Taylor - BSB Interview...16/6...

[stevetiger]

I judge Taylor fairly. He has been terrible for our club. I want the club to win though and I want him to be successful because that means we are winning games.

I want to see us make the 8 this year and Taylor should at that point keep his job. If we don't make the 8 I want him gone but even if he stays I want us to be successful next year.

What?

So if we don't make the 8 and say end up in 9th,according to Steve,Taylor should be gone ?? Even though he has coached very young players to play to NRL standard and are now winning games by grinding out their games with solid defense and playing smart attacking football….well I can't see how he has been bad for the club,hard decisions had to be made,and he gets bagged out by people because we aren't in the top 8..he has taken us up the ladder to a better position than last year with young rookies and fringe first graders,,not to bad in my opinion...well done JT,you are the coach....

Off course he is better this year TT last year was the worst we have been since the amalgamation and guess who coached us last year?He is a very mediocre coach at best.If we dont get a 50% win rate and make the top 8 it will be another failure for him.

Exactly. Taylor's performance last year was the worst we have had from a coach. It was completely unacceptable. This year he has definitely improved but we are underperforming again. He should be under pressure and I think sacked if we don't make the 8\. If they give him another season if we don't make the 8 this season I think it's a joke but I will still support the club next season.

 

[happy_tiger]

What?

So if we don't make the 8 and say end up in 9th,according to Steve,Taylor should be gone ?? Even though he has coached very young players to play to NRL standard and are now winning games by grinding out their games with solid defense and playing smart attacking football….well I can't see how he has been bad for the club,hard decisions had to be made,and he gets bagged out by people because we aren't in the top 8..he has taken us up the ladder to a better position than last year with young rookies and fringe first graders,,not to bad in my opinion...well done JT,you are the coach....

Off course he is better this year TT last year was the worst we have been since the amalgamation and guess who coached us last year?He is a very mediocre coach at best.If we dont get a 50% win rate and make the top 8 it will be another failure for him.

Exactly. Taylor's performance last year was the worst we have had from a coach. It was completely unacceptable. This year he has definitely improved but we are underperforming again. He should be under pressure and I think sacked if we don't make the 8\. If they give him another season if we don't make the 8 this season I think it's a joke but I will still support the club next season.

Steve so Potter wasn't the answer in your opinion and now Taylor isn't the answer in your opinion

Who realistically is the answer then ??

 

[stevetiger]

So if we don't make the 8 and say end up in 9th,according to Steve,Taylor should be gone ?? Even though he has coached very young players to play to NRL standard and are now winning games by grinding out their games with solid defense and playing smart attacking football….well I can't see how he has been bad for the club,hard decisions had to be made,and he gets bagged out by people because we aren't in the top 8..he has taken us up the ladder to a better position than last year with young rookies and fringe first graders,,not to bad in my opinion...well done JT,you are the coach....

Off course he is better this year TT last year was the worst we have been since the amalgamation and guess who coached us last year?He is a very mediocre coach at best.If we dont get a 50% win rate and make the top 8 it will be another failure for him.

Exactly. Taylor's performance last year was the worst we have had from a coach. It was completely unacceptable. This year he has definitely improved but we are underperforming again. He should be under pressure and I think sacked if we don't make the 8\. If they give him another season if we don't make the 8 this season I think it's a joke but I will still support the club next season.

Steve so Potter wasn't the answer in your opinion and now Taylor isn't the answer in your opinion

Who realistically is the answer then ??

I don't understand this line of questioning. It's nonsensical to me. It's not focussing on the issue. The issue is the coach's ability to get the most out of the team that we have. It's not about winning the comp. Winning the comp is based on getting a squad that can do that, a coach that can get the most out of that team and probably having some luck. When you start going it's not the coach it's the culture or some other palava it's just taking the focus of the issue that can be controlled and onto something that is meaningless and unmanageable.

The coach gets judged on how he performs with the support that he has around him. Potter in my opinion deserved a longer time because based on the players and support that he had around him I think he did a decent job.

Taylor came in speaking dribble and coached us to losses. We lost games that we should have won. That in my opinion is unacceptable. This year has been better but we've still had the whole Farah debacle which continues up until now. I also think this year the team has underperformed although recently we have improved but that improvement is based a lot on actually focussing on attack which to me shows how bad JT's coaching has been.

