Taylor calling in to Triple M Rush Hour

[hybrid_tiger]

In the last three weeks we have conceded 60 odd points. Yet apparently we are working hard on our defence? Either we aren't working hard enough, or the work we are doing isn't effective? Or perhaps the better explanation is that we have at least half a team that isn't good enough for first grade, so no amount of work can mask these deficiencies.

Look, I see EXACTLY where Taylor is coming from. When he says we have to change our mentality, he is spot on. We have been a SOFT team for years. We crumble under the first bit of pressure, our defence is beyond ordinary and other teams love playing against us because we are weak.

But JT can't use the fact that we kept that Cowboys team to 8 points as evidence that his plan is working. They hardly threw anything at us, it wasn't a test. The real test is against better sides - like the Roosters, who put nearly 40 points on us. So have we improved? Not by much.

 

[supercoach]

My last word on the Taylor tapes,no one ,not even Taylor can convince me that to coach your team to make five laborious hit ups with no intention of creating any doubt in the oppositions defensive line and than finishing it off with a mid field bomb is good for the long term development of a team.

Iam sorry but from where I sit Taylor's tactics are just a big sign of a no confidence vote in his players ability to play football and he may be right, but they will not get any better playing Taylorball.

The traing paddock is the place to bore the crap out of people, not the paddock on game day where punters have paid real money to be entertained.

Anyway that is my last rant on the Taylor tapes as it has all been said many times

 

[MAFIA]

Agreed with everything JT said its a tough ride arm but we will at least no how to tackle

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[magpiecol]

I disagree completely. I think it showed Taylor for what he is; stubborn and blinkered.

How the hell is HE going to teach this group to "toughen up" , …. a phrase he used repeatedly in that interview?
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HE needs to "toughen up" and accept that criticism goes with the territory of being an NRL coach where 9000 people pay to be members and sponsors tip in thousands of $$.

What in the world prompted him to think that calling into Triple M would do anything to build confidence of members and fans in coaching this team?

Could you imagine Bennett or Robinson or Toovey or Maguire doing that......????

I am m ore concerned than ever now. To me, it showed a fundamental flaw in his character to even think about doing that.

If he didn't have WT executive approval to do request that interview, he needs to be stood down...IMMEDIATELY!

Please remember to take your medication before posting.

 

[weststigers]

I think firstly, we all need to calm down. Losing games and having your supporters turn on you will only amplify the situation.

Let's take a look at the facts:

1\. Taylor has only had the side for 6-7 months.
2\. He hasn't had the chance to recruit just yet
3\. He has cleared the decks so he can recruit for 2016 and beyond.
4\. Defence has been better, but being a very young side, we've had no consistency
5\. Taylor is sticking with the plan to encourage consistency in defence
6\. Injuries have been minimal - by luck or by design I don't know, but that's a positive.
7\. We lost 2 games we should have won and possibly 3 including the Cows game. Could very easily be on 14 points.

To me, these are positives and show we are not far off.

A bit of experience, some good recruiting for the bench and some luck with the refs and we are going to be competitive.

6 months isn't enough to turn the team around. Moses and Brooks need this year for experience and an off-season to build their bodies to cope with the defensive traffic they get.

One thing I am weary of is the players getting bored with all out defence. This could be counterproductive.

As Ink said, I'd like to see us use an attacking defence where we smash packs and force errors like we did to the Rabbitohs last year.

No structure is perfect, otherwise all teams would be using it and all games would be 0-0, but surely this is better than the up and in defence we had last year?

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[magpiecol]

This is what i talked about in pre season as my big concern with Taylor.

Even at members days he was shaking his head at a couple of the members that wanted to question him.

ringing up a radio station to defend himself comes across as thin skinned and a man under pressure. I have not heard the interview however this is the sort of character trait I worry about. He can be an angry ant and rather then bunkering down and working on getting things right he is ringing up radio stations to argue his point.

He might have spoken brilliantly but for me i don't like it.

Eddie, some people have only heard the Taylor segment, which depends on your stance made it sound like Taylor rang up to defend himself.

Anyone who was actually listening live would have heard the preceeding conversation which was Andrew Johns, Sterlo, and another who slips my mind, talking about our offensive disfunction on the weekend. Saying that it was all the halves fault basically, Johns thinly defended our boys giving Brooks a pass mark this season, and admitted Moses is struggling with the structure… The other muppet with Johns and Sterlo was trying to gut the boys and instigate a sh!tbagging.

