Tevita Pangai Junior

[happy_tiger]

Latrell signs for less to go to souths
but we withdraw our offer
so he didn't reject us we took our bat and ball and went home
Pangai like Latrell has elected to play elsewhere other than Tigers

Are you still sulking

We should be in mourning after the last 10 seasons ......

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

 

[happy_tiger]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

We only have ourselves to blame .....sorry ....don't blame the NRL ...blame the WT's business practices ...it's that simple ....if we were on top , we wouldn't give a crap, would we

 

[jirskyr]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...

You have no idea why they went up there, if they indeed did go up there to talk, and it doesn't matter anyway.

Officially at the time, no matter who from Tigers went anywhere, TPJ was in no position to negotiate or agree to anything - he was not given permission by Broncos.

And the player himself said he never met with the club at the time - that's the only official record we have.

In fact, even if it played out exactly as you say, it's good management. It's proactive management. You make your first approach in force, show them you are serious, see if you can get the jump on your rivals.

The alternative is to be like Bulldogs, late to the party and forced to pay extras, above already struggling sides, to get signatures.

 

[Aubanon]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

I don't know if Harry is involved with TPA's. As of a season ago I know Harry was still putting in a 6 figure sum into the club. Suggested arrangement seemed adhoc.

 

[happy_tiger]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...

You have no idea why they went up there, if they indeed did go up there to talk, and it doesn't matter anyway.

Officially at the time, no matter who from Tigers went anywhere, TPJ was in no position to negotiate or agree to anything - he was not given permission by Broncos.

And the player himself said he never met with the club at the time - that's the only official record we have.

In fact, even if it played out exactly as you say, it's good management. It's proactive management. You make your first approach in force, show them you are serious, see if you can get the jump on your rivals.

The alternative is to be like Bulldogs, late to the party and forced to pay extras, above already struggling sides, to get signatures.

LOL ....Players never meet with clubs ....their managers though ....different story

 

[jirskyr]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

We only have ourselves to blame .....sorry ....don't blame the NRL ...blame the WT's business practices ...it's that simple ....if we were on top , we wouldn't give a crap, would we

That's dumb, Tigers will NEVER compete with single-market Broncos.

Fair enough if Tigers were struggling to meet Bulldogs or Eels TPAs, that's a fair comparison, but Broncos have more sponsorship lined up than any other club.

 

[Aubanon]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

We only have ourselves to blame .....sorry ....don't blame the NRL ...blame the WT's business practices ...it's that simple ....if we were on top , we wouldn't give a crap, would we

I don't blame the NRL - Just pointing out the imbalance.

Our only way out of this quagmire is with a focus on juniors.

 

[jirskyr]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...

You have no idea why they went up there, if they indeed did go up there to talk, and it doesn't matter anyway.

Officially at the time, no matter who from Tigers went anywhere, TPJ was in no position to negotiate or agree to anything - he was not given permission by Broncos.

And the player himself said he never met with the club at the time - that's the only official record we have.

In fact, even if it played out exactly as you say, it's good management. It's proactive management. You make your first approach in force, show them you are serious, see if you can get the jump on your rivals.

The alternative is to be like Bulldogs, late to the party and forced to pay extras, above already struggling sides, to get signatures.

LOL ....Players never meet with clubs ....their managers though ....different story

Can only go with what is official. You can't make an offer to Pangai until the Broncos permit you.

 

[happy_tiger]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

I don't know if Harry is involved with TPA's. As of a season ago I know Harry was still putting in a 6 figure sum into the club. Suggested arrangement seemed adhoc.

Harry has no financial agreement with the club ...and probably hasn't since he was a major sponsor ...you don't become the richest man in Australia by throwing your money after probable lost causes .....

 

[jirskyr]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

I don't know if Harry is involved with TPA's. As of a season ago I know Harry was still putting in a 6 figure sum into the club. Suggested arrangement seemed adhoc.

Harry has no financial agreement with the club ...and probably hasn't since he was a major sponsor ...you don't become the richest man in Australia by throwing your money after probable lost causes .....

Harry still puts money into the club every year.

He could buy Tigers 100 times over and still be one of the richest around, it would be chump change to him.

 

[happy_tiger]

I dont think wed send THREE most senior ppl up there unless we had discussed and agreed ball park price....that wld be plain stupid,tho not outside the realms of possibility.
Apart from Kevvies on again off again mood swings,Im guessing TPJs manager upped the ante on us,possibly with new clubs entering the tpj market and possibly not...and it simply teed us off
..yet again
Its just not a good look either way Tiger management!
Looks like the desperate and dateless...which cld be true...

