Taylor's tactics stifling young tigers

[Tigerspirit]

So we are whinging about Taylor holding back our young guns…..but when another player at another club has the kahunas to mention it....its classless and grubby

You cant have your cake and eat it too....I find it refreshing a player speaking his mind instead of the personalityless, robotic, monosyllabic cliched responses ala DCE...he knows hes on the outer and isnt afraid to speak his mind....Im sure brooks moses and teddy are feeling as he is.....wonder if Teddy is looking at the Raiders any differently now?

How long will these three...and Cherry eventually....put up with this ho hum footy>?
The offers will come......

Well said…...

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[Chevy]

If defence is JT only concern why does he even bother picking Moses and Brooks who are singled out by opposition attacks and struggle in this area.

 

[Tigermama]

I would like to put forward the following points.1.does this system we are playing under JT guarantee future success?answer. of course not.2.even if success were to follow after how many seasons may it occur.answer.there is no given time.3.if we have to endure another 2 years of this how many of us will still care?

In answer to your third question tp, I think my care factor has already dropped significantly, probably to the point of where it was for me in the first couple of years of the merger!

Maybe it's just a reflection of where I'm at in my life right now or maybe it's a genuine response to the sorry state of my team/club, but I am astounded at how calm I am watching a live game now - where once I was so vocal, jumping up and down at every attacking raid, my heart racing at a rate of knots, fist pumping and sweaty. I would often retreat to another room during a close match because I just couldn't handle watching the last 5 minutes lol.

Now I just sit and watch it with a feeling of resignation - there is no sweat forming, my heart doesn't race at all (which might be a good thing at my age), I only walk out of the lounge room now because of disinterest, not over-excitement and I am generally pretty quiet throughout. I did display a slight fist pump the other night when our pack started to roll forward and we scored some tries, in that all too brief 15 minutes of play, but deep down in my heart I knew it would be all for nothing and we'd end up losing anyway, so I was extremely un-emotional when Don crossed so easily for that final try.

Maybe the changes in my demeanour are good for me, who knows. I mean, fancy getting all worked up, excited and stressed out over a damn football team anyway - there are way more important things in life to focus on….but I do miss them :frowning:

I miss the excitement too Flip. :frowning:

 

[Tigerspirit]

I would like to put forward the following points.1.does this system we are playing under JT guarantee future success?answer. of course not.2.even if success were to follow after how many seasons may it occur.answer.there is no given time.3.if we have to endure another 2 years of this how many of us will still care?

In answer to your third question tp, I think my care factor has already dropped significantly, probably to the point of where it was for me in the first couple of years of the merger!

Maybe it's just a reflection of where I'm at in my life right now or maybe it's a genuine response to the sorry state of my team/club, but I am astounded at how calm I am watching a live game now - where once I was so vocal, jumping up and down at every attacking raid, my heart racing at a rate of knots, fist pumping and sweaty. I would often retreat to another room during a close match because I just couldn't handle watching the last 5 minutes lol.

Now I just sit and watch it with a feeling of resignation - there is no sweat forming, my heart doesn't race at all (which might be a good thing at my age), I only walk out of the lounge room now because of disinterest, not over-excitement and I am generally pretty quiet throughout. I did display a slight fist pump the other night when our pack started to roll forward and we scored some tries, in that all too brief 15 minutes of play, but deep down in my heart I knew it would be all for nothing and we'd end up losing anyway, so I was extremely un-emotional when Don crossed so easily for that final try.

Maybe the changes in my demeanour are good for me, who knows. I mean, fancy getting all worked up, excited and stressed out over a damn football team anyway - there are way more important things in life to focus on….but I do miss them :frowning:

I miss the excitement too Flip. :frowning:

Nicely said, Tigermama..
I totally understand what your saying and it definately is not an age thing.
The club has made to many errors both on and off the field making to many quick decisions without careful thought.
The problem I fear is alot deeper.

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[Tigermama]

I would like to put forward the following points.1.does this system we are playing under JT guarantee future success?answer. of course not.2.even if success were to follow after how many seasons may it occur.answer.there is no given time.3.if we have to endure another 2 years of this how many of us will still care?

In answer to your third question tp, I think my care factor has already dropped significantly, probably to the point of where it was for me in the first couple of years of the merger!

Maybe it's just a reflection of where I'm at in my life right now or maybe it's a genuine response to the sorry state of my team/club, but I am astounded at how calm I am watching a live game now - where once I was so vocal, jumping up and down at every attacking raid, my heart racing at a rate of knots, fist pumping and sweaty. I would often retreat to another room during a close match because I just couldn't handle watching the last 5 minutes lol.