Taylor basically rang up to stand up for them, lumping the attacking shortfall on himself, the structure and direction he is coaching, though defending why he is chosing to do so. It wasnt angry ant, he was jumping in the line of fire not hanging Brooks and Moses out to dry.

Context...

I don't really care what he said like I said.

I think he has more things to worry about then ringing up radio programs. Which other coach in the NRL would do that?

It just shows he is feeling the heat i reckon.

Wow! You never heard what he said but you disagee with it anyway? Maybe he said that Eddie knew what he was talking about. What then??

 

[Tigersmurf]

I think firstly, we all need to calm down. Losing games and having your supporters turn on you will only amplify the situation.

Let's take a look at the facts:

1\. Taylor has only had the side for 6-7 months.
2\. He hasn't had the chance to recruit just yet
3\. He has cleared the decks so he can recruit for 2016 and beyond.
4\. Defence has been better, but being a very young side, we've had no consistency
5\. Taylor is sticking with the plan to encourage consistency in defence
6\. Injuries have been minimal - by luck or by design I don't know, but that's a positive.
7\. We lost 2 games we should have won and possibly 3 including the Cows game. Could very easily be on 14 points.

To me, these are positives and show we are not far off.

A bit of experience, some good recruiting for the bench and some luck with the refs and we are going to be competitive.

6 months isn't enough to turn the team around. Moses and Brooks need this year for experience and an off-season to build their bodies to cope with the defensive traffic they get.

One thing I am weary of is the players getting bored with all out defence. This could be counterproductive.

As Ink said, I'd like to see us use an attacking defence where we smash packs and force errors like we did to the Rabbitohs last year.

No structure is perfect, otherwise all teams would be using it and all games would be 0-0, but surely this is better than the up and in defence we had last year?

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Great post - love it!! It illustrates where we are currently at perfectly. Well said.

 

[Knuckles]

I have no problem with JT ringing the radio programme and joining in the conversation. I am fully supportive of what he is doing so far at the club ….... its not dissimiliar to what Mary has done at St.George. Only problem for the fans in the meantime is the results won't come straight away ...... and may not come for another 12 months. But something had to change for the long term good of the club.

 

[Guest]

I have no problem with JT ringing the radio programme and joining in the conversation. I am fully supportive of what he is doing so far at the club ….... its not dissimiliar to what Mary has done at St.George. Only problem for the fans in the meantime is the results won't come straight away ...... and may not come for another 12 months. But something had to change for the long term good of the club.

Fair post Knuckles, fair post.

 

[cochise]

Really?

Who picked most of the 25man squad and reserve grade squads? It wasn't Taylor, he has no money to do so as its all tied up in the players we are watching week in week out.

It will be the same case for next year. He has inherited a lot of crap from previous poor miss management anyone can see that. The board has a clear policy and that's centered around juniors which he needs to support otherwise will be looking for a new job.

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Ok MIghty ill bite.

Im not saying he assembled the squad, do i really have to clarify that. Seems i do.

Im saying he has made decisions that has contributed to the lack of experience and it is his choice to have both the young halves in first grade at the same time.

You and i didnt make those decisions, the coach did.

He could have taken a different road and placed a handful of experience players in and around the young guys. A lot of coaches would have.

No he chose to run with things how they are.

Therefor he cant turn around and use that as an excuse.

You have heard of a thing called the salary cap. The salary cap at the Wests Tigers has been messed up completely, those decisions had to be made to rectify the situation and allow us to purchase players moving forward.

 

[Knuckles]

I have no problem with JT ringing the radio programme and joining in the conversation. I am fully supportive of what he is doing so far at the club ….... its not dissimiliar to what Mary has done at St.George. Only problem for the fans in the meantime is the results won't come straight away ...... and may not come for another 12 months. But something had to change for the long term good of the club.

Fair post Knuckles, fair post.

lol
We finally agree on something ….... good to see :wink:

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Just listened to the interview and to a degree I'm softening my anger. Not totally mind you, as I think that we should be able to do more than bomb on the 6th every time. But he really does seem to be totally focused on improvement and pretty passionate about getting the job done. If he can tighten everything up and allow the boys to play what they see, I'm for it. Right now, it seems that they're not allowed to play. That's what drags me down. What annoys me as much, is people that post here that we're just angry because we've lost a few games. No, it goes much deeper. I would prefer the post game presser to be "We played crap today" not "we're improving" when clearly we are not. In that radio interview he said those few games we've just come through were crap. Yeah - that's what we're saying. FFS.

