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We never saw them at their best….all year Ive been waiting yet with every improvement we would lose ground in other areas.
We never once really put two halves together, we never ever put a team really away...possibly the Titans and raiders (both equal last)
For someone with Sheens experience....to have his key play makers continually do high risk low percentage plays like running on the last like last night and giving away cheap field position tells me he either has no control or he allows them too much free rein.....this is why I call for him to go, its comfortable at WTs for a lot of people.
We play the way we do to accomodate benji, its exciting but also high risk, but I though about 5 weeks ago we would run out of time to see them reach their peak, I had a faint hope maybe we would....but we cant put 2 halves together, MENTALLY IT IS NOT IN THEM....and this again comes down to players being comfortable- too comfortable...we lack discipline, but hey thats the way we play and its great with a full hill on a sunny sunday arvo cause it gets ratings..... :unamused:
 
You cant have it both ways, we all accept when Benji or Farah pull a magic play out of nowhere to win a game, so we got to accept it when they do something crazy. I certainly dont want to go out on a cold winters night and see a team like the robot dragons run around with their one attacking play in their kit bag.

Okay your right it was dumb play not to kick and may have cost us the game, but in eighty minutes of football their are lots of "if only's"

Anyway I think they will be bigger and stronger next year
 
Benji has been playing for 9 years now…...he is a senior player, international captain....**there are times** when you just close it out...apply pressure, make it difficult for the opposition
Sheens cant get that into them...its his job.
Its not just last night....I lost count of the times I would post in a live thread at half time when he have a lead yet we play stupid, kicking on tackle 2 etc etc
I dont think I'll ever accept it when they look like u/9's all with white line fever trying to score off every tackle
 
I think Ink may cop a bit for this thread…....the line "didnt hear u complaining when we won nine straight" may be thrown up lol.......but he's right.

The only thing professionally consistant about Tim Sheens coached teams is INCONSISTANCY
 
I think we never saw them at their best for a full 80 because whether you want to admit it or not, we have had probably the worst injury record in the NRL this year. Toward the end when people were coming back, you saw of what we were capable. Unfortunately, the stuttering in the last week or two was because of injuries creeping in again.

Our time will come.
 
If you want a team that bases it's game plan on no frills, conservative football, a team whose intention is to find corners and force mistakes, you're following the wrong Club. The Tigers have single handedly transformed the game of Rugby League over the last 5 or 6 years, from a boring, uninventive festival of predictability to a game where daring and risk can provide great rewards. Without the likes of Benji Marshall the game may well have been withering on the vine.
 
i think ink is right in that the team does seem to struggle with mental toughness.

some games or times within games call for simple kick to the corner and chase hard. the other area for me is defence, not just goal line and ruck but defensively our record is not great and that is something sheens has not been able to turn around year after year after year.

look, they did well to finish top four two seasons in a row, don't get me wrong i'm very happy, BUT, to win minor premierships and grand finals we need to fix these areas…

anyway very excited about 2012 with Blair the forward leader we need and some brilliant youngsters coming through!
 
the truth is we needed to be a little more attacking in the s/h.We just needed one more try but they looked comfortable with that little lead.

We actually played pretty well last night for 60m,just the first 10 & last 10 in the s/h was horrible.They needed to go right on with it.
 
@Citizen Tiger said:
If you want a team that bases it's game plan on no frills, conservative football, a team whose intention is to find corners and force mistakes, you're following the wrong Club. The Tigers have single handedly transformed the game of Rugby League over the last 5 or 6 years, from a boring, uninventive festival of predictability to a game where daring and risk can provide great rewards. Without the likes of Benji Marshall the game may well have been withering on the vine.
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Nope.

Dont want a no frills base…..but it has its place at times.
 
Agree with Ink. We just don't know when to put the rack back in the cue and play some smart conservative footy. In high pressure semi finals, it always had the potential to come back and bite us on the bot bot
 
You cant say Benji shouldve or couldve he has a style of game that he plays thats unique. He has always played like this and always will, thats just him. When it works it looks amazing and when it doesnt well even the most conservative players make mistakes so you ant blame him too much.
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The way I see it is we live by the sword and sometimes die by it too. Sure is disappointing when we lose because of the high risk football we play, but its also incredible when we win playing that type of footy.
 
We may not have won the big one and that hurts like hell. However, we have been in the semis two years in a row - how long has it been since anyone here has experienced that. FFS - take a positive out of the year.
 
@innsaneink said:
We never saw them at their best….all year Ive been waiting yet with every improvement we would lose ground in other areas.
We never once really put two halves together, we never ever put a team really away...possibly the Titans and raiders (both equal last)
For someone with Sheens experience....to have his key play makers continually do high risk low percentage plays like running on the last like last night and giving away cheap field position tells me he either has no control or he allows them too much free rein.....this is why I call for him to go, its comfortable at WTs for a lot of people.
We play the way we do to accomodate benji, its exciting but also high risk, but I though about 5 weeks ago we would run out of time to see them reach their peak, I had a faint hope maybe we would....but we cant put 2 halves together, MENTALLY IT IS NOT IN THEM....and this again comes down to players being comfortable- too comfortable...we lack discipline, but hey thats the way we play and its great with a full hill on a sunny sunday arvo cause it gets ratings..... :unamused:
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I agree in parts Ink
Still think if Bryce Gibbs is there at the end we probably win
Our defence lost a lot of momentum in the 2nd half
With what you say about the way to play we need to find the right mix in attack and defence
When we play smart everything seems to roll into place but when we get carried away and start going overboard in attack that is when we turnover a lot of ball and we give away easy points
Last night was perfect example Groat tries to throw a miracle ball and we turn the ball over (our first turnover for the night ) and NZ score
How many other top 8 sides when leading 12-0 would do that ??.Answer 0
 
