Team relocate

[ed612313]

Unfortunately Toowoomba doesn't provide the NRL with anything outside of an additional team that will drain money while giving nothing back. It will make them no extra money…. Why wold the NRL bother? Whats the population of the area? 250k max?
Does it provide the NRL with a whole new time slot on Fox? Unfortunately not.... Perth wins that. Does it provide the NRL with an additional few hundred thousand people watching along with a new timeslot? Unfortunately not. NZ offers this, and in PNGs case it would be up around 800k additional people watching.

 

[The_Tooth]

Relocation of a Sydney team to Toowoomba was my main point. Existing supported base with the addition of new supporters. More opportunities for sponsors and TPA's and recruitment.

I take your point though it doesn't compare to Perth, NZ or PNG. I just don't see any Sydney team relocating that far, apart from maybe Perth, but i wouldn't want my team spending 6 hours in a plane every second week.

As much as they want to talk about it, a new entity/team is along way off imo.

 

[turbodewd]

The one plus of a Syd team moving elsewhere is that (unlike the Storm or Titans) they would get a great away following when playing in Syd.

Adelaide Tigers ne1? (no competition from Super Rugby)

 

[happy_tiger]

I think the travel costs and toll on players to and from Perth will always be the negative aspect of any NRL team in Perth and ultimately keep them from being a top 6 club.

I'm all for Toowoomba. Nothing to do with me living near Toowoomba :smiley:. But seriously, I think it would work for an NRL team. Toowoomba have a brand new airport (Brisbane West they call it) that has daily flights to Sydney and Melbourne. Just over 1 hours drive to Brisbane. 2 hours to Gold Coast. It's Australia's largest inland city and on the doorstep to the central west of QLD. Its also not far from the whole New England area of NSW. The QLD country Rugby League is still pretty strong up here, so there's is a lot of young potential to tap into. Plenty of good players have come out of the bush around these areas. The proposed in-land rail to Melbourne is also going right through Toowoomba.

The Wagners group who built the airport have plenty of cash and have been in a bit of a tugg of war with another group in Ipswich that also want a team. This Ipswich mob have been talked about in relation to expansion. Ipswich is between Toowoomba and Brisbane. IMO too close to the Broncos and Titans. There is also plenty of Mining companies based in and around Toowoomba that obviously have plenty of dough.

The Toowoomba Clydesdale's used to be the feeder club for the Broncos but the Broncos neglected them in years gone by. I think Toowoomba is ripe for the pickings.

The big hurdle is the same with most proposed cities for expansion, thats the lack of a quality stadium.

I'm fairly certain it won't ever happen, but if push came to shove Toowoomba would be a good fit for an NRL club and the Wests Tigers could could keep their identity.
I've lived here for 10 years now and am still surprised to see how many Tigers supporters are already here.

Forget Toowommba

Ipswich

 

[ed612313]

Adelaide is laughable. Have you been to Adelaide? if anything is 15 years away its League in Adelaide. adealide also doesnt provide much. There is very little money in Adelaide. Just look at the way they go on about there hospital and new stadium!
Adelaide should not even be on the radar…..
A 2nd team in queensland, as little as it provides the NRL financially, is miles more beneficial to the NRL than Adelaide ever will be (financially and logistically).
And im lost as to why people think Union in Australia is a threat - On any level.... It isnt.

 

[The_Tooth]

Yeah there is a big push for Ipswich, but Toowoomba's airport is a big advantage and I think Ipswich is still too close to compete with the Broncos for sponsors and supporters. But yeah Ipswich is a far more likely scenario for some reason.

 

[tigermac88]

Sorry ed but I can't see any advantages of moving to Perth. Are you saying we should abandon our junior league areas and set up in Perth? Your comments about the junior league areas is laughable… Give away Campbelltown area to other clubs?? And Balmain are wankers??.... Can you please tell me how many NRL players there are that have come out of Perth? I don't think the list would be very long. We tried the Rugby League experiment in Perth and Adelaide before and it didn't survive so what makes you think things will be different now?