 

[Spartan117]

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sport/nrl/news/2015/5/jason-taylor-discusses-tigers-attacking-woes/

Listen here…make up your own minds...

Pro-active for mine..

I have come in a little late it seems on this one. I am encouraged that JT is a man that doesnt panic and has a clear objective in mind.

We all know that 2005 (10 years) was an anomaly and what a magnificent anomaly it was, Almost the happiest day of my life (and I am married with 5 kids).

His statement that is correct that the majority of successful / Premiership teams are solid in Defense as well as potent in attack.

QUOTE “I know that was ugly on the weekend,” Taylor said.
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“I said after the game it was crap, our attack was crap, we’re better than that.
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“But we defended in the fashion that we need to defend and the challenge for us now is to do that again and then do that again and then do it again.
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“We started the season well in that regard but then we dropped off. We’ve got to toughen up.
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“You can’t go anywhere near winning competitions unless you can defend and right now we can’t defend. So that’s where the energy’s going to remain to go.
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“That means we’ve got to put more energy in defence and a little but less in attack — I’m not saying we don’t want to score tries — but we’ve got to learn to do this, we’ve got to toughen up and that’s the path.”
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-coach-jason-taylor-rings-radio-station-to-defend-club-after-criticism/story-fni3fbgz-1227368874389

The Zero Sore line against is disappointing for mine for mine but if it means less lean years then I will put up with it.

Next year I will be honest in saying my expectation will be higher and tolerance reduced,

 

[everett]

JT was so angry with their performance on Saturday that the top 25 players were called to Maroubra on Sunday for a special training session.

 

[Newtown]

JT was so angry with their performance on Saturday that the top 25 players were called to Maroubra on Sunday for a special training session.

Not much point JT calling that special training session if it did not contain a heavy emphasis on attacking play. My very serious concern is that JT doesn't realise that.

 

[LaT]

Listened to the call and Taylor was controlled and measured, it wasn't a blow up or panic, straight away he opened himself to questions about how the team was going rather than rant and rave about how everyone was wrong, stark contrast to how some current NRL coaches conduct themselves in the media.

I've been frustrated as well, but hearing Taylor talk about why we are playing like this and what we are trying to achieve helps put things in perspective.

 

[kiwitiger]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-coach-jason-taylor-rings-radio-station-to-defend-club-after-criticism/story-fni3fbgz-1227368874389

YOU can’t deny Jason Taylor’s passion.

After hearing his club cop it on the radio, the Wests Tigers coach rang in to launch an impassioned defence of his team and its playing style.

“I was driving along and I caught the end of it and I know there’s a lot of disappointed Tigers fans out there at the moment so I thought I’d come on and … answer any questions that you want to know where we’re at with regards to the weekend’s performance and where we’re at as a team right now,” Taylor told Triple M’s The Rush Hour, featuring rugby league legends and commentators Peter Sterling and Andrew Johns.

The Tigers have come under fire in the wake of Saturday’s dour 8-0 loss to a depleted North Queensland Cowboys outfit at Campbelltown Stadium.

Taylor pulled no punches when it came to talking about his side’s poor attack, but was adamant the Tigers had more pressing problems than an inability to find the tryline.

He said the Tigers coaching staff were desperate to improve the club’s defence after a poor recent run which included a 22-12 loss to the Knights and 36-4 flogging by the Roosters.

“We’re disappointed with our attack in that game. It was pretty ordinary and we need to work on that,” Taylor said.

“It sounded really weird for people after that game but we have to get our defence improved and we have to toughen up as a team and we’ve set about changing that.

“Last year we had 110 tries scored against us, which was the worst in the competition, and the year before that we had 120 tries scored against us. What we need to do is we need to change the culture in regards to toughening up the team and being a better defensive team.”

After fielding more questions from Sterling and Johns, Taylor was adamant his club was headed in the right direction.

“I know that was ugly on the weekend,” Taylor said.

“I said after the game it was crap, our attack was crap, we’re better than that.

“But we defended in the fashion that we need to defend and the challenge for us now is to do that again and then do that again and then do it again.

“We started the season well in that regard but then we dropped off. We’ve got to toughen up.