Taylor shouldn't get anymore leeway. Judge him on results. If we win games we should all be happy. If not get rid of him and get someone else in. I think it's fairly easy to get a better coach than Taylor because he has been pretty ordinary.

 

[happy_tiger]

Off course he is better this year TT last year was the worst we have been since the amalgamation and guess who coached us last year?He is a very mediocre coach at best.If we dont get a 50% win rate and make the top 8 it will be another failure for him.

Exactly. Taylor's performance last year was the worst we have had from a coach. It was completely unacceptable. This year he has definitely improved but we are underperforming again. He should be under pressure and I think sacked if we don't make the 8\. If they give him another season if we don't make the 8 this season I think it's a joke but I will still support the club next season.

Steve so Potter wasn't the answer in your opinion and now Taylor isn't the answer in your opinion

Who realistically is the answer then ??

I don't understand this line of questioning. It's nonsensical to me. It's not focussing on the issue. The issue is the coach's ability to get the most out of the team that we have. It's not about winning the comp. Winning the comp is based on getting a squad that can do that, a coach that can get the most out of that team and probably having some luck. When you start going it's not the coach it's the culture or some other palava it's just taking the focus of the issue that can be controlled and onto something that is meaningless and unmanageable.

The coach gets judged on how he performs with the support that he has around him. Potter in my opinion deserved a longer time because based on the players and support that he had around him I think he did a decent job.

Taylor came in speaking dribble and coached us to losses. We lost games that we should have won. That in my opinion is unacceptable. This year has been better but we've still had the whole Farah debacle which continues up until now. I also think this year the team has underperformed although recently we have improved but that improvement is based a lot on actually focussing on attack which to me shows how bad JT's coaching has been.

Taylor shouldn't get anymore leeway. Judge him on results. If we win games we should all be happy. If not get rid of him and get someone else in. I think it's fairly easy to get a better coach than Taylor because he has been pretty ordinary.

No Steve , you stuck to Potter as well

 

[southerntiger]

Off course he is better this year TT last year was the worst we have been since the amalgamation and guess who coached us last year?He is a very mediocre coach at best.If we dont get a 50% win rate and make the top 8 it will be another failure for him.

Exactly. Taylor's performance last year was the worst we have had from a coach. It was completely unacceptable. This year he has definitely improved but we are underperforming again. He should be under pressure and I think sacked if we don't make the 8\. If they give him another season if we don't make the 8 this season I think it's a joke but I will still support the club next season.

Steve so Potter wasn't the answer in your opinion and now Taylor isn't the answer in your opinion

Who realistically is the answer then ??

The coach gets judged on how he performs with the support that he has around him. Potter in my opinion deserved a longer time because based on the players and support that he had around him I think he did a decent job.

What do you mean? Potter inherited a far better squad than Taylor. 12 months earlier the same squad was favourite to win the comp. Marshall, Fulton, Bodene, Blair - all experienced footballers. A devastating young winger in Koroboite who under Sheens looked every bit the champion he has become.

Taylor inherited one of the most inexperienced halves pairing (of which way too much of our cap was invested) in the game, an ageing disgruntled hooker, no second rowers, basically no outside backs apart from Simona and Nofo (and an ageing winger that Potter and co decided to sign).

The worst we had from a coach? Ridiculous. Last year may not have been great but it was also one of our best defensive years in a long time. Something Taylor promised. Taylor said from the very beginning it would get worse before it gets better.

You can question whether Taylor is the right fit and my view is that we should move past him but stop the rubbish. Of course Taylor should be under pressure but stop the melodramatics.

 

[madunit]

He could stop talking about Farah

JT??

think the media wont stop harassing him bout it

Okay, so just to be clear

If JT is talking about Farah its because the media harrassed him.
If Farah is talking about Taylor its because he is a cancer trying to kill the club.

Thanks.

 

[ricksen]

The Brisbane game is such a furphy. Sure they were understrength, but the 17 they put out on the day probably would have had more NRL caps and cost more than the 17 we put out. Our best player (Teddy) was also out.

+ Woods + Farah.

Well yeah - both teams were weakened by origin selections, that's obvious.
I specifically mentioned Teddy separately as he was out via injury.

 

[happy_tiger]

He could stop talking about Farah

JT??

think the media wont stop harassing him bout it

Okay, so just to be clear

If JT is talking about Farah its because the media harrassed him.
If Farah is talking about Taylor its because he is a cancer trying to kill the club.