Now I just sit and watch it with a feeling of resignation - there is no sweat forming, my heart doesn't race at all (which might be a good thing at my age), I only walk out of the lounge room now because of disinterest, not over-excitement and I am generally pretty quiet throughout. I did display a slight fist pump the other night when our pack started to roll forward and we scored some tries, in that all too brief 15 minutes of play, but deep down in my heart I knew it would be all for nothing and we'd end up losing anyway, so I was extremely un-emotional when Don crossed so easily for that final try.

Maybe the changes in my demeanour are good for me, who knows. I mean, fancy getting all worked up, excited and stressed out over a damn football team anyway - there are way more important things in life to focus on….but I do miss them :frowning:

I find this really interesting Flip, sad but interesting.

I could have written this myself, me and my partner are the same as you, as i see are a few others that have commented here.

Its almost identical to my feelings watching our games now, i went and folded some washing a couple of weeks back. Even at their worst last year i wasnt feeling like we do now.

If a percentage of us on here are like this i really hate to think how many others who dont use the forum are just going through the motions or simply just giving up and moving away from the Wests Tigers and rugby league.

Its a very sad reality.

Lol TITG, Folding washing is boring too.. :laughing:

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

So we are whinging about Taylor holding back our young guns…..but when another player at another club has the kahunas to mention it....its classless and grubby

You cant have your cake and eat it too....I find it refreshing a player speaking his mind instead of the personalityless, robotic, monosyllabic cliched responses ala DCE...he knows hes on the outer and isnt afraid to speak his mind....Im sure brooks moses and teddy are feeling as he is.....wonder if Teddy is looking at the Raiders any differently now?

How long will these three...and Cherry eventually....put up with this ho hum footy>?
The offers will come......

Its classless because the is a huge difference between people on the forum saying it and a halfback saying it to the media about his coach.

 

[Tigermama]

Like many i have lost much enthusiasm watching the team this year.It is not because we are losing it is because the coach is strangling our attack which makes it nearly impossible to be competitive.I am an old bugger who has enjoyed watching football since the unlimited tackle days of the mid 60s but i have never seen such a defensive mindset as i see now.i doubt that i have ever witnessed a more boring gameplan.

Exactly right Jad. It's not us loosing that hurts, but the boring, mind numbing game plan. :frowning:

 

[MAFIA]

If defence is JT only concern why does he even bother picking Moses and Brooks who are singled out by opposition attacks and struggle in this area.

Because those 2 need to learn to tackle something they didn't learn in the 20s

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[Tigerspirit]

If defence is JT only concern why does he even bother picking Moses and Brooks who are singled out by opposition attacks and struggle in this area.

Because those 2 need to learn to tackle something they didn't learn in the 20s

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You are chosen to play in the nrl when your standards of football are above average, that includes being able to tackle???
Somenof you dopes really think this is kindergarten footy where we have to nurture adult players to tackle!????
This is the elite competion, if you cant win now or tackle or coach a team to attack and defend at the same time then GO AWAY

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[NT_Tiger]

Interesting quote from Tedesco in an article on the Fox site where he says that WT started the year getting their structure right and now "we've got that down pat". That tells me that if Taylor keeps talking about needing to continuously work on structure, his view about it and the players views aren't in sync.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Taupau will be the first to bail I reckon .. Looks like he's had a gut full already ._Posted using RoarFEED 4.2.0_

The same thought has crossed my mind on several occasions. Although it goes without saying, we can't afford that.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

If defence is JT only concern why does he even bother picking Moses and Brooks who are singled out by opposition attacks and struggle in this area.

Because those 2 need to learn to tackle something they didn't learn in the 20s

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Thats what State Cup is for.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

So we are whinging about Taylor holding back our young guns…..but when another player at another club has the kahunas to mention it....its classless and grubby

You cant have your cake and eat it too....I find it refreshing a player speaking his mind instead of the personalityless, robotic, monosyllabic cliched responses ala DCE...he knows hes on the outer and isnt afraid to speak his mind....Im sure brooks moses and teddy are feeling as he is.....wonder if Teddy is looking at the Raiders any differently now?

How long will these three...and Cherry eventually....put up with this ho hum footy>?
The offers will come......

Will depend on if they can see Taylor's big picture and want to be a part of the future of his big picture

Taupau will be the first to bail I reckon .. Looks like he's had a gut full already .

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That's why I've been asking when he's signed to, as he looks his mind is already on next year

 

[king_sirro]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/eels-halfback-chris-sandow-says-he-needs-more-freedom-to-get-parramatta-back-to-winning-ways/story-fnp0lyn3-1227391921978

<big>To quote Chris Sandow</big>

**<big>“Everyone doesn’t pay to come and see me play structured footy.

“I think if he (Arthur) lets me play how I want to play, we’ll win more games.</big>**
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This seems a familiar story, new coach bringing in a structure that doesnt really suit his play makers, club languishing at the bottom of the table.