“You can’t go anywhere near winning competitions unless you can defend and right now we can’t defend. So that’s where the energy’s going to remain to go.

**“That means we’ve got to put more energy in defence and a little but less in attack — I’m not saying we don’t want to score tries — but we’ve got to learn to do this, we’ve got to toughen up and that’s the path.”**

The part in bold irks me so much. You can't sacrifice one aspect to fix another. Both need to be done at the same time, otherwise realistically there will be no improvement whatsoever

I wonder how the board would feel about this? It's not exactly going to put bums on seats is it?
If you and the kids were thinking shall we go or not, it would lead to you deciding no more than yes. Not great for a poor club in need of cash.
Ironically I think JT is right, however he maybe to honest in this case. I expect poor crowds after this admission, at least in the short term over the origin period

 

[LaT]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-coach-jason-taylor-rings-radio-station-to-defend-club-after-criticism/story-fni3fbgz-1227368874389

YOU can’t deny Jason Taylor’s passion.

After hearing his club cop it on the radio, the Wests Tigers coach rang in to launch an impassioned defence of his team and its playing style.

“I was driving along and I caught the end of it and I know there’s a lot of disappointed Tigers fans out there at the moment so I thought I’d come on and … answer any questions that you want to know where we’re at with regards to the weekend’s performance and where we’re at as a team right now,” Taylor told Triple M’s The Rush Hour, featuring rugby league legends and commentators Peter Sterling and Andrew Johns.

The Tigers have come under fire in the wake of Saturday’s dour 8-0 loss to a depleted North Queensland Cowboys outfit at Campbelltown Stadium.

Taylor pulled no punches when it came to talking about his side’s poor attack, but was adamant the Tigers had more pressing problems than an inability to find the tryline.

He said the Tigers coaching staff were desperate to improve the club’s defence after a poor recent run which included a 22-12 loss to the Knights and 36-4 flogging by the Roosters.

“We’re disappointed with our attack in that game. It was pretty ordinary and we need to work on that,” Taylor said.

“It sounded really weird for people after that game but we have to get our defence improved and we have to toughen up as a team and we’ve set about changing that.

“Last year we had 110 tries scored against us, which was the worst in the competition, and the year before that we had 120 tries scored against us. What we need to do is we need to change the culture in regards to toughening up the team and being a better defensive team.”

After fielding more questions from Sterling and Johns, Taylor was adamant his club was headed in the right direction.

“I know that was ugly on the weekend,” Taylor said.

“I said after the game it was crap, our attack was crap, we’re better than that.

“But we defended in the fashion that we need to defend and the challenge for us now is to do that again and then do that again and then do it again.

“We started the season well in that regard but then we dropped off. We’ve got to toughen up.

“You can’t go anywhere near winning competitions unless you can defend and right now we can’t defend. So that’s where the energy’s going to remain to go.

**“That means we’ve got to put more energy in defence and a little but less in attack — I’m not saying we don’t want to score tries — but we’ve got to learn to do this, we’ve got to toughen up and that’s the path.”**

The part in bold irks me so much. You can't sacrifice one aspect to fix another. Both need to be done at the same time, otherwise realistically there will be no improvement whatsoever

I wonder how the board would feel about this? It's not exactly going to put bums on seats is it?
If you and the kids were thinking shall we go or not, it would lead to you deciding no more than yes. Not great for a poor club in need of cash.
Ironically I think JT is right, however he maybe to honest in this case. I expect poor crowds after this admission, at least in the short term over the origin period

From everything I've read, Taylor got the top job by his brutal honesty about where the club was and how to fix it. So the board shouldn't be surprised to see or hear any of this.

 

[TrueTiger]

I did listen to JT on the radio and I have also calmed my anger….the reasons he gave were if you take a step back and listen with a broader mind,made sense and he spoke candidly and open....the one big thing that I will applaud him on,is he is solely responsible for what is happening...no ifs or buts....to me his honesty is what has made me a little less angry and disappointed,for us to become a good solid club overall,this hard road is the one we must take...short term pain for long term glory....
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Don't worry old TT is still on shaky legs,but they are getting more stable as this team progresses in the right direction...I did say in another thread...mid 2016 will be judgement day......

 

[Yossarian]

Well there appears to be two camps:the 'Taylor has a long term plan that involves some short term pain but hopefully has long term benefits and the 'the guy is a nutter who can't coach' factions. Someone is bound to be right in the long run!