You have no idea why they went up there, if they indeed did go up there to talk, and it doesn't matter anyway.

Officially at the time, no matter who from Tigers went anywhere, TPJ was in no position to negotiate or agree to anything - he was not given permission by Broncos.

And the player himself said he never met with the club at the time - that's the only official record we have.

In fact, even if it played out exactly as you say, it's good management. It's proactive management. You make your first approach in force, show them you are serious, see if you can get the jump on your rivals.

The alternative is to be like Bulldogs, late to the party and forced to pay extras, above already struggling sides, to get signatures.

LOL ....Players never meet with clubs ....their managers though ....different story

Can only go with what is official. You can't make an offer to Pangai until the Broncos permit you.

As we have all learnt ...rules apply to no one in the NRL ...on or off field

Probably the one thing I have seen and learnt .....clubs that have major salary cap indisgressions don't suffer long .....I'd say it is probably worth the risk in our case .....

 

[Harvey]

I don't think that Pangai junior is consistent enough to be labelled a marquee player but he is not terrible.

He is younger than some of the other players we have floating around on marquee money and we were not tying ourselves into a marquee contract.

Now compare this to our smart signing. Finucane is supposedly a leader on and off the field. It is highly unlikely that he will individually win or turn a game for the team. He is 30 years old and has spent a decade putting his body on the line and wants at least as much coin and a longer contract.

Who would you take?

 

[hank37w]

Take it as FACT WestsTigers NOT in for Tevita Pangai Jr. They’ve done their homework and convinced he’s not a good fit for them ...
https://twitter.com/mrchrisnico/status/1410569442656866308?s=19

Maybe Pangai isn't interested in us ...the truth can be painful ladies and gentlemen

Going on past experience, I would say you are bang on

According to some on here we didn't miss Signing him as we "pulled out" fact is another player who did not want to come here.
I am glad we missed him at the price

"TPJ is said to prefer the Tigers or Dragons over the dogs", if this in fact true, then we didn't miss him, he just wanted more than we wanted to pay? If you look at the dogs, they will be in serious trouble if they don't fire from the get go?

we did miss him we made an offer he didn't take it he went elsewhere that is missing the purchase
Latrell
JAC
this happens to Tigers all the time
they better land Funucane and or Brandon Smith

No we didn't miss him, we made an offer, he wanted more, we moved on without further negotiation.

Are they after Finucane or Smith?

if you bid for a house and you do not get the house you missed out on purchasing the house we made a bid it was Rejected

We withdrew our offer and walked away.

ok...
I really want that house
As the auction price goes past what you can afford
you pull out as someone else purchases the house
You feel better as you withdrew your offer and walk away
life doesn't work like that end of the day you didn't get the house you wanted someone else did

Yeah because they overpaid, that is not how you get ahead.

we still missed him regardless of what they were paid he went elsewhere

So are you trying to say it is a bad thing we didn't over pay?

no I'm trying to say we made an offer he has elected to go elsewhere we missed out on him. just because the club then withdraws the offer it doe not mean you wanted him and did not get him.
this is aimed at the people on here who are like oh we withdrew the offer so that is ok
If you are a salesman and a you make a sales pitch but the potential client elects to go with another companies product t then you have missed the sale, you can't go back to your manager and be like hey nothing to see hear we never wanted that client anyway that is ridiculous we sent three staff up there and pitched the club and like Latrell and JAC duck egg.
Hope we land someone decent soon

Read the news about this, he has been offered a substantial amount more than we offered.
We didn’t want to increase our offer, so that means we walked away, if you choose to believe otherwise, then fine.
BTW, I was a sales manager for many years, you don’t sell at any price. You stick to your budget.

likewise if you choose to believe we walked away and didn't miss out on a player good luck to you.
you obviously don't do any auctions if you go to buy something and don't due to price or whatever you miss the product regardless that is fact.

You have trouble letting things go, you are playing a game semantics.

and likewise if we want Dale Finucane and we don't offer enough it will mean it is another player that we tried to land and did not as he had a better offer be that more money or longer deal etc than we are prepared to offer, still doesn't erase the fact if we put an offer and it gets rejected then we miss the player
three years for Finucane worth a shot not four years

In a negotiation, you make an offer, if the player comes back and say I want more money and you turn around and say we are not prepared to offer more so are ending the negotiation. In that scenario you are ending the negotiation not the player. We weren't outbid, we decided that TPJ wasn't worth the money he wanted, we rejected his offer and ended negotiations.

