Tevita Pangai Junior

[hobbo1]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

I don't know if Harry is involved with TPA's. As of a season ago I know Harry was still putting in a 6 figure sum into the club. Suggested arrangement seemed adhoc.

Harry has no financial agreement with the club ...and probably hasn't since he was a major sponsor ...you don't become the richest man in Australia by throwing your money after probable lost causes .....

He is tipping money in every year.

Tip jar ?

 

[happy_tiger]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

I don't know if Harry is involved with TPA's. As of a season ago I know Harry was still putting in a 6 figure sum into the club. Suggested arrangement seemed adhoc.

Harry has no financial agreement with the club ...and probably hasn't since he was a major sponsor ...you don't become the richest man in Australia by throwing your money after probable lost causes .....

Harry still puts money into the club every year.

He could buy Tigers 100 times over and still be one of the richest around, it would be chump change to him.

I wish he would buy it tbh.

Not at his age, what happens when he passes and his family have no interest in the club?

He can leave it to me

Then throw it on red or black .....

 

[cochise]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

I don't know if Harry is involved with TPA's. As of a season ago I know Harry was still putting in a 6 figure sum into the club. Suggested arrangement seemed adhoc.

Harry has no financial agreement with the club ...and probably hasn't since he was a major sponsor ...you don't become the richest man in Australia by throwing your money after probable lost causes .....

He is tipping money in every year.

Tip jar ?

Maybe it comes from his swear jar, and being a Tigers fan it is probably pretty full.

 

[twentyforty]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...

Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

 

[cochise]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

 

[Aubanon]

A simple way to tidy up the whole TPA thing is to count ALL TPA’s as part of the cap UNLESS the TPA is not aligned to a player’s club (Meaning it follows the player wherever they go).

It would quickly separate legitimate TPA’S from cap rorting TPAs

I don't think you can do that, I don't think it is fair to limit a player earning from their image.

If they are earning from their image alone, then it should be transferable (And excluded from the cap). If they are earning because of their club association, then it should be part of the salary cap.

 

[cochise]

A simple way to tidy up the whole TPA thing is to count ALL TPA’s as part of the cap UNLESS the TPA is not aligned to a player’s club (Meaning it follows the player wherever they go).

It would quickly separate legitimate TPA’S from cap rorting TPAs

I don't think you can do that, I don't think it is fair to limit a player earning from their image.

If they are earning from their image alone, then it should be transferable (And excluded from the cap). If they are earning because of their club association, then it should be part of the salary cap.

Not always mate, as I said earlier, why would a Brisbane company want to sponsor a Sydney based player? It is not about the club is about access to the player.

 

[Needaname]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

Care to share it? Or at least give us an example of the feeling of his thoughts?

 

[cochise]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

Care to share it? Or at least give us an example of the feeling of his thoughts?

He agreed walking was the right decision.

On a related note the club has got his flight booked home, with covid that had been difficult and he will be on deck late in the month.

 

[tony soprano]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

Care to share it? Or at least give us an example of the feeling of his thoughts?

He agreed walking was the right decision.

On a related note the club has got his flight booked home, with covid that had been difficult and he will be on deck late in the month.

So sheens will have a hand in first grade?

 

[cochise]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

Care to share it? Or at least give us an example of the feeling of his thoughts?

He agreed walking was the right decision.

On a related note the club has got his flight booked home, with covid that had been difficult and he will be on deck late in the month.

So sheens will have a hand in first grade?

His primary role is in Pathways, but his opinion will be sought in other areas. He is being looked ay as a mentor across the club, there are already sheenisms coming out in the language of the club. Things like "You are not a 1st grade player until you have played 100 games" I think that used to be 50 games lol. The club is very keen to get the right 150 game players in to support what is the youngest squad in the comp.

 

[Harvey]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

Care to share it? Or at least give us an example of the feeling of his thoughts?

He agreed walking was the right decision.

On a related note the club has got his flight booked home, with covid that had been difficult and he will be on deck late in the month.

So sheens will have a hand in first grade?

His primary role is in Pathways, but his opinion will be sought in other areas. He is being looked ay as a mentor across the club, there are already sheenisms coming out in the language of the club. Things like "You are not a 1st grade player until you have played 100 games" I think that used to be 50 games lol. The club is very keen to get the right 150 game players in to support what is the youngest squad in the comp.

I think is should be, "You are not a first grader until you have won 50 games"

 

[cochise]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

Care to share it? Or at least give us an example of the feeling of his thoughts?

He agreed walking was the right decision.

On a related note the club has got his flight booked home, with covid that had been difficult and he will be on deck late in the month.

So sheens will have a hand in first grade?

His primary role is in Pathways, but his opinion will be sought in other areas. He is being looked ay as a mentor across the club, there are already sheenisms coming out in the language of the club. Things like "You are not a 1st grade player until you have played 100 games" I think that used to be 50 games lol. The club is very keen to get the right 150 game players in to support what is the youngest squad in the comp.