Thanks.

MU you are comparing apples and oranges

Farah and the SMH was a one on one interview

Taylor's interview had at least 5 media organizations I could see from the above mentioned interview (not this BSB one )

Unless you are suggesting that Taylor is asking media organizations to ask him about the Farah situation I don't see the relevance

 

[tig_prmz]

If JT is talking about Farah its because the media harrassed him.

yes

If Farah is talking about Taylor its because he is a cancer trying to kill the club.

not directly. Farah has never gone on record to talk about JT. he's had his manager and SMH reporters (danny weidler and co) do the dirty work for him. smart? maybe. people are not stupid and can easily see one sided bias reporting. "i'll never forget", "JT still trying to push farah out" etc. articles are a dime a dozen on SMH last few weeks.

 

[pHyR3]

He could stop talking about Farah

JT??

think the media wont stop harassing him bout it

Okay, so just to be clear

If JT is talking about Farah its because the media harrassed him.
If Farah is talking about Taylor its because he is a cancer trying to kill the club.

Thanks.

i think the media (or certain parts of it) are cancer in general

have alook at last weeks interview with JT. james hooper just repitively harasses JT about the robbie incident, you can see JT getting visibly fed up with the same question asked slightly differently when hes said several times in the interview everythings fine, he wants to create competition for spots and it was generally the best thing for the team (and proved right against souths)

 

[851]

I think the season is too early to be heaping praises. I believe that he lost the locker room at least for 6 months (end of last year and beginning of this season) and now both sides are getting over it. He has about 10 more rounds for consistent performances by the team to show he deserves another year.

I agree, there are those that think JT is doing a good job, and that is their opinion and that is fine.
Sure we have won games, but in my opinion we would already be in the 8 with a decent coach.
Next year we have almost all our good players off contract, and in my opinion we would have a far greater chance of re-signing who we want and getting some decent signings with a different coach.
So in my opinion if we miss the 8 we need to make the call at the end of this season to allow us to move forward, because if we get it wrong next year with our signings and re-signings it will put us back years.

 

[tig_prmz]

I think the season is too early to be heaping praises. I believe that he lost the locker room at least for 6 months (end of last year and beginning of this season) and now both sides are getting over it. He has about 10 more rounds for consistent performances by the team to show he deserves another year.

I agree, there are those that think JT is doing a good job, and that is their opinion and that is fine.
Sure we have won games, but in my opinion we would already be in the 8 with a decent coach.
Next year we have almost all our good players off contract, and in my opinion we would have a far greater chance of re-signing who we want and getting some decent signings with a different coach.
So in my opinion if we miss the 8 we need to make the call at the end of this season to allow us to move forward, because if we get it wrong next year with our signings and re-signings it will put us back years.

signing a new coach will put us back even further.

would any other coach on the market (let's say elliot, cleary, toovey etc) be doing any better than JT with the current squad? im not so sure. JT has focussed primarily on development so far, to paraphrase him earlier last year "winning doesn't matter".. the entire WT board and staff bought into his plan and we have no choice but to keep going with that plan.

 

[851]

I think the season is too early to be heaping praises. I believe that he lost the locker room at least for 6 months (end of last year and beginning of this season) and now both sides are getting over it. He has about 10 more rounds for consistent performances by the team to show he deserves another year.

I agree, there are those that think JT is doing a good job, and that is their opinion and that is fine.
Sure we have won games, but in my opinion we would already be in the 8 with a decent coach.
Next year we have almost all our good players off contract, and in my opinion we would have a far greater chance of re-signing who we want and getting some decent signings with a different coach.
So in my opinion if we miss the 8 we need to make the call at the end of this season to allow us to move forward, because if we get it wrong next year with our signings and re-signings it will put us back years.

signing a new coach will put us back even further.

would any other coach on the market (let's say elliot, cleary, toovey etc) be doing any better than JT with the current squad? im not so sure. JT has focussed primarily on development so far, to paraphrase him earlier last year "winning doesn't matter".. the entire WT board and staff bought into his plan and we have no choice but to keep going with that plan.

In my opinion yes we would be doing better with Cleary or Toovey, and in my opinion players would prefer to play under those 2 rather than JT.
So our chances of recruiting and retaining players would be far easier with either of those 2 incharge.

