Taylor not to blame for Tigers woes.....

[happy_tiger]

For some reason after half time last week the team look disinterested. The first set Penrith had they almost made it to our 30 metre line and ultimately scored.
Whatever was said by the coach at half time either wasnt listened to or didn't go down well with the players. Lets hope if there was an issue, they got it sorted out during the week.

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Maybe the kids got rattled by the skirmish just before half time , the Raiders game Brooks get smashed by Soliola and we go to pieces just after that

Young inexperienced kids make errors unfortunately , struggle mentally and the perfect example of this is NYC games

I will say it again , Taylor can't teach 50 NRL games experience into these kids

No one can , that's why clubs rarely do this This is what he started with at the start of 2015 and we can't do a great deal about it

Penrith did something similar many years ago , but their was also due to a long injury list

 

[Swordy]

Taylor just admitted on 2UE that if he had his time again, he probably would have put Lawrence to the centres much earlier against the Panthers. Although he did say the result might not have been to different and wouldnt go into why.

He did give it to Pat Richards in a restrained way and basically said he should have supported Lovett more. Richards put his hand up to this apparently.

I think it was a good interview. Not so restrained as he would normally be, but didnt cut loose like he could have.

I still havent lost faith. You cant belt Souths one week and then play garbage the next two and not concede the coach can get them up. I think its more the consistency from the young guys thats giving us such a wide range of performances.

At least the coach has admitted his error on that call with Lawrence and not blaming others 100%.

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[Chevy]

People talk about our cattle, i would just like to see some thoroughbreds where the cattle have been grazing out wide.

 

[cqtiger]

TT we have just put our eggs in the wrong basket. We had high hopes for Brooks and Moses but we now know that they will be just average players.

I will get jumped on for saying that but I base it on the fact that Tedesco puts in top performances most weeks. Brooks and Moses look out of their depth, Teddy doesn't.

OK I'll admit that our halves will show the odd glimpse of hope but it will only ever be in small doses. I hope that I am wrong but I don't see enough in them to give me confidence long term.

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Do you know, interestingly, Brooks is 2nd in the whole comp for try assists, and 5th for line break assists ?

He's 10th for kick metres, but Moses is 11th, meaning they share kicking duties, because no club has 2 players in the Top 10 .

He is 17th in the comp for errors, 11th for missed tackles (he only has 4 more than Benji) and not in Top 20 for ineffective tackles.

I know stats aren't everything, but these figures say Brooks isn't really average. He's not great, he's not carving up, but he is statistically above average in the metrics that count for halves.

I sometimes wonder about expectations vs reality. In other words, is Brooks a good footballer for a 20 year old in his second full year, rather than is he good for all halfbacks ever?

Your right, stats aren't everything. Just like completion rates of 30 out of 30\. Not much good to you if you don't take risks and you you don't score. Like I said - I hope I'm wrong

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[greatodensraven]

I sometimes wonder about expectations vs reality. In other words, is Brooks a good footballer for a 20 year old in his second full year, rather than is he good for all halfbacks ever?

Exactly. Furthermore what will he be like at age 22/23 after gaining this early experience.

In comparison Teddy is what 22 now & in his 3rd year of first grade? Sure he's had some injury woes in that time but look at the improvement in him since early 2013.

 

[Cosimo_Zaretti]

Ever watched the movie Semi Pro with Will Farrell?

Maybe that's what Taylor should do with the players, make them run the same play over and over again to they puke! It worked for them, and they had no talent but then again it was a movie.

Couldn't make us any worse then we have been lately

Haven't seen the movie, but I reckon Taylor's run the 1 out for 5 then bomb play once or twice in training. Repetition of the same play doesn't seem to be the problem here.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Does the game plan suit our strengths and weaknesses?

If so, what are the consequences to those who failed to execute the game plan?

Don't know about the consequences,but it couldn't be that hard to follow instructions,is the gameplan that hard really?..JT says it a simple structure to adhere to….couldn't be to simple if they can't get it through their heads...

There is simply no other consequences as there is simply no other players that are yet up to it .

Nathan Milone is playing cause his in the Top 25 Contracted players in our Club if you pick outside these Top 25 players well your paying big dollars on those players playing and how our Salary Cap situation is going….....it will never happen.

So the Morale of the story is players can keep playing half hearted cause in reality they will keep there spots in 1st Grade as demonstrated by our side to take on the Eels.

That's an interesting point.

Makes you wonder what activation clauses there are in the NSW Cup & NYC for playing NRL. It's obvious we aren't over the cap, so it must be upgrade concerns that create problems in the future.

Further to that, Tim Moltzen. You would have to think he would be costing us in excess of $250k. That would be a lot higher than the likes of Milone & Hoeter. If we are looking to save money, why hasn't he been used?

 

[cochise]

Does the game plan suit our strengths and weaknesses?

If so, what are the consequences to those who failed to execute the game plan?

