The coach the captain the kicker

[Magpie_Magic]

Things aren't working well enough.
The coach.
Our tactics are way off the mark . Taylor must be accountable. As if we are going to win a grind against Melbourne with our pack without Farah and with our kicking game.
2nd half improved only because they got away from that.
The Captain.
Woods and previously Lawrence aren't working as Captain. In clear in every game we have little authority with referees.
The kicker.
We surety must have the worst goal kicker in the competition. Taylor one thing is sure was a great kicker from dot. But subscribing to a defensive game plan we would surely know we would be involved in a lot of close game and his failure to get the club to buy a decent player who could kick or at leadt provide the training necessary has cost us games this year. Mich has kicked 4 from 11 ladt 2 games. Its amazing we won one..

Only at the WT.
Thoughts?

 

[Tim Sheens]

I had no problem with the tactics, poor execution and handling is another matter.

I would make Brooks the on field captain as that is the domain in which he is comfortable and let the cocaptains deal with the press.

Based on expected improvement the club felt kicking was covered. They were wrong.

 

[stevetiger]

I think we need to get the tactics right prior to worrying about a goal kicker. I think poor game plans have been the biggest issue throughout Taylor's tenure.

 

[Mac_tiger]

Tactics need to be built around completion rate and discipline. Woods is going OK as captain, but i'd like to see him barrel the refs a lot more than he does. Mitch's kicking is poor percentage wise, but i noticed he is keeping his head down longer and striking the ball much crisper - has started shaving and hitting the posts which is a lot more accurate than where he was earlier in the season.

 

[Needaname]

Not to mention it looks like his adapted a routine that he stuck with for every kick that last game. Goal kicking is all about the mechanics of muscle memory, much like hitting a golf ball with a club.
He doesn't have an eradic or jerKY style, his very square, strikes the ball sqaure and does not swing the ball or fade. he uses the same technique whether he is in front or on the sideline. He just needs to work on his angles of attack.
I aplaud JT for persisting with him, it will pay off. Better for him to be working it on it now then to be working on it later in his career. I'm confident he will not be like Benji where every kick was a mystery.

 

[ricksen]

I'm not a JT fan but I cannot agree re: last week. We were let down in the first half by poor handling and individual errors in defence rather than any tactical mis-step. You could argue that the players should be in a better frame of mind, which would be the coach's responsibility, but that's another story.
In the second half we got back into the game as we completed our sets, kicked well, chased said kicks well, and maintained discipline. Once we got down the other end, we were able to play a bit of footy and/or gain repeat sets.
This is pretty much 'the grind' if you ask me. We didn't throw the ball around in our own end and score fluky tries, we earned every point we scored through hard work.

Re the captaincy, it's one thing we as fans can't really accurately comment on tbh, as we have no idea what leadership exists during the week and on gameday. Everyone at the club (and outside) speaks highly of Woods, he's clearly a popular figure amongst his peers and seemed to get the job unanimously, so that's good enough for me.

Goal-kicking is undoubtedly poor. Hopefully Moses improves with time - he's got a pretty good coach. I've noticed his approach appears to be a tad on the rapid side at times. When he slows down and takes his time, he hits them very true, more often than not. Time will tell I guess.
Remember Benji was an awful kicker when he first started, and ended up kicking 70-75%.

 

[cktiger]

I had no problem with the tactics, poor execution and handling is another matter.

**I would make Brooks the on field captain** as that is the domain in which he is comfortable and let the cocaptains deal with the press.

Based on expected improvement the club felt kicking was covered. They were wrong.

How could he be captain ?
He doesn't say boo.

 

[stevetiger]

I'm not a JT fan but I cannot agree re: last week. We were let down in the first half by poor handling and individual errors in defence rather than any tactical mis-step.

ET was played at hooker and he threw some terrible passes. I view that as a tactical mistake.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I had no problem with the tactics, poor execution and handling is another matter.

**I would make Brooks the on field captain** as that is the domain in which he is comfortable and let the cocaptains deal with the press.

Based on expected improvement the club felt kicking was covered. They were wrong.

How could he be captain ?
He doesn't say boo.

Fair enough as he is not a chatterbox like Moses and you don't hear much from him via the media, but he has plenty to say on the field and at training.

 

[LCA]

Longer term (i.e. 2017)= the current coach shouldn't be coach, the current captain shouldn't be captain

Shorter term (i.e. now) = who is a better option?

 

[gallagher]

:exclamation:

I'm not a JT fan but I cannot agree re: last week. We were let down in the first half by poor handling and individual errors in defence rather than any tactical mis-step.

ET was played at hooker and he threw some terrible passes. I view that as a tactical mistake.

Lots of players get into dummy half during a game. The hooker can't be there everytime.
It's not like ET has never done it before.
A professional footballer should be able to pass the ball or choose to hold it.

