among a lot of other backrowers. The point you miss is that most clubs do NOT put two rookie halves with suspect defence in at the same time. That's a club and Coach failure , and a stupid one.
Il say it again, I think they were thrown to the wolves way too early. That can't be changed now but the club has a lot to answer to for doing it , any future would have to look at whether they need help from outside or whether to sign one or both and work with them to fix their obvious problems. There are a lot of problems to be addressed, I hope whoever comes in is capable of doing that

I don't miss that point, I just don't care about it. It's just weak. You go in and you swim if you're good enough and if you're not good enough you at least learn how to tread water to survive. You don't just sink to the bottom waiting for a lifesaver. I hope whoever comes in gives them no excuses. They don't need to be coddled and told they've been hard done by, they need to be told to harden up and take responsibility for the results of the team. Otherwise they can bugger off.

You would be happy with putting two novices into first grade in two of the most important positions rather than have one of them and an experienced player,
You've seen the results of your sink or swim theory, maybe you should be a swimming coach :slight_smile:
Hopefully the New Coach can reverse the problems caused already , otherwise a lot of money has been wasted . Apart from the wasted money that we use to have RF play for Souths.

Why does any of that matter now? They're not rookies now, they've both been in first grade for years. Do you think there is some secret "code" that experienced halves pass down to rookies? These guys missed out on that did they? They've had long enough to figure it out.

Yes I've seen the results of what happened. You're just making a grand assumption that it would all have turned out wonderfully if we'd just played them alongside an experienced half like say Braith Anusta…

A : I didn't say that it would have all turned our wonderfully if we'd played a player like Anastasa. But some 0ne like him , or another experienced Half or 5/8, would certainly helped their development.
2 : there's no secret code, but there is a well known one it's called knowledge , and the right person on the field or one off the field can make a Big difference to young players like halfbacks.

3 : Have you ever played in a team game or coached a team in one ? if you had , you would know that the value of older team members can be worth gold.
Some young guys can get away without direction on the field, some go better with it

If this club is going to keep one or even both of them, They best thing they could is to get some time for our halves with Matt Johns or someone like that.
In case you don't remember, we've paid them a bucket load already , and if either stays, we need to make sure all stops are out to protect that investment and get a return.
Then again we could do what you prefer and just tell them to " BuggerOff"
That should get us a great return