 

[TrueTiger]

I think the season is too early to be heaping praises. I believe that he lost the locker room at least for 6 months (end of last year and beginning of this season) and now both sides are getting over it. He has about 10 more rounds for consistent performances by the team to show he deserves another year.

I agree, there are those that think JT is doing a good job, and that is their opinion and that is fine.
Sure we have won games, but in my opinion we would already be in the 8 with a decent coach.
Next year we have almost all our good players off contract, and in my opinion we would have a far greater chance of re-signing who we want and getting some decent signings with a different coach.
So in my opinion if we miss the 8 we need to make the call at the end of this season to allow us to move forward, because if we get it wrong next year with our signings and re-signings it will put us back years.

signing a new coach will put us back even further.

would any other coach on the market (let's say elliot, cleary, toovey etc) be doing any better than JT with the current squad? im not so sure. JT has focussed primarily on development so far, to paraphrase him earlier last year "winning doesn't matter".. the entire WT board and staff bought into his plan and we have no choice but to keep going with that plan.

Agree,people forget how difficult and hard work it is to get young,inexperienced players to play to the NRL structures week after week,as well our rookie halves are expected to control the team around the park with very little NRL experience.I know most of the JT haters reckon he can't coach,but he has had a very difficult job to do,he also has had the injuries list far less than previous years thanks to his S&C staff.If he had the entire Cowboys roster to coach,I bet you would see them going just as well as they are now..don't let my meagre opinion on Taylor cloud your spite for him,I prefer to be fair and give him time to do what he had planned from the start and that is to get this team to defend very well to compliment their attacking flair,no easy feat when the team had no idea on how defensive structures work in the NRL …

 

[tig_prmz]

idk we've recruited quite well with ET, naiqama, grant and JAC. if we recruit another coach for 2017, we have to go through the entire process again. quick successes happen with supercoaches (ala hasler at bulldogs, bennet at broncos).. we need to build on continuity.

JT has made a lot of mistakes but players wouldn't be re-signing left and right if he had "lost the changing room".

 

[Chris]

JT has made a lot of mistakes but players wouldn't be re-signing left and right if he had "lost the changing room".

Unless they were told something else? Who knows.

 

[stevetiger]

signing a new coach will put us back even further.

would any other coach on the market (let's say elliot, cleary, toovey etc) be doing any better than JT with the current squad? im not so sure. JT has focussed primarily on development so far, to paraphrase him earlier last year "winning doesn't matter".. the entire WT board and staff bought into his plan and we have no choice but to keep going with that plan.

I think most new coaches would do a better job and it's these types of comments that make me think that. We have plenty of choices. Taylor has been a poorly performing coach. If we improve our coach that is a positive step in the right direction.

 

[Geo]

I have a feeling steve doesn't rate Taylor…

 

[tig_prmz]

forget about what happened earlier, right now round 15 of the NRL- who is the best coach to take us further? unless we magically sign bennet, hasler or bellamy- the answer is JT. let him finish what he started. cleary, elliot or toovey aren't gonna add anything that JT hasn't already.

there is no point in starting over… AGAINN..

 

[stevetiger]

I have a feeling steve doesn't rate Taylor…

Honestly I don't see how anyone rates him. Stupid comments, dumb game plans, the Farah debacle. He is the worst coach I've seen in years at the Tigers.

In stating all of that I think he has lots of upsides. Despite some forumers hacking him for his team selections I think that has been a real positive. Potter might have been even better on this but Taylor hasn't been bad at all. Compared to Sheen's he is great at team selections. I think his ability to target the right players to buy is also really good. He takes a moneyball approach which I think is smart. I also think he has the ability to put together a good game plan and get the most out of team if he can take his ego out of the situation. I feel the same way with the whole Farah debacle. If he could just control his ego and do the right thing for the team this whole drama wouldn't have occurred.

If Taylor just focused on playing positive footy and he had handled the Farah situation better I think we would be a lot better placed this year and last year. He can turn this season around though and that would be great.

Taylor is hard to get a grasp on because I think he is actually a smart guy who could be a really good coach. He hasn't shown that so far though however he has improved a lot this year.

After that massive spiel it's definitely not a personal thing. All I care about is the Tigers winning games. I would love to see Taylor successful and I will judge him fairly.