 

[hugh1954]

At a press conference Taylor said both Rankin and Moses are now practicing goal kicking on a regular basis now so we should see improvement, cant believe that we didn't have plans before the beginning of the season to have several players spending plenty of time working on a major part in winning games

 

[stevetiger]

:exclamation:

I'm not a JT fan but I cannot agree re: last week. We were let down in the first half by poor handling and individual errors in defence rather than any tactical mis-step.

ET was played at hooker and he threw some terrible passes. I view that as a tactical mistake.

Lots of players get into dummy half during a game. The hooker can't be there everytime.
It's not like ET has never done it before.
A professional footballer should be able to pass the ball or choose to hold it.

It was a bad decision that was made from the coach. I think with hindsight that is pretty clear. I also think it was clear prior to the game being played.

 

[Nelson]

I find it strange that people place so much stock in the ability of the captain to argue with the referees. I doubt it makes any real difference, refs will call things as they seem them. Who do people think is actually good at it and successful at changing calls by refs? Cameron Smith gets away with blue murder personally but Melbourne get their fair share of raw deals. Same with the Cowboys (particularly in finals).

I'd be picking a captain based on their ability to motivate and lead the team both on and off the field. If they can do that well then I couldn't care less if they never said a word to the referees.

 

[Geo]

:exclamation:

I'm not a JT fan but I cannot agree re: last week. We were let down in the first half by poor handling and individual errors in defence rather than any tactical mis-step.

ET was played at hooker and he threw some terrible passes. I view that as a tactical mistake.

Lots of players get into dummy half during a game. The hooker can't be there everytime.
It's not like ET has never done it before.
A professional footballer should be able to pass the ball or choose to hold it.

Not when the Coach has a 2yo strap attached to his back tugging on it…

 

[gallagher]

:exclamation:

I'm not a JT fan but I cannot agree re: last week. We were let down in the first half by poor handling and individual errors in defence rather than any tactical mis-step.

ET was played at hooker and he threw some terrible passes. I view that as a tactical mistake.

Lots of players get into dummy half during a game. The hooker can't be there everytime.
It's not like ET has never done it before.
A professional footballer should be able to pass the ball or choose to hold it.

It was a bad decision that was made from the coach. I think with hindsight that is pretty clear. I also think it was clear prior to the game being played.

Maybe so. But he could make those passes while playing lock.
Would people be so forgiving of the player if it was Halatua who threw them?

 

[Nors05]

I think that one of our halves need to move to another club and we bring in a more experienced half who can kick goals. I'm a huge fan of both Brooks and Moses but I'm still not convinced that keeping both of them as our long terms halves is a good option, they are both just too raw.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I find it strange that people place so much stock in the ability of the captain to argue with the referees. I doubt it makes any real difference, refs will call things as they seem them. Who do people think is actually good at it and successful at changing calls by refs? Cameron Smith gets away with blue murder personally but Melbourne get their fair share of raw deals. Same with the Cowboys (particularly in finals).

I'd be picking a captain based on their ability to motivate and lead the team both on and off the field. If they can do that well then I couldn't care less if they never said a word to the referees.

Melbourne and Nth Qld get raw deals after they get em to the finals at the expense of expendable teams like ours.

After that forward pass try i didn't see us saying much the players seemed rther accepting. If they got in the refs ear after they would have seen the replay it just makes em more careful next time.

 

[stevetiger]

:exclamation:

ET was played at hooker and he threw some terrible passes. I view that as a tactical mistake.

Lots of players get into dummy half during a game. The hooker can't be there everytime.
It's not like ET has never done it before.
A professional footballer should be able to pass the ball or choose to hold it.

It was a bad decision that was made from the coach. I think with hindsight that is pretty clear. I also think it was clear prior to the game being played.

Maybe so. But he could make those passes while playing lock.
Would people be so forgiving of the player if it was Halatua who threw them?

Probably not. Can you imagine if it was Robbie.

Anyway the point is that JT had a plan to play more forwards by playing ET at dummy half and it was a poor decision.

 

[gallagher]

:exclamation:
Lots of players get into dummy half during a game. The hooker can't be there everytime.
It's not like ET has never done it before.
A professional footballer should be able to pass the ball or choose to hold it.

It was a bad decision that was made from the coach. I think with hindsight that is pretty clear. I also think it was clear prior to the game being played.

Maybe so. But he could make those passes while playing lock.
Would people be so forgiving of the player if it was Halatua who threw them?

Probably not. Can you imagine if it was Robbie.

Anyway the point is that JT had a plan to play more forwards by playing ET at dummy half and it was a poor decision.

I would have been right up Farah if it was him. Lol
Poor decision from JT tho, agreed.