I think is should be, "You are not a first grader until you have won 50 games"

Sheens used to say that about the 2005 crew all the time.

 

[Needaname]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

Care to share it? Or at least give us an example of the feeling of his thoughts?

He agreed walking was the right decision.

On a related note the club has got his flight booked home, with covid that had been difficult and he will be on deck late in the month.

So sheens will have a hand in first grade?

His primary role is in Pathways, but his opinion will be sought in other areas. He is being looked ay as a mentor across the club, there are already sheenisms coming out in the language of the club. Things like "You are not a 1st grade player until you have played 100 games" I think that used to be 50 games lol. The club is very keen to get the right 150 game players in to support what is the youngest squad in the comp.


I think is should be, "You are not a first grader until you have won 50 games"

I wonder how our current side would stack up if that was indeed an index of quality?
Stats guys?

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

I don't know if Harry is involved with TPA's. As of a season ago I know Harry was still putting in a 6 figure sum into the club. Suggested arrangement seemed adhoc.

He is not involved with TPAs but as you said still contibutes significantly to the club.

is he allowed to be involved in TPA's he woukd be handy would allow us to compete

 

[twentyforty]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

I wasn’t aware that he had gone public with an opinion. Looking forward to his arrival. Any idea when that could be?

 

[cochise]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

I don't know if Harry is involved with TPA's. As of a season ago I know Harry was still putting in a 6 figure sum into the club. Suggested arrangement seemed adhoc.

He is not involved with TPAs but as you said still contibutes significantly to the club.

is he allowed to be involved in TPA's he woukd be handy would allow us to compete

I don't know about currently, but I'm pretty sure he was prevented at some point.

 

[hank37w]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

Failed to reach the reserve price.

So what happens to TPJ if the Dogs were only fishing?
He's stuck at the Donkeys or has to lower his asking price.

All TPJ can do is have a [This word has been automatically removed] and a moan to his manager for stuffing up his career by missing out on a more than generous offer made by the Tigers and the opportunity to reach the absolute pinnacle with a club that is about to become the power house of the Rugby League world.

Players shouldn't rely on greedy managers who are only interested in maximizing their commissions, often at the expense or detriment to their clients relatively short careers.

Mm. Just like Tedesco, JAC, Matterson and Moses.

Bet they're regretting not staying at this power house of a club.

Possibly, but what they should really regret is the amount of commission they would be paying to dodgy player managers who half the time are doing their best to do deals behind their clients backs with the main motivation being to line their own pockets.

 

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I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

Care to share it? Or at least give us an example of the feeling of his thoughts?

He agreed walking was the right decision.

On a related note the club has got his flight booked home, with covid that had been difficult and he will be on deck late in the month.

So sheens will have a hand in first grade?

His primary role is in Pathways, but his opinion will be sought in other areas. He is being looked ay as a mentor across the club, there are already sheenisms coming out in the language of the club. Things like "You are not a 1st grade player until you have played 100 games" I think that used to be 50 games lol. The club is very keen to get the right 150 game players in to support what is the youngest squad in the comp.

That’s positive

 

[tony soprano]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...


Since we’re all speculating..
You could be close to the mark? The price was obviously in the ball park, otherwise there’s no need to keep talking, right?
I often wondered why our 3 heavyweights flew north on a mission and then it got hosed down by every man and his dog?
Here’s my take.. player manager gives the go ahead. Our big 3 make the trek north. The already under pressure Kevvie, who is still under control of the roster at that time (and wants others to know it) calls it publicly. The media and everyone else , realising Kevvie is right, also realise there’s nothing in it for anyone to expose the facts, just simply drop it.
Now here’s where I think WT may have tripped. They are divided on wether Pangai is a good fit because the refs will keep giving him time off. I think Sheens would have been the most vocal and finally the pro Pangai group make a concession which puts us out of the race for his signature. They heavily weighted the contract price toward attendance? Let’s say they wanted 20 games per season with the total contract of say $700k, with $350k /20 games= $17,500 match payments.
Speculation on my part, but the only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m not overly concerned we look likely to miss out on Pangai. I would like to see the club more united in the decision making process though.

Sheens only gave his opinion after the offer was withdrawn.

Care to share it? Or at least give us an example of the feeling of his thoughts?

He agreed walking was the right decision.

On a related note the club has got his flight booked home, with covid that had been difficult and he will be on deck late in the month.

So sheens will have a hand in first grade?

His primary role is in Pathways, but his opinion will be sought in other areas. He is being looked ay as a mentor across the club, there are already sheenisms coming out in the language of the club. Things like "You are not a 1st grade player until you have played 100 games" I think that used to be 50 games lol. The club is very keen to get the right 150 game players in to support what is the youngest squad in the comp.


I think is should be, "You are not a first grader until you have won 50 games"

Sheens used to say that about the 2005 crew all the time.

Do you know who’s idea it was at the club to bring sheens back it’s quite innovative for them IMO