I agree, HT - losing Gibbs was a huge factor in the 2nd half being so sloppy. I also agree with Ink, that we've not seen the boys put 2 excellent halves together. At the game I was talking to a friend and said the last time we really smashed a team was in the doggies semi in 2005\. Since then, we seem to coast as soon as we get in front, and it's disappointing and we've lost quite a few of those 'should have won' games.
The thing that really irritates me is that the nly player who will chase down a kick is Beau! WHY WHY WHY don't they follow a kick and either contest the bloody thing or at the very least put heaps of pressure on the other team trying to catch it? Drives me NUTS!!!
 
Very, very good OP. Like others on here, I also love our team's flamboyance and the way we throw caution to the wind during our games, but knowing when to play like this and when to be a little more conservative is something that our playmakers seem to struggle with quite a lot. If we were 2 points behind with 4 minutes to go the other night, then the last tackle option they took would've been the right thing to do, but we were 2 in front and the **smart (not boring)** thing to do would've been to kick it downfield.

Conservative play, executed at the appropriate time, would not take anything away from our exciting style of football - if anything it would enhance it! Our flamboyance mixed with some smarter options, at crucial times during a game, would ensure many more wins and many more happy fans!! :smiley:
 
Agree Ink, the team is one of most gifted sides in the NRL, but didn't reach their potential because they're also one of the dumbest. At times they've seemed more interested with creating a cool highlights reel than closing a game out. Last night is one game that stands out, another is the Panthers game we won where Benji almost threw an intercept in a 2 point game with 5 to go, INSIDE OUR OWN 10\. The Titans game also is one that comes to mind, trying to be flashy, and inviting a side back into the game. Apart from the Souths game and the game in Canberra, we never put it together for 80, which is a real shame.
 
@Flippedy said:
Very, very good OP. Like others on here, I also love our team's flamboyance and the way we throw caution to the wind during our games, but knowing when to play like this and when to be a little more conservative is something that our playmakers seem to struggle with quite a lot. If we were 2 points behind with 4 minutes to go the other night, then the last tackle option they took would've been the right thing to do, but we were 2 in front and the **smart (not boring)** thing to do would've been to kick it downfield.

Conservative play, executed at the appropriate time, would not take anything away from our exciting style of football - if anything it would enhance it! Our flamboyance mixed with some smarter options, at crucial times during a game, would ensure many more wins and many more happy fans!! :smiley:
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That pretty much sums it up. If we cant learn this then we will never become a dominant team who challenges for minor premiership wins GF's. Difference between this year and 2005, scott prince would have kicked it (and not out on the full).
 
I think we did the right thing taking them on in the final minutes in Fri night. We had to go out in the second half and play football against a side like the warriors, NOT just go into our shell and kick for corners. It may have proved costly, but it was what we has to do, rather than allow them right back into the game by sitting back and playing conservatively. The possession evened out in the second half, they got a fee more penalties, and in the end we simply couldn't contain their momentum. Gibbs was sorely missed, but if we had kicked to the corner on that last tackle, they are just as dangerous from 80 out from the line as they are 40.
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@Suzie-Q said:
I agree, HT - losing Gibbs was a huge factor in the 2nd half being so sloppy. I also agree with Ink, that we've not seen the boys put 2 excellent halves together. At the game I was talking to a friend and said the last time we really smashed a team was in the doggies semi in 2005\. Since then, we seem to coast as soon as we get in front, and it's disappointing and we've lost quite a few of those 'should have won' games.
The thing that really irritates me is that the nly player who will chase down a kick is Beau! WHY WHY WHY don't they follow a kick and either contest the bloody thing or at the very least put heaps of pressure on the other team trying to catch it? Drives me NUTS!!!
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I was about to say we smashed the warriors in 2010 50-6 but, then corrected myself - we did it in one half of football once again.

Doggies 54-2 in 05 is up there probably as the last 80 minute game we played - souths 52-18 in 2006 and 56-20 in 2009 where tui collected a hattrick inside of 25 minutes was also another couple, however you cant call it a 80 minut effort when you let in 18 and 20 points respectively.

but even those games we nodded off for a sec.

We have put more concerted effort into closer victories - e.g

16-6 vs melborune in 2009 where lawrence scored in the last 2 minutes to close it out.

14-12 vs manly and 16-14 vs the dragons both this year were also more concerted 80 minute efforts.

I think with the tweaks we are making to the roster with Blair and the ever hardworking Matthew Bell and Joel Reddy joining our mob, and with players that only turn up when we are winning now leaving the club (Not Bryce Gibbs, before anyone jumps on me) we are building towards becoming a true 80 minute side.

Having said that, we all thought that this year as well - and a disjointed Doggies outfit humbled our lot in round 1….

CARN TIGERS!!! :sign:
 
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