 

[ed612313]

Well what is supposed to happen with the Cambelltown juniors? Keep them as feeders for the Perth team? Fact is in this day and age juniors means very little to a 1st grade team. If a player is good and a team wants him - they buy him at 16\. The fact a 15yo comes from Leichardt means absolutely nothing come time to play NRL.
And yes - Balmain is full of Wankers that do not support the Tigers, and are at best bandwagon jumpers.
Difference???? Money - The NRL has it now. Whereas in the past it didn't.
All the NRL cares about is TV figures. This is where it makes its money. Perth means another game on TV be it sat or Sunday that wont clash with the current set up because of time zones. If there are only 10k that turn up to each Perth home game but 400k are watching it on Fox, or 1 mill on free to air - Do you think the NRL care?
For the record i dont want Perth in the comp…. Not for a while. Give me NZ 2 or PNG any day. They are no doubt making good progress with there juniors in Perth and i think this should be given a few more years but financially it makes sense for the NRL. Even if they are shelling out millions to keep them afloat. They will make it back come TV deal time. This cant be said for a 2nd queensland team, or a Adelaide team.

 

[glebe_tiger]

Expansion wise everyone knows next team will be out of QLD or NZ. But even that is a long way away.

If anyone thinks that relocating a sydney team will make the sydney market a better place, good luck. The remaining sydney teams (NRL, AFL, A-league) will rub their hands together with glee. Forget about upsetting current fans, that would be the minimum. I think plenty of fans would abandon them. NRL has learnt its lessons with teams leaving the marketplace.

If and when a Perth team ever comes into the comp it needs to be a fresh start, no reds throwback, clean slate like Storm. But if you believe it's happening in the next 10yrs, i'd be very surprised if it did in all honesty. You're up against an AFL mad state for starters and it would be a multi-million dollar money pit for years. Perth's time will come but it ain't as close as many people think.

And no i don't read the Telegraph haven't bought it in years, but going by some of the comments here talking about tv numbers, business etc sounds exactly like News Ltd talk. The NRL will always get big numbers dollar wise from tv rights and thankfully they've taken control back somewhat compared to previous deals.

 

[ed612313]

Do you have evidence to the contrary. By evidence I mean actual quotes from the NRL or Ashfield saying it could at least be a possibility. As badly run as the Wests Tigers are (and the NRL) i highly doubt they are incompetent enough to suggest a team possibly could be relocated. Why slowly kill off a business and upset as many people as possible in the process. s The lone fact we are one of the poorer clubs isn't evidence of anything.

Yes it is…. Its evidence we are a poorly run business. If being poor for a decade isn't evidence of this then i don't know what is

I'll take that as a no then.
Not an argument
Again….. Im not in the business of trying to argue against 14yos so ill leave it at that. Come back to me in a few years time when you can provide a coherent "argument"

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Do you have evidence to the contrary. By evidence I mean actual quotes from the NRL or Ashfield saying it could at least be a possibility. As badly run as the Wests Tigers are (and the NRL) i highly doubt they are incompetent enough to suggest a team possibly could be relocated. Why slowly kill off a business and upset as many people as possible in the process. s The lone fact we are one of the poorer clubs isn't evidence of anything.

Yes it is…. Its evidence we are a poorly run business. If being poor for a decade isn't evidence of this then i don't know what is

I'll take that as a no then.

Not an argument
Again….. Im not in the business of trying to argue against 14yos so ill leave it at that. Come back to me in a few years time when you can provide a coherent "argument"
My argument is coherent, it was pretty simple actually. Do you have any evidence besides your personal opinion. You clearly don't.

 

[galea_11]

Well what is supposed to happen with the Cambelltown juniors? Keep them as feeders for the Perth team? Fact is in this day and age juniors means very little to a 1st grade team. If a player is good and a team wants him - they buy him at 16\. The fact a 15yo comes from Leichardt means absolutely nothing come time to play NRL.
And yes - Balmain is full of Wankers that do not support the Tigers, and are at best bandwagon jumpers.
Difference???? Money - The NRL has it now. Whereas in the past it didn't.
All the NRL cares about is TV figures. This is where it makes its money. Perth means another game on TV be it sat or Sunday that wont clash with the current set up because of time zones. If there are only 10k that turn up to each Perth home game but 400k are watching it on Fox, or 1 mill on free to air - Do you think the NRL care?
For the record i dont want Perth in the comp…. Not for a while. Give me NZ 2 or PNG any day. They are no doubt making good progress with there juniors in Perth and i think this should be given a few more years but financially it makes sense for the NRL. Even if they are shelling out millions to keep them afloat. They will make it back come TV deal time. This cant be said for a 2nd queensland team, or a Adelaide team.