Don't know about the consequences,but it couldn't be that hard to follow instructions,is the gameplan that hard really?..JT says it a simple structure to adhere to….couldn't be to simple if they can't get it through their heads...

There is simply no other consequences as there is simply no other players that are yet up to it .

Nathan Milone is playing cause his in the Top 25 Contracted players in our Club if you pick outside these Top 25 players well your paying big dollars on those players playing and how our Salary Cap situation is going….....it will never happen.

So the Morale of the story is players can keep playing half hearted cause in reality they will keep there spots in 1st Grade as demonstrated by our side to take on the Eels.

That's an interesting point.

Makes you wonder what activation clauses there are in the NSW Cup & NYC for playing NRL. It's obvious we aren't over the cap, so it must be upgrade concerns that create problems in the future.

Further to that, Tim Moltzen. You would have to think he would be costing us in excess of $250k. That would be a lot higher than the likes of Milone & Hoeter. If we are looking to save money, why hasn't he been used?

Why is it obvious we are not over the cap? We have massive salary cap issues that are going to take at least another 12 months to fix.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Taylor just admitted on 2UE that if he had his time again, he probably would have put Lawrence to the centres much earlier against the Panthers. Although he did say the result might not have been to different and wouldnt go into why.

He did give it to Pat Richards in a restrained way and basically said he should have supported Lovett more. Richards put his hand up to this apparently.

I think it was a good interview. Not so restrained as he would normally be, but didnt cut loose like he could have.

I still havent lost faith. You cant belt Souths one week and then play garbage the next two and not concede the coach can get them up. I think its more the consistency from the young guys thats giving us such a wide range of performances.

At least the coach has admitted his error on that call with Lawrence and not blaming others 100%.

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I still can't understand why some think that beating Souths was a big deal. The Souths team this year particularly, in that game are nowhere like the team of last year and also were without Stewart.
Without Sam Burgess they have dropped back to the field, even Walker isn't anything like he was last year. Their form last night was almost as bad as ours have been

Apart from that, as has been said before, we are specialists at having one or two performances that raises hopes , then dropping back to the depths for the next month or so. All of our Coaches have been able to do that. None except Sheens, has been able to get consistency into this club, and he couldn't do that on a year to year basis.
The next 6 weeks should unfortunately show our true situation and In reality, could be ugly , I just hope we can somehow avoid the Spoon, but we'd have to be favourites.

 

[ryanda01]

Not yet. Knights @ 2.12 and Tigers @ 3.09\. A loss against Parra will almost certainly change those around. And agree with GCT re: South win. Tipsters all over the joint were backing them for wins the next week and week after based on one games form. Ohh how silly.

 

[Tigermama]

TT we have just put our eggs in the wrong basket. We had high hopes for Brooks and Moses but we now know that they will be just average players.

I will get jumped on for saying that but I base it on the fact that Tedesco puts in top performances most weeks. Brooks and Moses look out of their depth, Teddy doesn't.

OK I'll admit that our halves will show the odd glimpse of hope but it will only ever be in small doses. I hope that I am wrong but I don't see enough in them to give me confidence long term.

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I agree CQ. Our halves have been very disappointing. Even when our forwards are dominant, it's our halves that are letting us down. I'm afraid you either have it or you don't. Hope they improve.
By the way, how good is 21 year old Kane Elgey's going for the Titans at the moment?

 

[barra]

I sometimes wonder about expectations vs reality. In other words, is Brooks a good footballer for a 20 year old in his second full year, rather than is he good for all halfbacks ever?

Exactly. Furthermore what will he be like at age 22/23 after gaining this early experience.

In comparison Teddy is what 22 now & in his 3rd year of first grade? Sure he's had some injury woes in that time but look at the improvement in him since early 2013.

I agree, I still think Brooks will be worth being patient with. I just wish we'd kept Austin to play #6 with him, having two small young halves is not good. I don't like the way they tend to continue with a play when it clearly is not on, they certainly seem to lack control and vision at times.

But it is hard to tell whether they are just doing what they are told or not good enough. Or both.

Also Jirskyr I believe the stats you posted do say something to support Brooks. And they also say something about our kicking game - it should be so much better!

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

If seasons only ran for one game, we'd be perpetual Premiers.
It's a wonder all our supporters don't have blood pressure problems
Up one day, down the next 10.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

 

[Russell]

TT we have just put our eggs in the wrong basket. We had high hopes for Brooks and Moses but we now know that they will be just average players.

I will get jumped on for saying that but I base it on the fact that Tedesco puts in top performances most weeks. Brooks and Moses look out of their depth, Teddy doesn't.

OK I'll admit that our halves will show the odd glimpse of hope but it will only ever be in small doses. I hope that I am wrong but I don't see enough in them to give me confidence long term.