Thankfully Brooks and Moses have a little more class and wouldnt openly challenge Taylor in this way.

Word is Sandow might be in reserve grade this week lol.

It was only a couple of weeks ago that Arthur publicly declared he wants Kelly as his half and not Sandow, but sally Cap stops him from doing it. Was a poor thing for a coach to state publicly against the guy (Sandow) he has to rely on. Full credit for Sandow for sticking it to Brad Arthur, he deserved it.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/eels-halfback-chris-sandow-says-he-needs-more-freedom-to-get-parramatta-back-to-winning-ways/story-fnp0lyn3-1227391921978

<big>To quote Chris Sandow</big>

**<big>“Everyone doesn’t pay to come and see me play structured footy.

“I think if he (Arthur) lets me play how I want to play, we’ll win more games.</big>**
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This seems a familiar story, new coach bringing in a structure that doesnt really suit his play makers, club languishing at the bottom of the table.

Thankfully Brooks and Moses have a little more class and wouldnt openly challenge Taylor in this way.

Word is Sandow might be in reserve grade this week lol.

It was only a couple of weeks ago that Arthur publicly declared he wants Kelly as his half and not Sandow, but sally Cap stops him from doing it. Was a poor thing for a coach to state publicly against the guy (Sandow) he has to rely on. Full credit for Sandow for sticking it to Brad Arthur, he deserved it.

I missed those comments, if thats the case i guess Sandow has some right to use the media to defend his talent.

 

[hobbo]

So we are whinging about Taylor holding back our young guns…..but when another player at another club has the kahunas to mention it....its classless and grubby

You cant have your cake and eat it too....I find it refreshing a player speaking his mind instead of the personalityless, robotic, monosyllabic cliched responses ala DCE...he knows hes on the outer and isnt afraid to speak his mind....Im sure brooks moses and teddy are feeling as he is.....wonder if Teddy is looking at the Raiders any differently now?

How long will these three...and Cherry eventually....put up with this ho hum footy>?
The offers will come......

Will depend on if they can see Taylor's big picture and want to be a part of the future of his big picture

Taupau will be the first to bail I reckon .. Looks like he's had a gut full already .

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That's why I've been asking when he's signed to, as he looks his mind is already on next year

Taupau has signed until the end of 2016 .
Not that it means much these days .

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[supercoach]

A very good side can introduce a couple of young kids at the same time but probably not in key spine positions. A weak team has no chance, yet we are trying to Introduce about six kids and half of them in the spine . It is doomed to failure and till we can find or develope a few more seasoned first graders we will be in the cellar,Tayloror no Taylor

 

[Tigermama]

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Yep that's right

The person who admitted he sold our soul for the WT's to win in 2005 and has caused our problems thinks its boring :wink:

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I added a few more just so that you completely understand

Oh, and I can't add emoticons from my iphone for extra theatrics.

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Hahaha, very funny CQ. Our Footy is putting me to sleep too… :laughing:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I would like to put forward the following points.1.does this system we are playing under JT guarantee future success?answer. of course not.2.even if success were to follow after how many seasons may it occur.answer.there is no given time.3.if we have to endure another 2 years of this how many of us will still care?

Good post,
There is absolutely no evidence on the field that Taylor has had any positive effect o n the team.
I've been asking whether anyone has seen anything in our game that says otherwise , but have not had a single answer that would dispute that statement. All I get is that it's a feeling that he's doing the right thing. After half the season has gone , there should have been something that his supporters could point to that would give an even slight pointer to an improvement.
We started the season as a team that couldn't defend well, which , (except on occasions) was the case for a long time
We still can't defend any better( unless teams have most of their attack missing)
The only thing that I see that's different is that our attack ( which was at least reasonable ) has been mostly as bad as our defence.
Mostly due to the ridiculous game plan we are using .
Our halves have gone backwards and look now like even they are wondering why they are there.
Either he has no idea of coaching them( which should be unlikely) or they are not capable of doing the job that they need to be doing.
As stated elswhere in this thread, "the NRL is not a kindergarten," these guys should be of a certain standard and Taylor certainly not improved them
So what makes anyone think as strongly as some do , that Taylor has any hope of bringing future success

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

lol read this on wiki the other day

Wests made the semis again in 1992, but Taylor was temporarily benched mid-season. Ongoing conflict with Warren Ryan saw Taylor seeking an early release from his contract. The release was not granted and Taylor remained for the 1993 season.[2][3] Taylor said, "The press came up with some interesting reasons why I wanted to leave, but I prefer to keep most of them to myself because they have been pretty well resolved. One reason, however, was I thought our style of play was too restrictive, too structured and by the end of the year, very predictable. I wasn't the only player to think that way.[4]

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