Don't forget we lose our top juniors constantly roosters eels Bulldogs are poaching and out only advantage is the bulk juniors u will get a Moses or Tedesco come through

Storm have created a brilliant program and how many juniors does Melbourne produce

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Fact is in this day and age juniors means very little to a 1st grade team.

Umm….yes they do...

_"Since the turn of the century, and in this salary cap scrutinised era, no team has been able to win a premiership without the majority of its grand final team having made their NRL debut with that particular club."_

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/cronulla-sharks/the-trend-the-cronulla-sharks-have-to-buck-to-win-the-2016-nrl-title-20160604-gpbok4.html

 

[ed612313]

Fact is in this day and age juniors means very little to a 1st grade team.

Umm….yes they do...

_"Since the turn of the century, and in this salary cap scrutinised era, no team has been able to win a premiership without the majority of its grand final team having made their NRL debut with that particular club."_

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/cronulla-sharks/the-trend-the-cronulla-sharks-have-to-buck-to-win-the-2016-nrl-title-20160604-gpbok4.html

What does that have to do with Juniors? You think because someone debuts with a club they were part of that clubs "junior" system?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Unfortunately Toowoomba doesn't provide the NRL with anything outside of an additional team that will drain money while giving nothing back. It will make them no extra money…. Why wold the NRL bother? Whats the population of the area? 250k max?
Does it provide the NRL with a whole new time slot on Fox? Unfortunately not.... Perth wins that. Does it provide the NRL with an additional few hundred thousand people watching along with a new timeslot? Unfortunately not. NZ offers this, and in PNGs case it would be up around 800k additional people watching.

Your right Ed
Not only is the extra time slot desirable to the league, but also to national sponsors and tv channels
I still when the league decides who will drop out from the Sydney comp
They won't be asking for volunteers

 

[Geo]

Nothing will happen for the term of the next TV deal so just look forward till 2022…

 

[ed612313]

My personal pipe dream is PNG.
If the NRL/PNG Govt found a way to team up with a mining company or 2 and put a team in PNG - As well as funds for juniors - The game would explode.
Having been to PNG it leaves anywhere in Australia for absolute dead for enthusiasm for the game.
They def have the numbers and players but lose them due to no pathways/training facilities from teenagers on.
How hard could it be?
Surely the Govt can MAKE one of the many Gold mining/mining companies contribute funds to the teams growth/stadium. Those companies have been raping PNG for decades.
I can tell you know - If PNG played Union they would be heavily funded and would be in that joke of a comp (Super 12 or whatever it is) by now.
Having a PNG team running around in the NRL would be a huge draw card as well as adding HUGE TV viewing numbers (admittedly hard to quantify in PNG)
The Q Cup is a great start and the right way to do things but they need more money from PNG

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I doubt the NRL would attempt to force out the Wests Tigers considering the sacrafices made in 1999, but I doubt they will come to the party financially anymore.

If we folded [which isnt likely while WA own the club], I'd say the NRL would take back the Name & Logo and look at alternative regions to place a new franchise. I'm also certain the NRL would offer huge incentives to relocate a current franchise from Sydney, so their are options.

But for now, I think we are safe!

 

[Chris]

I would love to see a team formed in Central QLD. Taking an area from Rocky to the Sunshine Coast. That's untouched waters from any code and I think it's a gold mine waiting to be unearthed.

 

[jirskyr]

My personal pipe dream is PNG.
If the NRL/PNG Govt found a way to team up with a mining company or 2 and put a team in PNG - As well as funds for juniors - The game would explode.
Having been to PNG it leaves anywhere in Australia for absolute dead for enthusiasm for the game.
They def have the numbers and players but lose them due to no pathways/training facilities from teenagers on.
How hard could it be?
Surely the Govt can MAKE one of the many Gold mining/mining companies contribute funds to the teams growth/stadium. Those companies have been raping PNG for decades.
I can tell you know - If PNG played Union they would be heavily funded and would be in that joke of a comp (Super 12 or whatever it is) by now.
Having a PNG team running around in the NRL would be a huge draw card as well as adding HUGE TV viewing numbers (admittedly hard to quantify in PNG)
The Q Cup is a great start and the right way to do things but they need more money from PNG

Really, Rugby would have been able to fund PNG into the Super competition? They aren't even doing that in the Eastern Pacific Islands and those countries are already mad for the game.