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I agree CQ. Our halves have been very disappointing. Even when our forwards are dominant, it's our halves that are letting us down. I'm afraid you either have it or you don't. Hope they improve.
By the way, how good is 21 year old Kane Elgey's going for the Titans at the moment?

Disagree that our halves are letting us down.
It is the forwards letting us down imo.

The last time the forwards stood up for (not the whole 80min. but maybe 65 min) was against Souffs and the halves played really well. Since then the forwards have been spasmodic at best and so the halves have no time and no space to do anything. However Moses still stood up and played well against Manly.

We have problems - no denying that. It is someones fault - It is most definitely not the halves.

No one is saying they are doing everything right, they are learning but gee wiz it makes it almost impossible when your forwards are not going forward and you have no one with a bit of speed or experience outside you to capitalise on what you are trying to do (so you don't do it).

I think they have it - but you need to give them the right platform.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

That's an interesting point.

Makes you wonder what activation clauses there are in the NSW Cup & NYC for playing NRL. It's obvious we aren't over the cap, so it must be upgrade concerns that create problems in the future.

Further to that, Tim Moltzen. You would have to think he would be costing us in excess of $250k. That would be a lot higher than the likes of Milone & Hoeter. If we are looking to save money, why hasn't he been used?

Why is it obvious we are not over the cap? We have massive salary cap issues that are going to take at least another 12 months to fix.

Heard that 12 months ago, and the 12 months before that too… Its fast becoming the poorest excuse in our history.

I don't buy it!

 

[Geo]

That's an interesting point.

Makes you wonder what activation clauses there are in the NSW Cup & NYC for playing NRL. It's obvious we aren't over the cap, so it must be upgrade concerns that create problems in the future.

Further to that, T**im Moltzen**. You would have to think he would be costing us in excess of $250k. That would be a lot higher than the likes of Milone & Hoeter. If we are looking to save money, **why hasn't he been used?**

:laughing: Good one,,,,perhaps the fact he hasn't been able to string 3 games together in SC for 3 years might have something to do with it…

 

[Tigermama]

TT we have just put our eggs in the wrong basket. We had high hopes for Brooks and Moses but we now know that they will be just average players.

I will get jumped on for saying that but I base it on the fact that Tedesco puts in top performances most weeks. Brooks and Moses look out of their depth, Teddy doesn't.

OK I'll admit that our halves will show the odd glimpse of hope but it will only ever be in small doses. I hope that I am wrong but I don't see enough in them to give me confidence long term.

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I agree CQ. Our halves have been very disappointing. Even when our forwards are dominant, it's our halves that are letting us down. I'm afraid you either have it or you don't. Hope they improve.
By the way, how good is 21 year old Kane Elgey's going for the Titans at the moment?

Disagree that our halves are letting us down.
It is the forwards letting us down imo.

The last time the forwards stood up for (not the whole 80min. but maybe 65 min) was against Souffs and the halves played really well. Since then the forwards have been spasmodic at best and so the halves have no time and no space to do anything. However Moses still stood up and played well against Manly.

We have problems - no denying that. It is someones fault - It is most definitely not the halves.

No one is saying they are doing everything right, they are learning but gee wiz it makes it almost impossible when your forwards are not going forward and you have no one with a bit of speed or experience outside you to capitalise on what you are trying to do (so you don't do it).

I think they have it - but you need to give them the right platform.
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Only time will tell, if they have it or not.
So far they're seem to be struggling.
Kicking game is very poor. Need to improve big time.
Their decision making is questionable.
They seem to be at a loss of what to do when the pressure is on, or off.
They need to work hard to improve all aspects of their game.
Will wait and see how they pan out.

 

[Tigermama]

Does the game plan suit our strengths and weaknesses?

If so, what are the consequences to those who failed to execute the game plan?

Don't know about the consequences,but it couldn't be that hard to follow instructions,is the gameplan that hard really?..JT says it a simple structure to adhere to….couldn't be to simple if they can't get it through their heads...

There is simply no other consequences as there is simply no other players that are yet up to it .

Nathan Milone is playing cause his in the Top 25 Contracted players in our Club if you pick outside these Top 25 players well your paying big dollars on those players playing and how our Salary Cap situation is going….....it will never happen.

So the Morale of the story is players can keep playing half hearted cause in reality they will keep there spots in 1st Grade as demonstrated by our side to take on the Eels.

That's an interesting point.

Makes you wonder what activation clauses there are in the NSW Cup & NYC for playing NRL. It's obvious we aren't over the cap, so it must be upgrade concerns that create problems in the future.

Further to that, Tim Moltzen. You would have to think he would be costing us in excess of $250k. That would be a lot higher than the likes of Milone & Hoeter. If we are looking to save money, why hasn't he been used?

You can't be serious about Moltzen Watto :laughing:

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I'm not a fan, but the theory of using Top 25 to save money makes it interesting why he hasn't been considered.

Hopefully he will be back in Wyong soon, but does anyone know when his contract is up?