Failed to reach the reserve price.

So what happens to TPJ if the Dogs were only fishing?
He's stuck at the Donkeys or has to lower his asking price.

All TPJ can do is have a [This word has been automatically removed] and a moan to his manager for stuffing up his career by missing out on a more than generous offer made by the Tigers and the opportunity to reach the absolute pinnacle with a club that is about to become the power house of the Rugby League world.

Players shouldn't rely on greedy managers who are only interested in maximizing their commissions, often at the expense or detriment to their clients relatively short careers.

 

[JC99]

I don't think that Pangai junior is consistent enough to be labelled a marquee player but he is not terrible.

He is younger than some of the other players we have floating around on marquee money and we were not tying ourselves into a marquee contract.

Now compare this to our smart signing. Finucane is supposedly a leader on and off the field. It is highly unlikely that he will individually win or turn a game for the team. He is 30 years old and has spent a decade putting his body on the line and wants at least as much coin and a longer contract.

Who would you take?

Alternatively, Finucane won't make errors and mistakes that will lose you a game while Pangai just might. I know which one most coaches would prefer but it all depends on where your club is at and what needs fixing.

 

[TigerWest]

I honestly think its for the best, that we signed none of them. I think it will make the club realize that it has to grow its future not buy it, this pathological need to throw our name and money at anything that comes on the market skews our cap and ruins our pathways.

Tbh, I’m not super keen on LM the person, but as a player, he would of looked good in a WT’s jersey😀

 

[hank37w]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

Was about to post something along the same lines.

If that clown has a legit TPA that is still current, shouldn't it go with him regardles of which club he plays for?

If that is the case, it just shows up what a rort the TPA's,
golf tournaments and brown paper bags are.

 

[happy_tiger]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

We only have ourselves to blame .....sorry ....don't blame the NRL ...blame the WT's business practices ...it's that simple ....if we were on top , we wouldn't give a crap, would we

That's dumb, Tigers will NEVER compete with single-market Broncos.

Fair enough if Tigers were struggling to meet Bulldogs or Eels TPAs, that's a fair comparison, but Broncos have more sponsorship lined up than any other club.

Yet they sit where ...still got to get player recruitment / retention right

And the Broncos lose the single city market soon ...and the single nation Warriors have won how many premierships .....

All comes back to getting the right players ......and when you have 5 potential superstar back rowers coming through each season as SE Qld can do ....picking the right one isn't easy

The late great Cyril Connell .....any coincidence he finished at the Broncos in 2006 ......

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

I don't know if Harry is involved with TPA's. As of a season ago I know Harry was still putting in a 6 figure sum into the club. Suggested arrangement seemed adhoc.

Harry has no financial agreement with the club ...and probably hasn't since he was a major sponsor ...you don't become the richest man in Australia by throwing your money after probable lost causes .....

Harry still puts money into the club every year.

He could buy Tigers 100 times over and still be one of the richest around, it would be chump change to him.

but do they use him for tpa deals ? I thought thenrl did not allow him to do tpa's with Tigers as he had been a previous sponsor or something.
Brandon Smith or Cameron Munster selling Meriton apartments looks pretty good

 

[avocadoontoast]

This whole TPA charade just proves how imbalanced the NRL is.

TPJ needs us to meet not only his contract price but also his TPA. TPA's are meant to be independent arrangements with biz/players. Theoretically they shouldn't matter where a player plays.

In reality MOST TPA's are just a circumvention of the salary cap. So clubs like ours not only have to pay overs salary cap wise - we also need to try and match TPA's potentially within our salary cap as we don't have the corporate clout as some other clubs.

Irony is, sponsorship is hard at the best of times let alone when the team is struggling.

did we try to get Meriton as a tpa bt were told by the nrl they were too close to the club even after they dropped jersey sponsorship ?

I don't know if Harry is involved with TPA's. As of a season ago I know Harry was still putting in a 6 figure sum into the club. Suggested arrangement seemed adhoc.

Harry has no financial agreement with the club ...and probably hasn't since he was a major sponsor ...you don't become the richest man in Australia by throwing your money after probable lost causes .....

Harry still puts money into the club every year.

He could buy Tigers 100 times over and still be one of the richest around, it would be chump change to him.

I wish he would buy it tbh.